Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

[Strong in Him]

As I've said before the Bible is vague.

It is not vague at all.
It tells us all that GOD wants us to know about himself, our sin, Jesus, what he has done to save us, how we can have eternal life, be filled with his Spirit and serve him with the gifts that he has given.

The shape of the earth has nothing at all to do with that.
God won't love you more if you believe in a globe earth and it turns out that it is indeed a globe - and he won't love you less if you tell everyone that the earth is flat and it turns out you are wrong. The devil doesn't deceive anyone about the shape of the earth - even he is not stupid enough to think that it matters or can keep people from God.

 

[Piers Plowman]

@Strong in Him Quick sanity check: for the purposes of this thread, are we agreeing to conflate geocentrism with geoplanism? Because many ancient geocentrists assumed spherical earth.

 

[Strong in Him]

@Strong in Him Quick sanity check: for the purposes of this thread, are we agreeing to conflate geocentrism with geoplanism? Because many ancient geocentrists assumed spherical earth.

I've no idea what geoplanism is.

My points are:
i) that the Bible doesn't talk about the shape, or position, of the earth because that is not its purpose.
ii) if Moses, the prophets, the Apostles and early church had tried to issue a scientific statement about these things, they would have been limited to the knowledge they had. No one said, "in 1500 years someone will discover that the sun is at the centre of the solar system"; in 1000+ years someone will invent a powerful telescope". Or in the future people will be able to fly off into the sky in metal tubes, make new discoveries and take photos."

Their overwhelmingly powerful, life-changing news was that mankind had been separated from God but in Jesus were reconciled. That Jesus of Nazareth - crucified by pagans as a criminal - was not only the Messiah but was alive again.
THAT was the purpose of their life and their writing. It's possible that they had private views on other matters also, but they weren't important. If you really believe that Jesus is returning to earth in your lifetime - which they did, that the unsaved were going to hell and that the world would come to an end; who cares what shape that world might be?

 

[Piers Plowman]

geoplanism is a word I just invented to give a fancy latin term for 'flat-earth'ism.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Tycho Brahe - Wikipedia

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Tychonic system - Wikipedia

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"Although Tycho admired Copernicus and was the first to teach his theory in Denmark, he was unable to reconcile Copernican theory with the basic laws of Aristotelian physics, which he believed to be foundational. He was critical of the observational data that Copernicus built his theory on, which he correctly considered to be inaccurate. Instead, Tycho proposed a "geo-heliocentric" system in which the Sun and Moon orbited the Earth, while the other planets orbited the Sun. His system had many of the observational and computational advantages of Copernicus' system. It provided a safe position for those astronomers who were dissatisfied with older models, but reluctant to accept heliocentrism."

 

[Piers Plowman]

this Tycho sounds like a pretty smart dude

 

[Piers Plowman]

"At an engagement party at the home of Professor Lucas Bachmeister on 10 December the two had drunkenly quarreled over who was the superior mathematician. On 29 December, the cousins resolved their feud with a duel in the dark. Though the two were later reconciled, in the duel Tycho lost the bridge of his nose and gained a broad scar across his forehead."

...Then again, maybe not.

 

[Apple Sky]

The devil doesn't deceive anyone about the shape of the earth -

Your right, it's Lucifer the god of the 33% Freemasons.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Your right, it's Lucifer the god of the 33% Freemasons.

Okay, I'll bite... pray tell me, what of the rest, the 66% of the freemasons?

 

[Apple Sky]

No one said, "in 1500 years someone will discover that the sun is at the centre of the solar system"; in 1000+ years someone will invent a powerful telescope". Or in the future people will be able to fly off into the sky in metal tubes, make new discoveries and take photos."

You do realize that God knows the future, what has been, what is now & what will be.

100 Bible Verses about Science​

What Does the Bible Say About Science?

Bible verses about Science

www.openbible.info

 

[Apple Sky]

@Jude1:3Contendforthefaith I found this quote quite interesting & so true;

1 Esdras 4:34 – “The earth is vast, and heaven is high, and the sun is swift in its course, for it makes the circuit of the heavens and returns to its place in one day.”

 

[Strong in Him]

You do realize that God knows the future, what has been, what is now & what will be.

Of course I do. But he didn't tell people to write it in his word.
The Bible doesn't teach science.

 

[Strong in Him]

Your right, it's Lucifer the god of the 33% Freemasons.

Lucifer is the devil.

I don't know why you quote the Freemasons when it suits you to do so, but the rest of the time, treat them as though they're Satanic and therefore must be wrong about everything.

 

[Apple Sky]

I don't know why you quote the Freemasons when it suits you to do so, but the rest of the time, treat them as though they're Satanic

Because this is exactly what they are, especially the 33 degree masons.
Research Albert Pike.

Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (1871), which has become one of the most famous and notorious books about Masonry ever published, not least because of its references to Lucifer and Baphomet

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course I do. But he didn't tell people to write it in his word.
The Bible doesn't teach science.

What Does the Bible Say About Science?

Bible verses about Science

www.openbible.info

 

[Strong in Him]

Because this is exactly what they are, especially the 33 degree masons.
Research Albert Pike.

Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (1871), which has become one of the most famous and notorious books about Masonry ever published, not least because of its references to Lucifer and Baphomet

Yes, I know.
My point was that you quote them when it suits you.

And you have called the Christian astronauts who walked on the moon, Freemasons. I wouldn't be too quick to say that something that is of God is from the devil, if I were you.

 

[Strong in Him]

What Does the Bible Say About Science?

Bible verses about Science

www.openbible.info

I don't care how many times words are "mentioned" in the Bible.
The Bible does not teach science.

 

[Apple Sky]

And you have called the Christian astronauts who walked on the moon, Freemasons. I wouldn't be too quick to say that something that is of God is from the devil, if I were you.

 

[Apple Sky]

I don't care how many times words are "mentioned" in the Bible.
The Bible does not teach science.

Why are you so insistence that it doesn't, when it does.

 

[prodromos]

Why are you so insistence that it doesn't, when it does.

Give examples of where you believe it does (and quote the text of those verses, don't just refer to the verse references)