UFO's - Biblical?

[Sel@h]

I wonder what Ezekiel saw. Sort of sounds like some kind of “flying saucer” to me.

Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves' feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward. As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went. As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning. And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning. Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. The appearance of the wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel. When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

- Ezekiel 1:4-19 (NKJV)

 

[AlexB23]

The "real" men in black were a thing way before that movie came out.

Men in black - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Wow, I did not know this. I guess we can say the real Men In Black was a prequel to the movies.

 

[timewerx]

The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?

Ezekiel had a vision of flying things he could not name and simply referred to them as "living creatures".

Using modern terminology, Ezekiel saw Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) in his visions and they were worshiping the Lord.

Moses' interactions with God were sometimes physical / material and also involving flying objects that would likely been referred to as UFOs if seen today.

For some weird reasons, many of the centuries-old painting of New Testament scenes in the Bible had UFOs in it.

Most accounts in the Bible were associated with God although I believe they can be aligned with evil entities too.

My dreams of the divine often involved UFOs in massive sizes or massive numbers. They hid themselves in the clouds but when they opened up, it looked as if the sky is opening up. They glow like fireballs in the sky. They're vast in numbers and put up a very intimidating spectacle.

 

[Servus]

Wow, I did not know this. I guess we can say the real Men In Black was a prequel to the movies.

I read something creepy about them a long time ago. That they either wear makeup (like actor's make up) or ware masks because they aren't really human.

 

[AlexB23]

I read something creepy about them a long time ago. That they either wear makeup (like actor's make up) or ware masks because they aren't really human.

Interesting stuff. No one has captured a Man In Black though, so we would never know. For all we know, it could be the government trying to prank us by hiring actors, or create a distraction from more pressing issues in society.

 

[Diamond72]

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if there is life on other planets. Maybe even similar to life on Earth.

Evo devo says the laws of physics are the same so life is going to be the same anywhere in the universe.

 

[Niels]

Evo devo says the laws of physics are the same so life is going to be the same anywhere in the universe.

What do you mean by the same? As in other humans, or more generally carbon-based life forms? I'd imagine that life on other planets might be similar to ours, especially if their planetary properties are comparable, but even life on Earth can be pretty diverse.

 

[Diamond72]

What do you mean by the same?

The atheists say if we went back to the beginning that everything would turn out different. As Christians we know that God declares the end from the beginning. Yes we are carbon based but my son did work in a factory that is making silicone carbon resisters.

 

[LW97Nils]

I believe UFO's are demonic forces at work.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

If good angels can appear as humans, then fallen angels can as well.

UFO's and Men In Black ... ya ... I believe they are real.

AMEN

 

[trophy33]

Evo devo says the laws of physics are the same so life is going to be the same anywhere in the universe.

The laws of physics may be the same, but conditions can be wildly diverse. Different gravity, different temperature, different planetary cycles, different atmosphere etc.

As even our own planet can produce such diverse life like insects vs fish vs mammals vs dinosaurs vs bacteria vs fungi, a totally different planet can go even further.

 

[Diamond72]

The laws of physics may be the same, but conditions can be wildly diverse. Different gravity, different temperature, different planetary cycles, different atmosphere etc.

Temperature and gravity is a constant.

Gravity is much stronger near massive objects like stars, planets, and black holes compared to the vast empty regions of space. This variation is due to the differences in mass and distance, not because the gravitational constant itself changes3

Energy and mass remain a constant E = MC2 or M=E/C2

The speed of light can vary when it travels through different media, such as water or glass, where it slows down due to interactions with the material. But in a vacuum, it remains constant and unchanging. Sunrise and sunset is actually delayed because of this.

The effect of the atmosphere on light, known as atmospheric refraction, causes the sunrise to appear about 2 minutes earlier and the sunset to appear about 2 minutes later than they actually occur12. This happens because the Earth’s atmosphere bends the light from the sun, making it visible even when it is below the horizon.

 

[trophy33]

Temperature and gravity is a constant.

Nope, different planets can have different ones and lead to different life forms.

 

[Diamond72]

Nope, different planets can have different ones and lead to different life forms.

Temperature and gravity is a constant. Everywhere in the universe.

 

[trophy33]

Temperature and gravity is a constant. Everywhere in the universe.

Different planets can have different temperatures and different gravity.

The temperature and gravity on Mars are different from the Earth's ones, for example.

 

[Diamond72]

The temperature and gravity on Mars are different from the Earth's ones, for example.

The principle of conservation of energy and mass, is a fundamental concept in physics. This principle states that the total amount of energy and mass in an isolated system remains constant over time.

In classical physics, this is often expressed as the law of conservation of energy, which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed from one form to another. Similarly, the law of conservation of mass states that mass cannot be created or destroyed in a chemical reaction.

In the realm of modern physics, particularly with Einstein’s theory of relativity, energy and mass are seen as interchangeable, encapsulated in the famous equation (E = mc^2). This means that the total amount of mass and energy in a closed system remains constant, even though they can be converted into each other.

Let me give you an example. The average tempetuere in my state is 61 degrees, The average low is 27 and the average high is 73. This is a constant and does not change. Because the low and high are a constant then the average remains a constant.

 

[Diamond72]

Temperature and gravity is a constant. Everywhere in the universe.

The butterfly effect and the conservation of energy and mass are concepts from different areas of science, but they can be connected in interesting ways.

The butterfly effect is a concept from chaos theory, introduced by meteorologist Edward Lorenz. It suggests that small changes in initial conditions can lead to vastly different outcomes in complex systems, like weather patterns1. The name comes from the idea that the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil could set off a tornado in Texas.

On the other hand, the conservation of energy and mass is a fundamental principle in physics stating that the total amount of energy and mass in an isolated system remains constant over time. This principle is crucial in understanding how energy and matter interact and transform but are never lost or created out of nothing23.

While the butterfly effect deals with the sensitivity of systems to initial conditions, the conservation laws ensure that the total energy and mass in a system are conserved, even as they change forms. In a chaotic system, like the weather, the energy and mass are conserved, but their distribution and the system’s state can change dramatically due to small perturbations, illustrating the butterfly effect.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?

The Bible doesn't teach that there are etia's (extra terrestrial intelligent aliens) that could come from other planets, galaxies etc. God is here. His focus is human life on planet earth. Life cannot exist on other planets without God actively being there.
Only evolution allows for intelligent life on earth and on other planets occurring without the need of a Creator creating them. The stuff of Sci-fi shows and movies.

For years our government and only our government has played hide and seek concerning the notion that et's arrived, crashed and were dragged away somewhere to examine the remains.
Only recently have they 'revealed' the existence of ufo's flying around some military airplanes. Their proof is so grainy and pixelated that their proof cannot be verified. Their lack of concern compared to their concern of a balloon from China floating over some states of America.. indicates that their reveal of et's is false.
When they stop playing around and produce an aircraft that can actually move like their grainy pixelations depict, it will then be the result of military human built aircraft by progressive technology.

But in some verses of the Bible it describes flying objects. There's one described in Ezek 1. God's vehicle powered by a wheel within a wheel, piloted by angels. It quickly changes direction without turning but always going straight. This is what ufo's have been reported of doing. They are a distortion copy of the original.

There's no evidence that the Ezk1 vehicle is of a natural material but neither is there evidence of ufo space-ships being of natural material.

In (1917) it was reported that there appeared the lady of Fatima, the virgin Mary to Catholics in an open field and talk to some children. What did the many see when they went to the field? Was it mass halucination? Did they see an apparition that they were told was the virgin Mary?

What did the military showing grainy pixelations want people to believe?

The phrase "Make of it what you will." is applied by many people without thinking things through.

 

[Panthers]

The bible doesn't teach that there are UFO's (material flying objects). It also does not teach demons can manifest themselves as material objects.

What do you think was hovering above the waters in Genesis 1:2?

Some people say ... and even some in government and/or the military say they have seen them and/or actually have physical evidence of such.

As a Christian ...

What do you believe about the existence of UFO's and why?

If you believe UFO's (material spaceships) is true .... how do you reconcile that with scripture?

What do you believe in this regard?

There are 2 versions of humanoids. Genesis 1:26
We are organic versions; "they" are inorganic (Robots/Ancient AI)

Christ had 2 bodies. Earthly body and Heavenly Body. Luke 24:39
One was organic, and one was inorganic and attached to a UFO.

 

[Diamond72]

The Bible doesn't teach that there are etia's (extra terrestrial intelligent aliens) that could come from other planets, galaxies etc.

I believe there is life on other planets in the universe. But as we see in the moving Contact with Jodi Foster the only way to travel from here to there or there to here is through worm holes. The angels watch over the worm holes and they decide who who can travel through them. Just like Jesus is the door or the gate keeper.

Aliens would not be allowed to interfere with life here on Earth.

 

[Diamond72]

Christ had 2 bodies. Earthly body and Heavenly Body. Luke 24:39

How could He take His earthly body to Heaven?