Jer 31:31-34

[HIM]

I asked more than once for you to name the law James is only quoting from

And you were told more than once, the book of the law. Which is where you will find, we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And you were told more than once, the book of the law. Which is where you will find, we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

Not the question asked, but that's okay. Take care.

 

[HIM]

God separated His law from the others- you will have to take this up with Him.

His law is found in the book of the law

Not the question asked, but that's okay. Take care.

Yes, it is. The Royal law of love for God and our neighbor is found in the book of the law. As are the dietary laws and other laws, like not laying with beast are also found in the book of the law. As well as the 10 Commandments.

 

[daq]

The Law of Liberty is the engrafted word in our heart

That which proceeds out of the mouth comes forth from the heart, (Mat 15:18), and the words of the man reveal whether the man has the Word engrafted into his heart or whether he speaks with the mouth of a lion boasting great things, (Dan 4:16, Dan 7:4, Rev 13:2, Rev 13:5-6).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

His law is found in the book of the law

Yes, it is. The Royal law of love for God and our neighbor is found in the book of the law. As are the dietary laws and other laws, like not laying with beast are also found in the book of the law. As well as the 10 Commandments.

But that's not the argument we have been discussing. We already established the greatest commandments/Royal law is written in the book of the law but the Royal law is not the book of the law. The question was asked which law James is only quoting and contrasting from in regards to the Law of Liberty.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

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Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 20 - New King James Version

The Ten Commandments - And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. “You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above...

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The book of the law was beside the ark Deut 31:24-26 handwritten by Moses. The Ten Commandments is what is inside the ark Exo 40:20 written by the finger of God. These are not the same laws.

Exo 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

God's law the Ten Commandments was written by God alone

Exo 32:16 16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God and no more was added Deut 5:22

Inside the ark- compared to the book that was placed outside.
Exo 25:16 And you shall put into the ark the Testimony which I will give you.
Exo 40:20 20 He took the Testimony and put it into the ark, inserted the poles through the rings of the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.

We should easily see these laws are not all the same. The scripture will quote the law its referring to if one allows. The law that is perfect for converting the soul never turns into the law that is contrary and against.


The earthy temple always pointed to God's heavenly Temple Heb 8:1-5 where the ark of the covenant is Rev 11:19 under God's mercy seat what all man will be judged by James 2:10-12 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14

 

[HIM]

Not sure what's going on with you and why this need to attack those who don't agree with you, but I'll keep you in my prayers. Its probably best for me to walk away from this discussion, but I wish you well.

What? Attack. you? You said

Or perhaps its not James or Ellen that is wrong...

Which implies I was saying James who was inspired to write the letter was wrong. When in fact we said nothing of the sort. We said

Then Ellen and you are wrong.

There are many different laws and they don't all mean the same, serve the same purpose or were given at the same time. God separated His law from the others-

His laws are throughout the Holy Writ. The royal law of love is not IN the Ten. The law that states that we are not to treat people different due to their position is not in the ten. The law pertaining to not eating unclean things is not of the Ten. Being a vegetarian is not in the Ten. The Law pertaining to not laying with beasts is not of the Ten. And there are many more that are of His Spirit, His Word which are not in the Ten.

Yet you say it is only the Ten that is in our heart. But God had said He will give us His Spirit. That He placed His Word in our hearts. That He placed the Law in our hearts not just the Ten.

you will have to take this up with Him.

You should stop saying that too. Unless you like reading things like it being said to you.

 

[HIM]

That which proceeds out of the mouth comes forth from the heart, (Mat 15:18), and the words of the man reveal whether the man has the Word engrafted into his heart or whether he speaks with the mouth of a lion boasting great things, (Dan 4:16, Dan 7:4, Rev 13:2, Rev 13:5-6).

Yes even beyond what is written. God leadeth where He may

 

[HIM]

Thats exactly what I wrote. The Decalogue is the Ten Commandments/ Law of Liberty or the greatest commandments/Royal law summarized. Rom 13:9 I’m not sure why you would try to create division between me and my church, when there is none there. Not sure what you’re trying to prove or why you are choosing to take this route, but its not the Him I have grown to love and respect in the past

Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized. I am surprised to have to tell you that. Royal Law is stated as Love for God and Man. The Ten can be summed in it yet the Ten do not sum up the love. All the Word through His Spirit does.

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized. I am surprised to have to tell you that. Royal Law is stated as Love for God and Man. The Ten can be summed in it yet the Ten do not sum up the love. All the Word through His Spirit does.

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe.

Wow. Sorry you do not see the Ten as love- love to God - love to man. I have never heard where the summary deletes the details. We are so far apart from our understanding, no point in continuing.

Take care Him.

 

[HIM]

Wow. Sorry you do not see the Ten as love- love to God - love to man.

Wow there you go again saying I said more than what was said. And yet you don’t even know or you do and you are willing doing it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Wow there you go again saying I said more than what was said. And yet you don’t even know or you do and you are willing doing it.

HIM said:
The Royal law is definitely not the Ten Commandments according to the context of the passage in James 2. It is Love.

No other way to take this as the Ten Commandments are not love.

HIM said:
The Ten can be summed in it yet the Ten do not sum up the love

If you think the Ten are love to God and love to man, good to hear. I was worried

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized

SabbathBlessings said:

So through scripture we know the Royal law and the Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments-

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe.

I'll keep you in my prayers.

 

[HIM]

SabbathBlessings said:


I'll keep you in my prayers.

By all means please do. But please know that this post you posted does not represent the conversation at all. You displayed it like this

Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized

SabbathBlessings said:

So through scripture we know the Royal law and the Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments-

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe.

SabbathBlessings Said, "I'll keep you in my prayers."


When in reality it went like this:

Thats exactly what I wrote. The Decalogue is the Ten Commandments/ Law of Liberty or the greatest commandments/Royal law summarized. Rom 13:9 I’m not sure why you would try to create division between me and my church, when there is none there. Not sure what you’re trying to prove or why you are choosing to take this route, but its not the Him I have grown to love and respect in the past

Him said. "Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized. I am surprised to have to tell you that. Royal Law is stated as Love for God and Man. The Ten can be summed in it yet the Ten do not sum up the love. All the Word through His Spirit does.

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe."


On the offset chance you misunderstood again and are not misrepresenting what is said. The first paragraph addresses your first sentence. And the second sentence your last two. You should have realized this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

By all means please do. But please know that this post you posted does not represent the conversation at all. You displayed it like this

SabbathBlessings said:


SabbathBlessings Said, "I'll keep you in my prayers."


When in reality it went like this:

Him said. "Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized. I am surprised to have to tell you that. Royal Law is stated as Love for God and Man. The Ten can be summed in it yet the Ten do not sum up the love. All the Word through His Spirit does.

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe."


On the offset chance you misunderstood again and are not misrepresenting what is said. The first paragraph addresses your first sentence. And the second sentence your last two. You should have realized this.

If the greatest commandments (Royal Law James 2:8) are the Ten Commandments summarized Rom 13:9, is saying the greatest commandments/Royal Law ARE the Ten Commandments (details how to love God with all our heart , soul might and how to love man) because the summary does not delete the details.

Sorry you don't seem to understand this. Not something I am going to continue debating further.

When God's Word tells us what the details are, sadly most people want to fill in their own blanks instead of trusting Gods Word. Love to God and to man do not go undefined. 1 John 5:2-3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6, the whole scriptures hang on these two principles- how to love God how to love man, never deleting the details written by the finger of God. God's perfect law Psa 19:7. The bible revolves around God, nothing can be exalted above Him, including His works Exo 32:16

The Ten Commandments are on an entirely different foundation I agree with John Wesley on this

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

 

[HIM]

If the greatest commandments (Royal Law James 2:8) are the Ten Commandments summarized Rom 13:9, it is saying the greatest commandments/Royal Law ARE the Ten Commandments (details how to love God with all our heart , soul might and how to love man) because the summary does not delete the details.

THe post you responded to doesn't address that issue. Here it is again please address the post

SabbathBlessings said:


I'll keep you in my prayers.

By all means please do. But please know that this post you posted does not represent the conversation at all. You displayed it like this

Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized

SabbathBlessings said:

So through scripture we know the Royal law and the Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments-

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe.

SabbathBlessings Said, "I'll keep you in my prayers."


When in reality it went like this:

Thats exactly what I wrote. The Decalogue is the Ten Commandments/ Law of Liberty or the greatest commandments/Royal law summarized. Rom 13:9 I’m not sure why you would try to create division between me and my church, when there is none there. Not sure what you’re trying to prove or why you are choosing to take this route, but its not the Him I have grown to love and respect in the past

Him said. "Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized. I am surprised to have to tell you that. Royal Law is stated as Love for God and Man. The Ten can be summed in it yet the Ten do not sum up the love. All the Word through His Spirit does.

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe."


On the offset chance you misunderstood again and are not misrepresenting what is said. The first paragraph addresses your first sentence. And the second sentence your last two. You should have realized this.

Sorry you don't seem to understand this. Not something I am going to continue debating furtherWhen God's Word tells us what the details are, sadly most people want to fill in their own blanks instead of trusting Gods Word.

That is nothing but a Baiting comment that does nothing but fish out other baiting comments and insults from the recipients.

Love to God and to man do not go undefined. 1 John 5:2-3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6, the whole scriptures hang on these two principles- how to love God how to love man, never deleting the details written by the finger of God. God's perfect law Psa 19:7

It is not confined to Ten but by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It is not confined to Ten but by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God.

Sorry my friend I don't think you understand the reach of the Ten Commandments. - nothing that proceeds out of the mouth of God goes against these two principles how to love God, how to love man, never deleting the details written and spoken personally by God..

Can you please explain how if one is keeping the very first commandment of the Ten, that they would be violating any other requirement that God has for His people

 

[HIM]

Sorry my friend I don't think you understand

Below is what we are addressing. This is where we are at until it is addressed.

SabbathBlessings said:


I'll keep you in my prayers.

By all means please do. But please know that this post you posted does not represent the conversation at all. You displayed it like this

Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized

SabbathBlessings said:

So through scripture we know the Royal law and the Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments-

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe.

SabbathBlessings Said, "I'll keep you in my prayers."


When in reality it went like this:

Thats exactly what I wrote. The Decalogue is the Ten Commandments/ Law of Liberty or the greatest commandments/Royal law summarized. Rom 13:9 I’m not sure why you would try to create division between me and my church, when there is none there. Not sure what you’re trying to prove or why you are choosing to take this route, but its not the Him I have grown to love and respect in the past
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Him said. "Summarized and is are two different things. She says is, you say summarized. I am surprised to have to tell you that. Royal Law is stated as Love for God and Man. The Ten can be summed in it yet the Ten do not sum up the love. All the Word through His Spirit does.

And it is not about what you say is your church and causing division. It is about you and I and the errors you believe."


On the offset chance you misunderstood again and are not misrepresenting what is said. The first paragraph addresses your first sentence. And the second sentence your last two. You should have realized this.

As an edit we will post this @SabbathBlessings
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The scriptures show what the greatest commandments are the Ten summarized Rom 13:9 which commandments are only being quoted from? Lets be honest here. The summary never deletes the details. If the summary does not delete the details (i.e. to love man means not to commit murder or have anger in our heart, or covet, or lie to etc.) which means the greatest commandments/Royal law James 2:8 are the Ten Commandments. This should be simple to follow.

Jesus used the Ten Commandments (commandment of God) and the Word of God interchangeable


Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—[d]the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’ (only found in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) ; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Because all of God's Word hangs on the principles of the Ten Commandments - the Royal Law and perfect Law of Liberty to love God with all our heart and to love man.

Happy Sabbath!

 

[Leaf473]

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:15 - New Life Version

But if you hurt and make it hard for each other, watch out or you may be destroyed by each other.

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[DamianWarS]

which means the greatest commandments/Royal law James 2:8 are the Ten Commandments. This should be simple to follow.

Jesus was asked what is the greatest commandments. His reply directly quotes from the Torah but outside of the 10. All the law and the prophets hang upon these commandments, so it is not just the privilege of the 10 that use these as constructs but the entire canon of Jewish scripture. You seem only use to use Paul's words in Rom 13:9 that says "sum" but refuse to reconcile it with Christ's words. What is it I see constantly in these threads? That Paul's words are hard to understand so we shouldn't rely on them. Well I'm not saying that, but since Paul agrees with Christ it is Christ that defines Paul's words, not Paul that defined Christ's words.

We shouldn't be using this to separate the 10 either. James 2:8 doesn't single out the 10, nor does it say the 10 are the base. You have got things backwards, the construct is not the 10, the construct is the royal law. If it were a pyramid the royal law is at the top, the 10 are below, along with other laws. James 2:9 tells us "if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers". Do you not see that by elevating the 10 in the way you are showing favoritism to a group of laws and as a consequence are guilty of the ones you reject thus are guilty of the whole thing?

James point blank says to keep the royal law by loving each other and you've edited it and say what he actually meant to say was keep the 10. He would have said that if that's what he wanted. Value the words on the page not the reading you wish it would say.