With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

[BNR32FAN]

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

You begin to get the sense of the wording -- that any amount of time is for God any other amount of time He chooses.

So, a billion years are like an hour. Or a second is like a million years....
If He chooses....

But it does help suggest something profound about His words when He says "day"......

Such as:

"but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Of course Adam lived ~930 years....

But 900 years is like a day to God....

Or a 33 year human lifetime is a 'day' also:

14 “The day will come, says the LORD, when I will do for Israel and Judah all the good things I have promised them. 15 “In those days and at that time I will raise up a righteous descendant from King David's line. He will do what is just and right throughout the land."


Genesis chapter 1 says nothing at all about how much mere mortal time passed, because that would be a triviality really.... The scripture is far more profound than merely listing a mere duration of years as its main theme. We should not be surprised that scripture never gives any age for the Earth, not even suggested in any verse.

Anywhere.

We also have nothing at all in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 about how much mortal time passed in the outside world -- outside the Garden on Earth -- while Adam and Eve dwelled in the paradise of the Garden of Eden where the Eternal One Himself walked in the Garden....and where He put the eternal Tree of Life -- the same tree that will be in heaven we read in the last chapter of the bible:

Eden Restored​

22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.
-- Revelation 22, the last chapter in the Bible.

From the Garden to the end of time (literally, where time will be no more, as we will leave this mortal life) -- the Alpha and the Omega.....

How long is a 'day' in heaven then?

The Earth is a mere 4.55 billion years old in mere mortal time, which is passing away, and will cease to exist.....

It's a time duration that means little or nothing really..,..

It's God's time that matters, not ours. And His time is eternity....

This is not true at all, you have to examine the usage of the word not just the word itself. Even today we use the word day the same way. We might say “back in the day” or “back in my day” or “back in my father’s day” but we would never say “on the 4th day” or “in 6 days” when referring to a period of time other than a 24 hour period. You wouldn’t conclude that using the word day as in the 4th day or in 6 days would refer to a period of time other than 24 hours just because we use terms like back in the day or in my father’s day. When you apply a number value to the word day like that it defines the meaning that is intended.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Let's look at New Testament references to the events in Genesis. Let's see what Jesus and the apostles said about Adam & Eve as well as the Great Flood.

Mark 10:5-9

Luke 17:26-27

Romans 5:12-19

Romans 8:19-22

1 Corinthians 15:20-24

Hebrews 11:7

1 Peter 3:18-22

2 Peter 3:4-8

Luke 3:23-38

Jesus's genealogy is literally traced in the Gospel of Luke all the way back to Adam.

After reading those Scriptures, does the New Testament teach in a literal interpretation of Genesis chapters 1-9? Does the New Testament teach young earth creationism? Without any doubts at all, I know that the answer to both those questions is, "Yes."

I agree because if you create a 4.5 billion year timeline and place a dot at the creation of Adam and the flood that dot is going to be at the very tip of the end on the timeline, nowhere near the beginning.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

A simple statement of fact when Noah stepped of the ark the onlything missing was ,man in the image of God so God began a new creation the end result would be man in his image that man would be Jesus Christ.
This creation would take 6 days each day 1000 years long we are now coming to the end of the 6th day.
The 7th day is Christs millennial reign and the Fathers sabbath rest which we can enter into.

Love and peace
Dave

Noah and his two sons were man in the image of God so I don’t know where you got the idea that this was missing.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi so the first man in his image that God created after the flood was Israel this was man in the image of God in the flesh the man of flesh cannot enter the kingdom of God he must be changed into a spiritual being.
The physical man must die and be reborn a spiritual being only then can he enter the body of Christ this happens through baptism of the Holy Spirit our body of flesh dies and we are reborn as a spiritual being and enter the body of Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

“Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

God said this to Noah after the flood. The image of God does not mean perfection.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi Ace777 thank you for your reply the question remains was the first and last Adam created in the same way

The second Adam, Christ was never created.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Was and still is when you consider that Paul says the gentiles are wild branches grafted into the tree. Gentiles are not "Jewish" they are not descended from Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. The law requires two witnesses and God has two witness in the earth. The Hebrew people and the Church. Both inherit the promises of Abraham.

13I am speaking to you Gentiles. ... ROMANS 11

17Now if some branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others to share in the nourishment of the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, remember this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly notg spare you either.

Gentiles are not descendants of Adam? Everyone is a descendant of Adam and a descendant of Noah.

 

[Halbhh]

This is not true at all, you have to examine the usage of the word not just the word itself. Even today we use the word day the same way. We might say “back in the day” or “back in my day” or “back in my father’s day” but we would never say “on the 4th day” or “in 6 days” when referring to a period of time other than a 24 hour period. You wouldn’t conclude that using the word day as in the 4th day or in 6 days would refer to a period of time other than 24 hours just because we use terms like back in the day or in my father’s day. When you apply a number value to the word day like that it defines the meaning that is intended.

I keep wondering why you respond to something I didn't say as if I said it, and then don't respond to what I did say.

I never said nor suggested there are not 6 days in Genesis chapter 1 nor did I anywhere say that I think these are not 24 hour days -- in fact, I said many times I think they are, and to you also, directly....

And this is a real problem though -- you appear to me to be pretending I said things I did not say, as if you are intentionally trying to decieve people about what I said.

When you post as if I'd said these days are not 24 hour days, even though I stated many times (and to you also) in the past (months and years ago now) that I personally think these 6 days are real Earth days, 24 hour days.....

Is this because you can't remember I repeatedly said that already, and even directly to you yourself?

If you cannot remember that, it's not a sin. But if that's the case, you should say so though -- and let me know -- so that I won't experience you as intentionally misrepresenting my posts.

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As I've repeatedly posted here to you and another Seventh Day Adventist here in this subforum, I personally think these are "actual days" -- 24 hour days -- and that perhaps they are widely spaced apart from each other in time, and also that they are "representative" of eras, or key times in Earth's history. I've said this repeatedly and I think perhaps over a dozen times, it feels like.

And I've repeatedly pointed out that this issue of how old Earth is in mortal years is very trivial.....

Why get caught up in trivialities?

Don't you think the Bible is better than that?

That's a real question -- don't you realize that Genesis chapter 1 is better than a mere chapter about such things as numerical quantities like how-many years (as if that was the main aim of the text) -- isn't it more profound than that to you?

I'm sincerely and truly asking you.

Dare yourself to read the Bible without a controlling voice over from your church, and just listen to the Word -- as if God is talking. Please try that out.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I keep wondering why you respond to something I didn't say as if I said it, and then don't respond to what I did say.

I never said nor suggested there are not 6 days in Genesis chapter 1 nor did I anywhere say that I think these are not 24 hour days -- in fact, I said many times I think they are, and to you also, directly....

And this is a real problem though -- you appear to me to be pretending I said things I did not say, as if you are intentionally trying to decieve people about what I said.

When you post as if I'd said these days are not 24 hour days, even though I stated many times (and to you also) in the past (months and years ago now) that I personally think these 6 days are real Earth days, 24 hour days.....

Is this because you can't remember I repeatedly said that already, and even directly to you yourself?

If you cannot remember that, it's not a sin. But if that's the case, you should say so though -- and let me know -- so that I won't experience you as intentionally misrepresenting my posts.

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As I've repeatedly posted here to you and another Seventh Day Adventist here in this subforum, I personally think these are "actual days" -- 24 hour days -- and that perhaps they are widely spaced apart from each other in time, and also that they are "representative" of eras, or key times in Earth's history. I've said this repeatedly and I think perhaps over a dozen times, it feels like.

And I've repeatedly pointed out that this issue of how old Earth is in mortal years is very trivial.....

Why get caught up in trivialities?

Don't you think the Bible is better than that?

That's a real question -- don't you realize that Genesis chapter 1 is better than a mere chapter about such things as numerical quantities like how-many years (as if that was the main aim of the text) -- isn't it more profound than that to you?

I'm sincerely and truly asking you.

Dare yourself to read the Bible without a controlling voice over from your church, and just listen to the Word -- as if God is talking. Please try that out.

I apologize for not remembering past discussions with you, it’s hard to recognize someone by a name on a screen unless you’ve seen it numerous times. It wasn’t my intention to misrepresent you but in my defense you did specifically say that the earth is 4.5 billion years old in a post explaining how a day IS NOT 24 hours. That’s exactly what your post says.

Genesis chapter 1 says nothing at all about how much mere mortal time passed, because that would be a triviality really.... The scripture is far more profound than merely listing a mere duration of years as its main theme. We should not be surprised that scripture never gives any age for the Earth, not even suggested in any verse.

This argument is absolutely suggesting that the word “day” that is being used in Genesis chapter 1 DOES NOT MEAN 24 HOURS. That’s exactly your point here because your saying that the word day being used in Genesis 1 does not refer to “mortal time”, which means you’re ascribing another definition to it that is NOT 24 hours. Am I correct so far?

 

[Halbhh]

I apologize for not remembering past discussions with you, it’s hard to recognize someone by a name on a screen unless you’ve seen it numerous times. It wasn’t my intention to misrepresent you but in my defense you did specifically say that the earth is 4.5 billion years old in a post explaining how a day IS NOT 24 hours. That’s exactly what your post says.


This argument is absolutely suggesting that the word “day” that is being used in Genesis chapter 1 DOES NOT MEAN 24 HOURS. That’s exactly your point here because your saying that the word day being used in Genesis 1 does not refer to “mortal time”, which means you’re ascribing another definition to it that is NOT 24 hours. Am I correct so far?

No, and you've done it again, sadly -- that post you are responding to explicitly explained how I reconciled these 2 time lengths.

(I'm just guessing, but perhaps the problem is that at some point as you are reading my post, you think you know what the next sentence will say, and you stop reading somewhere in the post, before the end.
Is that it? I've done that myself plenty. It's only human. But here is a moment where you really should see that you need to read all the words and notice them all....)

Also, I've asked you a sincere question from the heart above....

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, and you've done it again, sadly -- that post you are responding to explicitly explained how I reconciled these 2 time lengths.

(I'm just guessing, but perhaps the problem is that at some point as you are reading my post, you think you know what the next sentence will say, and you stop reading somewhere in the post, before the end.
Is that it? I've done that myself plenty. It's only human. But here is a moment where you really should see that you need to read all the words and notice them all....)

Also, I've asked you a sincere question from the heart above....

If I hadn’t read the whole thing then how did I quote you saying that the earth is 4.5 billion years old? That statement is at the end of the post.

The Earth is a mere 4.55 billion years old in mere mortal time, which is passing away, and will cease to exist.....

It's a time duration that means little or nothing really..,..

It's God's time that matters, not ours. And His time is eternity....

What have I misunderstood here because I still don’t see it? What I see is you specifically saying that the Bible does not say anything about the age of the earth.

We should not be surprised that scripture never gives any age for the Earth, not even suggested in any verse.

Which is incorrect because the Bible specifically tells us that the heavens and the earth and everything in them were created in 6 days. Then the genealogies in Genesis 5 and Genesis 11 give us an exact number of years between Adam and Abraham.

How would you expect the age of the earth to be written in the scriptures? It can’t be written as “the earth is X amount of years old” because that number would be incorrect the very next year. The genealogies not only give us a record of how old the earth is but when key events like the flood took place and when each of the key figures in the Bible lived. It’s a much more effective way of giving a biblical timeline allowing us to pinpoint certain points in time when certain things took place.

In your explanation you quoted Revelation 22 where there will be no night. Genesis 1 says there was night every single day of creation. God separate the light from the darkness and called the light day and the darkness night and there was evening and there was morning over and over for each day of creation. So there’s a distinct difference between what’s happening in Revelation 22 and Genesis 1.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi Ace777 thanks for your reply yes Israel will be grafted back into its own tree this is Israel being reborn in the Spirit and being grafted back with all the Gentile believers and all Israel will be saved thats Israel and all the gentile believers and Christ will present this great multitude before the throne of God.

You said
That is what they teach in Bible college

Do we have to go to bible college to learn and understand God's word after all you only learn what men say not what God says Christ did not preach to the learned of his day but to
the Ordenary man in the street who was uneducated why listen to what men say when we can read Gods word direct from the bible far more beneficial don't you think.


Love and Peace
Dave

Are you aware that Jesus said in John 5 that Moses would be the accuser of the Jews who didn’t believe in Him?

“How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God? Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?””
‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭44‬-‭47‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Paul isn’t saying in Romans 11 that all Jews will be saved.

“But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭6‬-‭8‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “Though the number of the sons of Israel be like the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved; for the Lord will execute His word on the earth, thoroughly and quickly.” And just as Isaiah foretold, “Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left to us a posterity, We would have become like Sodom, and would have resembled Gomorrah.” What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith; but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, just as it is written, “Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭27‬-‭33‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Diamond72]

Everyone is a descendant of Adam and a descendant of Noah.

Not according to Science. Adam lived 6,000 years ago. Mankind has been around for millions of years. We do all share a common ancestor though. We might be related to a person in many different ways. They talk about how the presidents are all related but everyone is related to each other somewhere along the way.

When they ran the DNA on Chedder man to find a living relative they knew they were going to find someone.

When scientists ran DNA tests on Cheddar Man, a Mesolithic skeleton found in Cheddar Gorge, Somerset, they were able to identify a direct descendant. This living relative turned out to be Adrian Targett, a history teacher living less than a mile from where Cheddar Man's remains were discovered! It's amazing to think that a connection spans around 10,000 years

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not according to Science. Adam lived 6,000 years ago. Mankind has been around for millions of years. We do all share a common ancestor though. We might be related to a person in many different ways. They talk about how the presidents are all related but everyone is related to each other somewhere along the way.

When they ran the DNA on Chedder man to find a living relative they knew they were going to find someone.

When scientists ran DNA tests on Cheddar Man, a Mesolithic skeleton found in Cheddar Gorge, Somerset, they were able to identify a direct descendant. This living relative turned out to be Adrian Targett, a history teacher living less than a mile from where Cheddar Man's remains were discovered! It's amazing to think that a connection spans around 10,000 years

Yeah that’s what people who don’t believe the word of God would say. But if you prefer to believe the word of scientists examining DNA that would be 98% destroyed by decay that’s your choice.

 

[Diamond72]

Yeah that’s what people who don’t believe the word of God would say

There is no conflict between Science and the Word of God. NONE at all. Even many great men of science were also solid christians and believers in God. A lot of science began as a religious teaching. The Big Bang for example.

But if you prefer to believe the word of scientists

I do not prefer science over the Bible. I also do not prefer man's opinions and traditions over the Bible. That is why I study Hebrew and read the original language for myself.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There is no conflict between Science and the Word of God. NONE at all. Even many great men of science were also solid christians and believers in God. A lot of science began as a religious teaching. The Big Bang for example.

I do not prefer science over the Bible. I also do not prefer man's opinions and traditions over the Bible. That is why I study Hebrew and read the original language for myself.

Yes and I recall the level of your ability to comprehend the Hebrew language, like when you said that the Hebrew word in Genesis 1:26 refers to man without a soul when the exact same word with the exact same spelling occurs in 1 Chronicles 1:1 which is a genealogy beginning with Adam, then Seth, etc, etc. Your argument was that the Hebrew word translated to man in Genesis 1:26 is different from the word Hebrew word used in Genesis 2:7 therefore the word used in verse 26 is referring to man without a soul and the word used in Genesis 2:7 refers to man with a soul. But not only does 1 Chronicles 1:1 contradict that argument but so does Genesis 1:27 where the same exact word that is used in Genesis 2:7 is used. So obviously your ability to comprehend Hebrew is not as credible as you claim it to be.

 

[Diamond72]

Yes and I recall the level of your ability to comprehend the Hebrew language

Enough to qualify to enter into the first grade. Which is more then most people. What grade level do you feel you are at in the study of the Hebrew that our Bible is written in? You do not trust me and that is fine. Why do you trust anyone to tell you what the Hebrew says? Can you read the Bible for yourself? Or do you think you need others to translate and interpret the Bible for you. If you think there is nothing I can do to help you that is fine, it is no skin off of my nose.

you said that the Hebrew word in Genesis 1:26 refers to man without a soul

I never say anything about a "soul". You can not ever get that much right.

The Hebrew phrase for "the breath of life" is "נִשְׁמַת חַיִּים" ("nishmat chayim"). In Genesis 2:7, it's described how God breathed into Adam's nostrils the "breath of life," making him a living being. It's a powerful image—breath as the divine force animating life itself.

We see this in chapter two, we do not see this in chapter one. All the books in the world would not begin to tell you the difference between the Adam in chapter one and the Adam in chapter two. The concept here is that Adam, as the first man, introduced sin into the world through his disobedience, while Christ, often referred to as the "second Adam," brings redemption and life through His obedience and sacrifice. This parallel highlights the contrast between the fall of humanity and its redemption.

We do not even have books or written history until Adam and Eve in Eden.

John 21:25​

Jesus did many other things. If they were all written in books, I don't suppose there would be room enough in the whole world for all the books.

 

[Diamond72]

This is not true at all, you have to examine the usage of the word not just the word itself. Even today we use the word day the same way. We might say “back in the day” or “back in my day” or “back in my father’s day” but we would never say “on the 4th day” or “in 6 days” when referring to a period of time other than a 24 hour period. You wouldn’t conclude that using the word day as in the 4th day or in 6 days would refer to a period of time other than 24 hours just because we use terms like back in the day or in my father’s day. When you apply a number value to the word day like that it defines the meaning that is intended.

The Torah writes “day one” on that first day because there was not yet a second day. And to write "first", it must be comparative to a second (Genesis 1:5). We see this in the naming of the world wars. The “great war” (world war one) only became the “first world war” when the second started.

First, we must recall that the biblical New Year, Rosh Hashanah, marks the creation of Adam, not the creation of the universe. The six days of Genesis form a separate calendar and stand alone.

The amazing reality of time in our magnificent universe is that the perspective of the time for a series of events compresses as we project that perspective back in time, and it compresses, contracts, gets shorter, exactly as the “size” of the universe compresses as we go back in time.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Enough to qualify to enter into the first grade. Which is more then most people. What grade level do you feel you are at in the study of the Hebrew that our Bible is written in? You do not trust me and that is fine. Why do you trust anyone to tell you what the Hebrew says? Can you read the Bible for yourself? Or do you think you need others to translate and interpret the Bible for you. If you think there is nothing I can do to help you that is fine, it is no skin off of my nose.

If I had to predict what grade level that I understand Hebrew I would put myself probably at the level of a 2 year old, not even kindergarten level. Fortunately I can read and write English quite well and experts have already created lexicons which translate the Hebrew words that are written in the scriptures to English for us.

Now if you would like to discuss any errors that you feel that I’ve made on this subject we can certainly do that. I made my argument so instead of bragging about your comprehension of Hebrew why don’t you use that comprehension to point out my mistake?

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Torah writes “day one” on that first day because there was not yet a second day. And to write "first", it must be comparative to a second (Genesis 1:5). We see this in the naming of the world wars. The “great war” (world war one) only became the “first world war” when the second started.

This explanation might make sense if Genesis was written on day one, but since it was written 2500 years after creation that would mean that when Genesis 1:5 was written, it was already known that there was another 5 days of creation following the first one.

 

[Diamond72]

Moses would be the accuser of the Jews who didn’t believe in Him?

Jesus implies that the very laws and writings of Moses, which the Jewish leaders claimed to uphold, would serve as their accuser because those laws pointed to Jesus as the Messiah. Essentially, if they truly believed Moses' words, they would believe in Jesus, since Moses wrote about Him.

For example: Exodus 12: The Passover lamb, whose blood saved the Israelites, is viewed as a type of Jesus, the Lamb of God.