Trump is Courting Mormon Voters: But With What Arguments?

[Hazelelponi]

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We're just talking about Trump here, red herrings are out of season.

There's only one person going to win the election if Trump doesn't win so it's kinda part of the problem.

I like Trump. I understand both him and his policies. .

It doesn't make sense that people don't find the policies compelling even if you don't appreciate his humor or his passion.

I don't know what Mormons believe - this is true I really don't, I have only had occasion to meet a mormon a couple times in my life - but so far politically we are seeking to live in opposing ways.

 

[Lukaris]

How come they don't elect people more in line with this voting pattern in Congress? Mitt Romney was a Mormon wasn't he?

He was very opposed to Trump.

Utah Senator Mike Lee seems to be an ally of Donald Trump.

Sen. Mike Lee on Donald Trump’s shortlist for U.S. attorney general — if Trump wins 2024 presidential election

Utah Sen. Mike Lee has been floated as a possible nominee for United States attorney general if Donald Trump wins the 2024 presidential election, according to Bloomberg reporting.

www.sltrib.com

 

[Hazelelponi]

Utah Senator Mike Lee seems to be an ally of Donald Trump.

Sen. Mike Lee on Donald Trump’s shortlist for U.S. attorney general — if Trump wins 2024 presidential election

Utah Sen. Mike Lee has been floated as a possible nominee for United States attorney general if Donald Trump wins the 2024 presidential election, according to Bloomberg reporting.

www.sltrib.com

Is he Mormon?

Since the thread was about Mormons I thought we could ask about why 2016-2020 happened.

Is it still impolite to talk about why Mormons don't want to live in similar ways and condition in this nation?

Figuring that out would be helpful next month if it's a fixable problem. 4 more years of open borders and we will never have a voice in government again.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

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There's only one person going to win the election if Trump doesn't win so it's kinda part of the problem.

I like Trump. I understand both him and his policies. .

It doesn't make sense that people don't find the policies compelling even if you don't appreciate his humor or his passion.

I don't know what Mormons believe - this is true I really don't, I have only had occasion to meet a mormon a couple times in my life - but so far politically we are seeking to live in opposing ways.

Since the american people have been choosing the lesser of two evils for a while now, whoever is chosen will be evil.

However, I was just commenting on the subject of the thread "with what arguments?"

From observation, Trump says stuff, then says other stuff .. Thus it doesn't matter what arguments are used.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Since the american people have been choosing the lesser of two evils for a while now, whoever is chosen will be evil.

However, I was just commenting on the subject of the thread "with what arguments?"

From observation, Trump says stuff, then says other stuff .. Thus it doesn't matter what arguments are used.

Trump isn't the lesser of two evils.

I think he's the ideal.

A government is supposed to represent the people of the nation, and a president needs to play in the center and on the right.

Trump does that.

He is more liberal than much of the Republican party claims to be themselves, but our country has gone so far left we couldn't go too far to the right.

Trump's a strong leader, and able to do peace through strength. We had world peace under his governance.

He's got an awesome sense of humor and is quite personable with name recognition - that's positive on the campaign trail.

Awesome policies beginning to end that aren't extreme, they are just normal American stuff. Promote a robust economy, engage in protectionism against our enemies and seek our own manufacturing base that doesn't leave our national security at risk and etc etc.

Trump didn't do everything I would have done but for balanced well meaning government that cares about the people he's a net positive for anyone....

And it has been well meaning government Americans are lacking in.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Trump isn't the lesser of two evils.

I think he's the ideal.

A government is supposed to represent the people of the nation, and a president needs to play in the center and on the right.

Trump does that.

He is more liberal than much of the Republican party claims to be themselves, but our country has gone so far left we couldn't go too far to the right.

Trump's a strong leader, and able to do peace through strength. We had world peace under his governance.

He's got an awesome sense of humor and is quite personable with name recognition - that's positive on the campaign trail.

Awesome policies beginning to end that aren't extreme, they are just normal American stuff. Promote a robust economy, engage in protectionism against our enemies and seek our own manufacturing base that doesn't leave our national security at risk and etc etc.

Trump didn't do everything I would have done but for balanced well meaning government that cares about the people he's a net positive for anyone....

And it has been well meaning government Americans are lacking in.

I get that half of Americans think Trump is the best.

Since I'm not an American, I just don't get it.

Some of our politicians have tried to follow the same formula and have come off "a little too far to the right"

I guess it differs from country to country.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I get that half of Americans think Trump is the best.

Since I'm not an American, I just don't get it.

Some of our politicians have tried to follow the same formula and have come off "a little too far to the right"

He comes across as too liberal, but the policies he proposes are good and balanced as well as beneficial in all the right ways.

Trump's the business owner who's the first one to have gender inclusive bathrooms or whatever. He's a huge supporter of women in business etc. he's pretty liberal really.

It is that he's being painted incorrectly by the media because of a conflict of interest.

If they were honest Trump is a very centrist candidate which are always considered ideal candidates for winning elections and getting some wins for the American people on the right.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

He comes across as too liberal, but the policies he proposes are good and balanced as well as beneficial in all the right ways.

Trump's the business owner who's the first one to have gender inclusive bathrooms or whatever. He's a huge supporter of women in business etc. he's pretty liberal really.

It is that he's being painted incorrectly by the media because of a conflict of interest.

If they were honest Trump is a very centrist candidate which are always considered ideal candidates for winning elections and getting some wins for the American people on the right.

I don't get the Trump comes across as too liberal bit. However, this reminds me of how the majority of our perception is our own and we have nothing in common with anything else. The part we have in common with anyone else is the societal part that we look at what we have in common in order to communicate and collaborate as a society.

Since my sphere of societal perception is not American, it ends up falling in the larger circle or sphere of stuff that only makes sense to one person.

I think it is because I have yet to experience Trump in a way that reflects the picture painted in your post.

 

[Lukaris]

Is he Mormon?

Since the thread was about Mormons I thought we could ask about why 2016-2020 happened.

Is it still impolite to talk about why Mormons don't want to live in similar ways and condition in this nation?

Figuring that out would be helpful next month if it's a fixable problem. 4 more years of open borders and we will never have a voice in government again.

He is a Mormon:


young adult, Lee served a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Texas Rio Grande Valley.[5]

Mike Lee - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

To me on secular & moral issues Mormons seem like my citizen allies just like most Orthodox Jews or Sikhs etc.( from what I see).

 

[Hazelelponi]

He is a Mormon:


young adult, Lee served a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Texas Rio Grande Valley.[5]

Mike Lee - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

To me on secular & moral issues Mormons seem like my citizen allies just like most Orthodox Jews or Sikhs etc.( from what I see).

Oh okay that's cool.

Romney has been so prominent the view of their faith I was getting wasn't positive.

Hopefully this guy will change that impression...

 

[RileyG]

72 virgins would be a Muslim thing. Legal polygamy could be a Muslim AND a Mormon thing.

Only for fundamentalist mormons. Polygamy only exists in the regular Mormon afterlife if both spouses are sealed…or something like that

 

[RileyG]

Trump is Courting Mormon Voters: But With What Arguments?​

Legal polygamy?
72 virgins?

The LDS Church no longer supports polygamy and hasn’t for over 100 years.

Only offshoots, such as the fundamentalist Mormon church, support polygamy.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I have met several.

It is a big thing in Africa, but not only there.

Since polygamy skews the available male to female balance, where polygamy is practiced there are many men very lucky to get one wife. Many get none at all.

We live in a welfare state now. All of those wives can just go on welfare and collect their money and the guy can come around as he pleases. This already exists in the good old US of A. Sorry. I'm not in favor. It's just that it IS a thing and it will be the next big thing after the T of LGBT has run it's course. Because the B folks won't be fulfilled unless they can marry both a M and a F, at least one of each.

I came back to the thread to do an edit on a different post and saw this post again and something struck me.

(You'll have to forgive me, I'm slow as I've had to take pain medicine today)

Are you arguing that we should make polygamy legal because they break the law anyway and we likely pay for it anyway in a hard time?

How can you make that argument? People break all kinds of laws daily up to and including murder however we make laws anyway because we decided this is how we want our society ordered.

We aren't a multi cultural society we are a multi ethnic society with a shared cultural ideal in the general main...

That's what provides us our social cohesion, without a shared culture/values we will balkanize, and I don't believe that will be good for world stability, let alone our own future.

What are your thoughts? Did I just misread? (Entirely possible)

I don't want to see an attempt to normalize and legalize polygyny which will not provide our nation any benefit and will only serve to divide us further, in my opinion.

We need to come back together as a nation and seek ways and means to do that while avoiding further division.

In so many ways I'm optimistic about the ability to come back together. But it will be hard work and love, but love doesn't have to permit everything. If it tries to we will balkanize hard.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Only for fundamentalist mormons. Polygamy only exists in the regular Mormon afterlife if both spouses are sealed…or something like that

One wonders if polygamy is legalized in America whether the Mormons will take up the option again. They are only against it because for Utah to join the Union the LDS had to renounce polygamy. Now I do think that polygamy and polyandry will eventually be legalized. No, I don't want it, but I think it will happen.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I came back to the thread to do an edit on a different post and saw this post again and something struck me.

(You'll have to forgive me, I'm slow as I've had to take pain medicine today)

Are you arguing that we should make polygamy legal because they break the law anyway and we likely pay for it anyway in a hard time?

No. Not at all. It should not be legal. But I think it will be legalized. And the logic will be that a bisexual can only be fulfilled by marrying both a male AND a female. No. I'm not in favor at all.

What are your thoughts? Did I just misread? (Entirely possible)

Yes. But then maybe I wasn't dreadfully clear.

I don't want to see an attempt to normalize and legalize polygyny which will not provide our nation any benefit and will only serve to divide us further, in my opinion.

We need to come back together as a nation and seek ways and means to do that while avoiding further division.

In so many ways I'm optimistic about the ability to come back together. But it will be hard work and love, but love doesn't have to permit everything. If it tries to we will balkanize hard.

I think everything will be allowed before it's all over. I think we are on a downhill toboggan ride and picking up speed. And I don't know what kind of crash it will be when we slam into that tree line. Perhaps believing Christians can help pick up the pieces.

 

[BPPLEE]

Trump announces Latter-day Saints coalition in push for battleground voters

The voting bloc has become an unexpected key in the swing state of Arizona.

www.nbcnews.com

Given that Trump is willing to say anything, to get a few votes (I am referring
to many of the fact-checking articles, that point out dozens of Trump
falsehoods, over his many speeches), should Christian Americans believe
Trump's claim that he is for freedom of religion in America?

Trump has called himself a "Christian", and has aligned himself with
Protestant Fundamentalists who are seeking a "Christian nationalism".
Unfortunately for orthodox, historic Christians, Trump's alignment with
the Christian nationalism groups, is an alignment with Protestant Fundamentalists,
who, almost to a man, DO NOT RECOGNIZE MANY HISTORIC CHRISTIAN GROUPS
as being Christian. That includes high church theologies such as Catholic and
Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Christians, or Reformed (Calvinist) Christians,
or even many low church Pentecostal Christians.

Trump's "freedom of religion" seems more to be more a support of anti-intellectual,
Fundamentalist, young earth groups, and... (the Evangelicals have not thought this
through, carefully) that is at odds with the historical Evangelicals who are historically
embracing the intellect, old earth Christians, who have no problems with the
modern hard sciences. Catholic Christians historically embrace an old earth model,
high church understandings of the sacraments, and a historical moral-ethical
system.

It seems a bit difficult to point out the obvious, that Trump's support for "Christian
nationalism" is a support for a brand of Christianity, that has MAJOR problems with
Protestant Evangelicalism, Catholic Christianity, and Orthodox Christianity. This
"Christian nationalism" is also NOT compatible with the polytheism of Mormonism.

I am pointing out what should be obvious: by aligning himself with outliers in the
Christian religion (the "Christian nationalism" groups), Trump has taken a stand
AGAINST freedom of religion, as our founding fathers defined that term.

Trump is about as for freedom of religion, as Vlad Putin is for freedom of religion.

Trump doesn't know what fundamentalism is

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www.christianforums.com

 

[RileyG]

One wonders if polygamy is legalized in America whether the Mormons will take up the option again. They are only against it because for Utah to join the Union the LDS had to renounce polygamy. Now I do think that polygamy and polyandry will eventually be legalized. No, I don't want it, but I think it will happen.

I don't know for sure.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I think everything will be allowed before it's all over. I think we are on a downhill toboggan ride and picking up speed. And I don't know what kind of crash it will be when we slam into that tree line. Perhaps believing Christians can help pick up the pieces.

Sometimes people can band together and pull it back from the brink. I have faith and hope in Christ that through Him we can stop the toboggan. The impossible becomes possible in Christ.

It's possible that the left simply won't stop without a war but I'm choosing to remain hopeful.

Speaking of hope and coming together, I actually came across this lovely article. I think LDS and Mormon is maybe the same or similar after Riley's post so I'll share this as Mormon specific lovely news: (hopefully.. lol)

6,000 Latter-day Saints Bring Relief to Hurricane Helene Victims

6,000 Latter-day Saints volunteers traveled to various parts of North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia to assist in the relief efforts after Hurricane Helene.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

I do pray we don't devolve...

God bless these people for giving of themselves for others. Perfect example.

 

[RileyG]

Sometimes people can band together and pull it back from the brink. I have faith and hope in Christ that through Him we can stop the toboggan. The impossible becomes possible in Christ.

It's possible that the left simply won't stop without a war but I'm choosing to remain hopeful.

Speaking of hope and coming together, I actually came across this lovely article. I think LDS and Mormon is maybe the same or similar after Riley's post so I'll share this as Mormon specific lovely news:

6,000 Latter-day Saints Bring Relief to Hurricane Helene Victims

6,000 Latter-day Saints volunteers traveled to various parts of North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia to assist in the relief efforts after Hurricane Helene.

newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org

I do pray we don't devolve...

Yes, LDS and "Mormon" are the same. Most don't like being called "Mormon" because it's not their official name.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes, LDS and "Mormon" are the same. Most don't like being called "Mormon" because it's not their official name.

Okay .. I'll remember that then.

Thank you.