Trump is Courting Mormon Voters: But With What Arguments?

[Stephen3141]

Trump announces Latter-day Saints coalition in push for battleground voters

The voting bloc has become an unexpected key in the swing state of Arizona.

www.nbcnews.com

Given that Trump is willing to say anything, to get a few votes (I am referring
to many of the fact-checking articles, that point out dozens of Trump
falsehoods, over his many speeches), should Christian Americans believe
Trump's claim that he is for freedom of religion in America?

Trump has called himself a "Christian", and has aligned himself with
Protestant Fundamentalists who are seeking a "Christian nationalism".
Unfortunately for orthodox, historic Christians, Trump's alignment with
the Christian nationalism groups, is an alignment with Protestant Fundamentalists,
who, almost to a man, DO NOT RECOGNIZE MANY HISTORIC CHRISTIAN GROUPS
as being Christian. That includes high church theologies such as Catholic and
Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Christians, or Reformed (Calvinist) Christians,
or even many low church Pentecostal Christians.

Trump's "freedom of religion" seems more to be more a support of anti-intellectual,
Fundamentalist, young earth groups, and... (the Evangelicals have not thought this
through, carefully) that is at odds with the historical Evangelicals who are historically
embracing the intellect, old earth Christians, who have no problems with the
modern hard sciences. Catholic Christians historically embrace an old earth model,
high church understandings of the sacraments, and a historical moral-ethical
system.

It seems a bit difficult to point out the obvious, that Trump's support for "Christian
nationalism" is a support for a brand of Christianity, that has MAJOR problems with
Protestant Evangelicalism, Catholic Christianity, and Orthodox Christianity. This
"Christian nationalism" is also NOT compatible with the polytheism of Mormonism.

I am pointing out what should be obvious: by aligning himself with outliers in the
Christian religion (the "Christian nationalism" groups), Trump has taken a stand
AGAINST freedom of religion, as our founding fathers defined that term.

Trump is about as for freedom of religion, as Vlad Putin is for freedom of religion.

 

[RileyG]

I wonder if Trump will ever convert to Catholicism since he wished our Lady a Happy Birthday and posted the prayer to St. Michael on his Facebook wall.

That being said, I'm not surprised he wants the votes from LDS.

He also doesn't drink, smoke, or do anything in excess.

They are known for that.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Trump announces Latter-day Saints coalition in push for battleground voters

The voting bloc has become an unexpected key in the swing state of Arizona.

www.nbcnews.com

Given that Trump is willing to say anything, to get a few votes (I am referring
to many of the fact-checking articles, that point out dozens of Trump
falsehoods, over his many speeches), should Christian Americans believe
Trump's claim that he is for freedom of religion in America?

Trump has called himself a "Christian", and has aligned himself with
Protestant Fundamentalists who are seeking a "Christian nationalism".
Unfortunately for orthodox, historic Christians, Trump's alignment with
the Christian nationalism groups, is an alignment with Protestant Fundamentalists,
who, almost to a man, DO NOT RECOGNIZE MANY HISTORIC CHRISTIAN GROUPS
as being Christian. That includes high church theologies such as Catholic and
Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Christians, or Reformed (Calvinist) Christians,
or even many low church Pentecostal Christians.

Trump's "freedom of religion" seems more to be more a support of anti-intellectual,
Fundamentalist, young earth groups, and... (the Evangelicals have not thought this
through, carefully) that is at odds with the historical Evangelicals who are historically
embracing the intellect, old earth Christians, who have no problems with the
modern hard sciences. Catholic Christians historically embrace an old earth model,
high church understandings of the sacraments, and a historical moral-ethical
system.

It seems a bit difficult to point out the obvious, that Trump's support for "Christian
nationalism" is a support for a brand of Christianity, that has MAJOR problems with
Protestant Evangelicalism, Catholic Christianity, and Orthodox Christianity. This
"Christian nationalism" is also NOT compatible with the polytheism of Mormonism.

I am pointing out what should be obvious: by aligning himself with outliers in the
Christian religion (the "Christian nationalism" groups), Trump has taken a stand
AGAINST freedom of religion, as our founding fathers defined that term.

Trump is about as for freedom of religion, as Vlad Putin is for freedom of religion.

I think you need to take a deep breath and reassess your statements here.

First off, your screed says nothing about Mormons, although your link does. Then you say he has aligned himself with Fundamentalists against Catholics, but what about picking a believing Catholic for VP? AND aligning himself with Mormons doesn't necessarily endear himself with Fundamentalists either. And you speak of Christian Nationalism as something Trump has joined up with as an assumption not quite in evidence. All in all your post reads like some high class emotionalism lacking in real facts.

Someone could make the case that Kamala Harris is about as for freedom of religion as Charman Xi, making sure Christians are forced to do abortions and SWAT teams are sent in the early morning to people's homes to apprehend those who protest abortions.

 

[Palmfever]

Trump is Courting Mormon Voters: But With What Arguments?​

Legal polygamy?
72 virgins?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Trump is Courting Mormon Voters: But With What Arguments?​

Legal polygamy?
72 virgins?

72 virgins would be a Muslim thing. Legal polygamy could be a Muslim AND a Mormon thing.

 

[Lukaris]

Trump did well in Utah in the 2020 election. It is only logical he wants to show support and appreciation to the Mormons.

2020 United States presidential election in Utah - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Hazelelponi]

Trump did well in Utah in the 2020 election. It is only logical he wants to show support and appreciation to the Mormons.

2020 United States presidential election in Utah - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How come they don't elect people more in line with this voting pattern in Congress? Mitt Romney was a Mormon wasn't he?

He was very opposed to Trump.

 

[chevyontheriver]

72 Virgins is already taken by Mohammed the false prophet.

Trump is not going to try and push legal polygamy at a time people are over and done with sexual perversions.

Trump might promise that unlike Kamala Harris he won't attack anyone's religious freedom as it stands. Who knows? No tax on tips? No violent migrants in their neighborhood?

What would be the party of polygamy?

 

[Palmfever]

72 virgins would be a Muslim thing. Legal polygamy could be a Muslim AND a Mormon thing.

Yes, would likely require some effort to find a muslim polygamist. And if you did they would possibly be headless.

Perhaps free catered potlucks for a year.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Yes, would likely require some effort to find a muslim polygamist. And if you did they would possibly be headless.

Perhaps free catered potlucks for a year.

I have known many Muslim polygamists overseas. All in possession of their heads. It's a strange thing but it happens. The limit to the number of wives is four by the way.

Muslim polygamists in this country can also be found, though not quite publicly or legally yet. And I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who would like polygamy established here. Not that I see what good it is for most Muslim men who can't marry or Muslim women who get a half or a third or a quarter of a husband.

That was why I asked which party was the party of polygamy. There is some demand for it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

How come they don't elect people more in line with this voting pattern in Congress? Mitt Romney was a Mormon wasn't he?

He was very opposed to Trump.

Note the 2016 results. 2016 United States presidential election in Utah - Wikipedia

Trump got only 45%. Hillary got only 27%. McMullen, surprise, a Mormon never-Trumper got 21%. That's a chunk of dissatisfaction. Mormons aren't necessarily pleased as punch with Trump.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Note the 2016 results. 2016 United States presidential election in Utah - Wikipedia

Trump got only 45%. Hillary got only 27%. McMullen, surprise, a Mormon never-Trumper got 21%. That's a chunk of dissatisfaction. Mormons aren't necessarily pleased as punch with Trump.

Enough to completely try to cancel everything he does?

That's more than just not pleased. That seems to me they don't have the same policy agenda we do.

 

[Palmfever]

I have known many Muslim polygamists overseas. All in possession of their heads. It's a strange thing but it happens. The limit to the number of wives is four by the way.

Muslim polygamists in this country can also be found, though not quite publicly or legally yet. And I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who would like polygamy established here. Not that I see what good it is for most Muslim men who can't marry or Muslim women who get a half or a third or a quarter of a husband.

That was why I asked which party was the party of polygamy. There is some demand for it.

Other than for the leaders in the church I have found that it was not forbidden.
I've also found that one can be difficult enough.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

1. 12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

1 Tim 3, Titus 1
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

 

[Hazelelponi]

I have known many Muslim polygamists overseas. All in possession of their heads. It's a strange thing but it happens. The limit to the number of wives is four by the way.

Muslim polygamists in this country can also be found, though not quite publicly or legally yet. And I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who would like polygamy established here. Not that I see what good it is for most Muslim men who can't marry or Muslim women who get a half or a third or a quarter of a husband.

That was why I asked which party was the party of polygamy. There is some demand for it.

No and no. No.

Culturally there's few Arabs who follow anything about polygamy, just extremists and some Africans I think.

Majority of Muslims are quite monogamous despite the teachings allowing it.

A handful of extremists I don't think are good to encourage, and in a welfare state it's not a good idea to allow in the first place.

A guy with 4 wives and 20 children is more expensive when he loses a job.

 

[chevyontheriver]

No and no. No.

I have met several.

Culturally there's few Arabs who follow anything about polygamy, just extremists and some Africans I think.

It is a big thing in Africa, but not only there.

Majority of Muslims are quite monogamous despite the teachings allowing it.

Since polygamy skews the available male to female balance, where polygamy is practiced there are many men very lucky to get one wife. Many get none at all.

A handful of extremists I don't think are good to encourage, and in a welfare state it's not a good idea to allow in the first place.

A guy with 4 wives and 20 children is more expensive when he loses a job.

We live in a welfare state now. All of those wives can just go on welfare and collect their money and the guy can come around as he pleases. This already exists in the good old US of A. Sorry. I'm not in favor. It's just that it IS a thing and it will be the next big thing after the T of LGBT has run it's course. Because the B folks won't be fulfilled unless they can marry both a M and a F, at least one of each.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sorry. I'm not in favor. It's just that it IS a thing and it will be the next big thing after the T of LGBT has run it's course

That's the problem. I'm fighting against the T like my life depends on it and every other perversion they bring up after to my dying day.

I'm over it.

We have a society and a culture here and people who don't like it are free to find the door.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Trump announces Latter-day Saints coalition in push for battleground voters

The voting bloc has become an unexpected key in the swing state of Arizona.

www.nbcnews.com

Given that Trump is willing to say anything, to get a few votes (I am referring
to many of the fact-checking articles, that point out dozens of Trump
falsehoods, over his many speeches), should Christian Americans believe
Trump's claim that he is for freedom of religion in America?

Trump has called himself a "Christian", and has aligned himself with
Protestant Fundamentalists who are seeking a "Christian nationalism".
Unfortunately for orthodox, historic Christians, Trump's alignment with
the Christian nationalism groups, is an alignment with Protestant Fundamentalists,
who, almost to a man, DO NOT RECOGNIZE MANY HISTORIC CHRISTIAN GROUPS
as being Christian. That includes high church theologies such as Catholic and
Anglican and Eastern Orthodox Christians, or Reformed (Calvinist) Christians,
or even many low church Pentecostal Christians.

Trump's "freedom of religion" seems more to be more a support of anti-intellectual,
Fundamentalist, young earth groups, and... (the Evangelicals have not thought this
through, carefully) that is at odds with the historical Evangelicals who are historically
embracing the intellect, old earth Christians, who have no problems with the
modern hard sciences. Catholic Christians historically embrace an old earth model,
high church understandings of the sacraments, and a historical moral-ethical
system.

It seems a bit difficult to point out the obvious, that Trump's support for "Christian
nationalism" is a support for a brand of Christianity, that has MAJOR problems with
Protestant Evangelicalism, Catholic Christianity, and Orthodox Christianity. This
"Christian nationalism" is also NOT compatible with the polytheism of Mormonism.

I am pointing out what should be obvious: by aligning himself with outliers in the
Christian religion (the "Christian nationalism" groups), Trump has taken a stand
AGAINST freedom of religion, as our founding fathers defined that term.

Trump is about as for freedom of religion, as Vlad Putin is for freedom of religion.

Trump just says stuff. Then he says other stuff. Somehow it's okay if the stuffs don't correlate.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Trump just says stuff. Then he says other stuff. Somehow it's okay if the stuffs don't correlate.

So supporting open borders, and etc etc is somehow more positive?

He has a website full of policies. People could just read them.

I really don't understand why anyone thinks what we've been living under is a positive development. It certainly seems hateful, institutionalized hate.

 

[mourningdove~]

Trump plans to hold a roundtable with Latter-day Saints leaders in Arizona on Sunday, a campaign aide said.

Sounds good to me!

The Democrats are also 'courting' them:

The Harris campaign hosts a “Latter Day Saints for Harris-Walz” coalition on its website and launched an advisory committee in Arizona last month. The Democratic campaign also organized an LDS coalition in Nevada this week.

... and that's what political candidates do in an election year!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So supporting open borders, and etc etc is somehow more positive?

He has a website full of policies. People could just read them.

I really don't understand why anyone thinks what we've been living under is a positive development. It certainly seems hateful, institutionalized hate.

We're just talking about Trump here, red herrings are out of season.