FLAT or ROUND Earth?

[Apple Sky]

The apostles didn’t state it either.

I take it you've never read Revelation then.

 

[Phil G]

I take it you've never read Revelation then.

No shape of the earth there. You have always contradicted yourself, claiming one minute the Bible doesn’t state the shape of the earth and claiming the next that it does.

 

[Bradskii]

There's just one problem, there is no flat earth map to scale, the nearest we have is the Gleason's new standard map of the world.

The map I posted some time ago, provided by the Flat Earth Society, is an almost exact replica. And we're not talking about scale, we're talking proportion. The proportion of Australia, as you have discovered yourself, is out by a significant amount.

And the Gleeson map shows that you have to fly a very long way past L.A. to get to Santiago from Sydney. And you've discovered that that is simply not true. So if the earth is flat, there isn't a map that one could use.

Let's face it, it's difficult to produce a 2D map of a 3D globe that's accurate in all respects. If you had a ball on which the countries of the world were drawn, such as this...

...then it's not possible to flatten that ball out. But if the earth was flat then it would be ridiculously easy to produce a 2D map. Which is what The Flat Earth Society has done. It's their official, this-is-what-the-world-actually-looks-like map.

And you have discovered that it's wrong.

 

[Apple Sky]

No shape of the earth there. You have always contradicted yourself, claiming one minute the Bible doesn’t state the shape of the earth and claiming the next that it does.

The bible doesn't state the earth is flat but it certainly indictes that it is.

14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up,

7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him

Now tell me something, how does the sky scroll up on a ball & how is every eye going to see him on a ball ?

 

[Strong in Him]

14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up,

Doesn't teach that the earth is flat.

7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him

Doesn't say that the earth is flat.

how is every eye going to see him on a ball ?

In the same way that every eye sees the moon, or sun, in the sky.

 

[Apple Sky]

The map I posted some time ago, provided by the Flat Earth Society, is an almost exact replica. And we're not talking about scale, we're talking proportion. The proportion of Australia, as you have discovered yourself, is out by a significant amount.

And the Gleeson map shows that you have to fly a very long way past L.A. to get to Santiago from Sydney. And you've discovered that that is simply not true. So if the earth is flat, there isn't a map that one could use.

Let's face it, it's difficult to produce a 2D map of a 3D globe that's accurate in all respects. If you had a ball on which the countries of the world were drawn, such as this...

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...then it's not possible to flatten that ball out. But if the earth was flat then it would be ridiculously easy to produce a 2D map. Which is what The Flat Earth Society has done. It's their official, this-is-what-the-world-actually-looks-like map.

And you have discovered that it's wrong.

I'm thinking & I will get back to you

 

[Apple Sky]

Doesn't teach that the earth is flat.


Doesn't say that the earth is flat.


In the same way that every eye sees the moon, or sun, in the sky.

You haven't answered the question, how does the sky scroll back on a ball ?

 

[Phil G]

The bible doesn't state the earth is flat but it certainly indictes that it is.

14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up,

7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him

Now tell me something, how does the sky scroll up on a ball & how is every eye going to see him on a ball ?

How does God do anything? If you think that God can’t roll up the sky or atmosphere like a scroll then you don’t understand that the atmosphere is made up of matter. It has mass and takes up space, therefore it is matter and matter can be rolled up. God is the creator and He can do whatever He wants with His creation.

When Jesus returns every eye will see Him. Yet every eye cannot see the sun & moon at the same time here and now. So even if the earth is flat, this will take a miracle of God, if every eye is to see Jesus at the same time. It will be no more nor no less of a miracle with a globe earth.

There is not even the slightest indication that the earth is flat in either of these verses.

Tell me, why do you keep trying to second guess what God can or cannot do?

 

[Strong in Him]

You haven't answered the question, how does the sky scroll back on a ball ?

I've told you, I cannot give you scientific explanations.

But take a football, cut out a piece of paper and lay it across the ball. now roll the paper up.
The earth is way bigger than a football.

 

[Bradskii]

I'm thinking & I will get back to you

Good idea. Think about what you've been presented by The Flat Earth Society and compare it to what you now actually know. The two aren't compatible.

And as I've said, I'm not cutting and pasting these details from some NASA site or similar. I have flown between these places myself. I know those distances are correct.

 

[prodromos]

The bible doesn't state the earth is flat but it certainly indictes that it is.

14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up,

7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him

Now tell me something, how does the sky scroll up on a ball & how is every eye going to see him on a ball ?

But you guys claim the Sun and moon aren't able to be seen by everyone on a flat earth at the same time, so it will be equally impossible for everyone on a flat earth to be able to see Jesus all at the same time. If is is possible on the flat earth by some miraculous means, then it is equally possible by the same means on a globe.

 

[Apple Sky]

Tell me, why do you keep trying to second guess what God can or cannot do?

I'm not, but you are.

 

[Phil G]

I'm not, but you are.

A defensive non answer. I'm saying that God can do anything He wants with His creation, regardless of the shape of the earth. You're saying He can't if the earth is a "ball", which is rubbish and limits God to His creation.

 

[d taylor]

And you determined this, how exactly? That is well over the speed of sound and it is hardly aerodynamic.

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Go and look up the post about the same very question you asked about 3 years ago

 

[Strong in Him]

I've told you, I cannot give you scientific explanations.

But take a football, cut out a piece of paper and lay it across the ball. now roll the paper up.
The earth is way bigger than a football.

What's so funny?
You think the earth is the same sized as a football?

 

[prodromos]

Go and look up the post about the same very question you asked about 3 years ago

So it is still just your subjective opinion. You didn't use triangulation or a laser ranging device to determine elevation and you can't calculate its velocity without knowing how far it is.

 

[d taylor]

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So it is still just your subjective opinion. You didn't use triangulation or a laser ranging device to determine elevation and you can't calculate its velocity without knowing how far it is.

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Why, so i could be deceived like you. That is like saying use the method science uses to determine evolution happen to disprove evolution

 

[contratodo]

The circumference of the earth is supposed to be 24,901 miles.
A mile is 5280 feet.
An average human is 5 feet tall and can walk for multiple miles no problem.
Therefore, we are not at microscopic proportions on this supposed ball,
therefore as we rise in altitude, if we were really on a ball of said proportions,
we should have to look more and more down to see the horizon.
The horizon stays at eye level, regardless of altitude, showing that the earth is flat.


He shall surely violently turn around and toss you like a ball...
Isaiah 22:18

God sits above the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretches out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in.
Isaiah 40:22

Isaiah knew the difference between a circle and a ball,
in 40:22 he is talking about a circle not a ball.
The heavens as a tent put over that circle.
God sits on the heavens, the city of heaven is on top of the sky, literally.
In the end, the sky is destroyed and that city comes down. Revelation 21:2

 

[David Lamb]

The circumference of the earth is supposed to be 24,901 miles.
A mile is 5280 feet.
An average human is 5 feet tall and can walk for multiple miles no problem.
Therefore, we are not at microscopic proportions on this supposed ball,
therefore as we rise in altitude, if we were really on a ball of said proportions,
we should have to look more and more down to see the horizon.
The horizon stays at eye level, regardless of altitude, showing that the earth is flat.


He shall surely violently turn around and toss you like a ball...
Isaiah 22:18

God sits above the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretches out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in.
Isaiah 40:22

Isaiah knew the difference between a circle and a ball,
in 40:22 he is talking about a circle not a ball.
The heavens as a tent put over that circle.
God sits on the heavens, the city of heaven is on top of the sky, literally.
In the end, the sky is destroyed and that city comes down. Revelation 21:2

Not so. The horizon is where the sky appears to meet the sea or the land. That is closer at sea level than it is when we are up higher. That is why if I were standing on the beach at Dover (England), I wouldn't be able to see France (about 21 miles away), but if I stood on the top of the White Cliffs of Dover, then I could see France (assuming the weather was clear enough, of course). Indeed this fact is a strong argument against a flat earth. If the earth were flat, I should be able to see France from my home. I live in Paignton, on the coast of Devon in south west England, about 122 miles from France. However powerful a telescope I might have, I couldn't see France from here. How does somebody who believes that the earth is a flat disc explain this?

 

[prodromos]

The horizon stays at eye level, regardless of altitude, showing that the earth is flat

We've shown this claim of yours to be false before. When a water level is used to show eye level, then the horizon drops below eye level more and more the higher the altitude you are viewing from. You don't use a water level to determine eye level but rather use you subjective view which is naturally drawn to the horizon.
The fact that the horizon drops below eye level is indeed proof of the globe earth.