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Potential Peace deal between Russia and Ukraine was blocked by Biden-Harris official in 2022
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I don't know, I've never heard that tale, but even the crickets run when Biden and Harris walk into a room:
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Putin is disgusting is NOT a reason not to reach a negotiated peace settlement with the Russians.
There's a lot of people I think are disgusting, doesn't mean I am going to pick a war with them. People die in war and never will their name be either Biden, Putin or Zelinsky for that matter.
But I will say all 3 are responsible before God for the citizens under their respective charges and care. I don't see using people as cannon fodder because Putin is disgusting to be upholding that responsibility.
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Funny how it seems the “law and order” folks are the ones wanting to let an international thug and war criminal and leader of a terrorist nation at this point just have his way and run roughshod over international law and borders without any repercussions or consequences.
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True. Putin's character is not worth Ukraine fighting a war over, to my way of thinking.
His invasion and ongoing massacre is though.
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The post WWII period was probably the longest period since...ever...that European nations haven't been invading each other. The Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia would be the only exception of the post-WWII European peace...and that was by the Russians. Also the invasion of the Crimea...also by the Russians. That's why Russia's invasion of Ukraine is serious to Europe. That's why Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and Slovikia--all which had been under the thumb of the USSR--readily joined NATO when they had the opportunity. It's why Finland and Sweden joined NATO when the Russians invaded Ukraine.
They know the Russians.
We sit over here an ocean away and babble about it, but they know the Russians.
They know the Russians.
We sit over here an ocean away and babble about it, but they know the Russians.
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And nowhere in my post did I refer to Putin being a disgusting person, though you are correct that he is.
And it all depends on how kind of a "peace deal" it would have been. If you look at the kind of deals Russia/USSR made with the Baltics and what resulted from those and what kind of a deal they offered Finland before the invasion back then, you'd learn to take a cold long look at what such a deal includes.
Only Putin is responsible. You are again trying to shift blame onto others from Putin there. The Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, on their own soil. I guess that concept is hard for some people to understand.
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Right now Russia has control of about 20% of Ukraine's land.
I would not be willing to give up 20% of the US and especially not to an adversarial dictatorship. I would not be willing to turn my fellow citizens over to such a regime.
I wouldn't trust such a regime to be satisfied with 20% just as Russia wasn't satisfied with Crimea.
Neither would I be willing to renege on a mutual allied agreement with Canada and Mexico.
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Ideally, I do agree with this post. However, there is this idea to consider. Is it NOT true that in the Donbas region of Ukraine, the majority of the civilians there speak Russia as their primary region, have Russian ethnicity, and prefer NOT to live under the authority of the Ukrainian government?
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Really?
I doubt that.
As someone who graduated from high school in Texas, and still has family living in Texas, I truly do doubt that the majority of people living in southern Texas would prefer to live under the authority of the Mexican government instead of the Texas and USA government.
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I do not think that it is correct. There is in that region a Russian language majority. Some ethnic Ukranians do speak Russian as their primary tongue from my understanding. The "Ukrainian government" part is backward I think. We should be wary of any polls or elections occurring after the "separatists" took control.
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Then, there is no way of ending the war. Maybe, I would move the Ukrainian citizens from the borders, and move them closer to the center of Ukraine. Then, I would make a 20 km (10-15 miles) buffer zone on the border (a DMZ) where neither Russia or Ukraine own any land. The DMZ could be run by neutral Ukrainians and neutral Russians. But hey, once again, I am not a politician or ambassador.
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At this point, we should not even worry about this war. Let it play out. Or, send someone to take Putin out.
Also, no one gave you a smiley.
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I didn't mean to imply that that someone gave it to me, it was more that I'm confused how I got it to appear. And I do believe we should worry about it, the consequences depending on how it ends can vary a lot. Still confused as to what is a "neutral" Ukrainian though.
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