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Bomb threats reported at City Hall, multiple other buildings in Springfield, Ohio

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Trump and Vance are lying to you. You know that as a fact.
Trump and Vance are part of a larger group of liars then:
The Mayor of New York is complaining.
The Citizens of Chicago are complaining
The Citizens of Florida, Colorado, California, Texas and Martha's Vineyard are complaining.
And telling some mighty wild stories about rape murder sex trafficking, and gangs taking over apartments.
All lies of course
The illegal immigrants cost California $31 Billion a year. Another lie?
Taxes are outrageously high and California is running huge deficits.
Coming to your town soon.
 
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Trump and Vance are part of a larger group of liars then:
The Mayor of New York is complaining.
The Citizens of Chicago are complaining
The Citizens of Florida, California, Texas and Martha's Vineyard are complaining.
About Haitian invasions? Haitians eating house pets? I don't think so. This is about the attacks specifically levied at Haitians, particularly in Springfield, Ohio.
The illegal immigrants cost California $31 Billion a year.
Taxes are outrageously high and California is running huge deficits.
California is not the subject.
Coming to your town soon.
Fearmongering.
 
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I don't see why there might be. It's not like people are being told that they are there illegally, taking jobs from honest Americans and...I dunno, eating their pets. But if that did happen, do you think that some idiots like the Proud Boys or the KKK might take some action? No, of course not. They're just guys from the FBI playing dress up. It's on the internet, don't you know. So it must be true.

Yeah, that's right. People actually believe that. So thinking that a family which has lived with violence every single day and has managed to escape that is skinning and BBQing your pet pooch is no real stretch, is it...

Trump and Vance are lying to you. You know that as a fact. But there are waaay too many people who either can't or don't want to believe it. He's already lit the fire. Now he's fanning the flames.
So I guess that's a NO then
 
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So I guess that's a NO then
Of course it's a no. But have we got to wait until some Haitian guy is beaten up or worse before what Trump and Vance doing is then deemed reprehensible? Can't we do that now? Please tell me why not.
 
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This is stochastic terrorism operationalized.
Bomb threats by Foreign Nationals is Terrorism.
Oh, yeah, I remember
Without any evidence other than "Trump" it was the proud boys and white supremacist who were making the bomb threats.

But then the Governor of Ohio said it was Foreign Nationals.
But Trump! Trump Trump
Have to tie Trump into this even if it is a most convoluted comedy.
 
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Of course it's a no. But have we got to wait until some Haitian guy is beaten up or worse before what Trump and Vance doing is then deemed reprehensible? Can't we do that now? Please tell me why not.
One candidate has had two attempts on his life and no one has deemed the rhetoric coming from the left reprehensible.
You're whining about something that hasn't even happened while we have actual violence, attempted murder, being committed against a man compared to Hitler and called a threat to democracy.
 
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One candidate has had two attempts on his life and no one has deemed the rhetoric coming from the left reprehensible.
You're whining about something that hasn't even happened while we have actual violence, attempted murder, being committed against a man compared to Hitler and called a threat to democracy.
That he's a threat to democracy has been explained to you by umpteen Republicans. I could list them all but I'd be here all day.

The man is lying. And you know it. Stop trying to defend what he is saying.
 
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Bomb threats by Foreign Nationals is Terrorism.
Bomb threats by *anyone* to generate fear and terror is terrorism.
Oh, yeah, I remember
Without any evidence other than "Trump" it was the proud boys and white supremacist who were making the bomb threats.
We don't know who made the ~30 bomb threats in the last few days. It probably isn't one person or coordinated group making all of them.
But then the Governor of Ohio said it was Foreign Nationals.
DeWine didn't say they were from foreign nationals, but from overseas.

"Some of them are coming from one particular country. We think that this is, you know, one more opportunity to mess with the United States. And they’re continuing to do that."

I'll give you three guesses which "one particular country" it could be. (Even Donald Trump can probably get this one right.)
But Trump! Trump Trump
Have to tie Trump into this even if it is a most convoluted comedy.
Let's deal with actual facts. Either use the ones available, or wait until we get needed facts.
 
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That he's a threat to democracy has been explained to you by umpteen Republicans. I could list them all but I'd be here all day.

The man is lying. And you know it. Stop trying to defend what he is saying.
I'm not talking about what he's saying, I'm talking about what's being said about him. You and your side are guilty of the very thing that you are complaining about and it's led to actual violence, not imagined or something that might happen two people have tried to kill the man
 
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One candidate has had two attempts on his life and no one has deemed the rhetoric coming from the left reprehensible.
You're whining about something that hasn't even happened while we have actual violence, attempted murder, being committed against a man compared to Hitler and called a threat to democracy.
Neither shooter appears to have been influenced by left-wing rhetoric. The first was a mass-shooter-type who chose a single target instead. The second appears to be a wackadoo who once voted for Trump but really wanted him to support Ukraine.
 
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Neither shooter appears to have been influenced by left-wing rhetoric. The first was a mass-shooter-type who chose a single target instead. The second appears to be a wackadoo who once voted for Trump but really wanted him to support Ukraine.
He had a Harris Walz sticker on his truck, I have not read anything that said he voted for Trump and you don't know what motivated them.
 
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Let's deal with actual facts. Either use the ones available, or wait until we get needed facts.
Absolutely
But the press immediately reported it was Trump stirring up the rabble, "insert...basket of deplorables."
But the fact remains, the person making bomb threats is the only *violence" in Springfield and that is from outside the country.
*Other than violence to geese and ducks, which is factual as there are now two police reports found of that.
We had random shots fired in our neighborhood. The police came. No evidence. Couldn't find anyone who was shooting. That did not make the people who reported the shots liars.
 
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He had a Harris Walz sticker on his truck,

Biden-Harris, not Harris-Walz:

I have not read anything that said he voted for Trump and you don't know what motivated them.
Regarding the voting, he mentioned it on twitter:
 
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Same old tired playbook
racist, xenophobe, nazi, yada yada

There were four (4) bomb threats against a school in Florida.
Is that mentioned?
No, because it isn't "racist, xenophobes, nazi, yada yada

Anything that doesn't promote the narrative is ignored. Any Californian can tell Vance that to even mention "immigrants' is to be buried under a pile of "racist, xenophobe, nazi," slurs and allegations.
Sorry folks, California and now several other states can confirm you done wore that out.

Game over, people are wise to the game and aren't buying the "narrative" that noticing or mentioning 20,000 foreign nationals suddenly appearing in their city is "racist, xenophobe" "nazi"

You're kind of all over the place here. What do Californians talking to JD Vance have to do with threats against schools in Florida, and what does mentioning 20,000 thousand foreign nationals suddenly appearing in a city have to do with being a racist, xenophobe, or Nazi? It reads like you put your thoughts into some kind of liberal stereotype-generating iteration of ChatGPT and then posted whatever came out the other end verbatim.

I live in a city which has a large Afghan population that was already around 20,000 before the evacuation of Kabul in 2019, which added about 2,000 more. At no point either before or after the arrival of the newest Afghans were we ever besieged by stories of Afghans eating people's pets or any nonsense like that. They run restaurants, tax preparation services, community outreach/assimilation organizations, grocery stores, butcher shops, etc. They have their own sections in some of the local libraries, with books in their native languages. They seem to be doing relatively okay with assimilation, in the main. Honestly, the only trouble I ever personally had with any of them is when someone accidentally delivered my groceries to an Afghan family in my former apartment complex during the pandemic and they didn't come over and give them to me, perhaps because their English wasn't strong enough yet for them to feel confident interacting with non-Afghans (when I figured out what had happened to the delivery and went over there, they handed them over to me intact, but without saying a word). Other Afghan neighbors of mine, however, included a nice lady who brought boxes of cat food and treats for my cat in exchange for me letting her use my parking space when I didn't need it, and a man who was so happy to be in America where he and his family could be free that they sat on their patio on July 4th and clapped after every single firework (it was adorable), and never missed a chance to greet his neighbors (me, anyone walking by, etc.) in the morning with a "Hello, friend! It is out, isn't it? Have a good day!"

Oooo, scaryyyyy...these people are different than me, and in my city! Better hide my cat, because some jerk on FB might start a rumor that she's in danger from cat-hungry foreigners, that a major presidential candidate will then thoughtlessly amplify... (yet it's the foreigners who are especially dangerous in this context; riiiight).
 
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Absolutely
But the press immediately reported it was Trump stirring up the rabble, "insert...basket of deplorables."
But the fact remains, the person making bomb threats is the only *violence" in Springfield and that is from outside the country.
Not necessarily the only person making bomb threats, but importantly not *from* outside the country, but *in* another country.
*Other than violence to geese and ducks, which is factual as there are now two police reports found of that.
We had random shots fired in our neighborhood. The police came. No evidence. Couldn't find anyone who was shooting. That did not make the people who reported the shots liars.
What shots are we talking about?
 
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I'm not talking about what he's saying, I'm talking about what's being said about him. You and your side are guilty of the very thing that you are complaining about and it's led to actual violence...
First, and I have to keep saying this every day or so it seems, IF what you say could be true then it DOESN'T excuse what he and Vance are saying.

Second, what is being said about Trump is honest opinion, based on innumerable and undeniable facts. Not the outright lies he has been telling you every chance he gets.
 
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He had a Harris Walz sticker on his truck, I have not read anything that said he voted for Trump and you don't know what motivated them.
And neither do you. So don't make up reasons as a means to excuse what Trump is doing.
 
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Bomb threats by *anyone* to generate fear and terror is terrorism.

We don't know who made the ~30 bomb threats in the last few days. It probably isn't one person or coordinated group making all of them.

DeWine didn't say they were from foreign nationals, but from overseas.

"Some of them are coming from one particular country. We think that this is, you know, one more opportunity to mess with the United States. And they’re continuing to do that."

I'll give you three guesses which "one particular country" it could be. (Even Donald Trump can probably get this one right.)

Let's deal with actual facts. Either use the ones available, or wait until we get needed facts.


 
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