Harris-led office, ATF stonewalling probe into 'collusion' with anti-gun group lawsuit: House Oversight chair

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Vice President Kamala Harris is campaigning on what she characterizes as a record of a tough former prosecutor. But a White House office she has "overseen" may have focused less on gun crimes and more on targeting a legal gun manufacturer.

"The American people should be very concerned that, rather than prosecuting criminals, the Biden-Harris White House is colluding with anti-Second Amendment groups, and rather than responding to serious congressional requests with transparency, the White House is choosing to not comply with our request," Rep. James Comer, R-Ky., told Fox News Digital.

Harris-led office, ATF stonewalling probe into 'collusion' with anti-gun group lawsuit: House Oversight chair

The White House anti-gun violence office "overseen" by VP Harris may have focused less on gun crimes and more on targeting a legal gun maker, a House Republican charges.

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ATF whistleblowers sound alarm on Biden admin proposal that effectively bans private gun sales: report​

Whistleblowers at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) are sounding the alarm on a reported 1,300-page draft document that allegedly justifies a proposed rule that would effectively ban private gun sales, according to a watchdog group.

ATF whistleblowers sound alarm on Biden admin proposal that effectively bans private gun sales: report

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives whistleblowers say the agency drafted a 1,300-page document that would effectively ban private gun sales.

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ATF whistleblowers sound alarm on Biden admin proposal that effectively bans private gun sales: report​

Whistleblowers at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) are sounding the alarm on a reported 1,300-page draft document that allegedly justifies a proposed rule that would effectively ban private gun sales, according to a watchdog group.

ATF whistleblowers sound alarm on Biden admin proposal that effectively bans private gun sales: report

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives whistleblowers say the agency drafted a 1,300-page document that would effectively ban private gun sales.

www.foxnews.com

The proposal to require background checks on private gun sales is a good one. It will insure that guns aren't sold to people who aren't allowed to possess them. It will also protect the seller if the gun is used in a future crime and protect the buyer if the gun has been used in a crime in the past. It will not "effectively ban private gun sales" as there's no shortage of licensed gun dealers available to process transactions between private sellers.

 

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It will not "effectively ban private gun sales" as there's no shortage of licensed gun dealers

Do you understand what a private gun sale is?

 

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It will also protect the seller if the gun is used in a future crime and protect the buyer if the gun has been used in a crime in the past.

A simple receipt for the sale will record the sale. Have you ever purchased any used item before? If so, how do you know that it wasn't stolen, or used to commit a murder? How do you protect yourself when buying household items, without a licensed dealer in the middle recording the sale?

 

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Do you understand what a private gun sale is?

Yes, it's the sale of a gun between two individuals. Here are a few examples of why a law requiring background checks when a gun is sold privately is a good idea.

The gunman who killed seven people and injured more than 20 in a shooting rampage around Odessa, Texas, purchased his weapon from a private seller, a transaction that does not require a background check, law enforcement officials told NBC News.

Investigators are now looking into who sold the weapon to 36-year-old Seth Ator, who failed a gun background check in 2014 because, law enforcement officials told NBC News, he had a disqualifying mental health issue.

If the person who sold the gun to Ator knew of his mental health issues, that seller could face criminal charges.

Texas gunman purchased weapon in private sale, which doesn't require background check

Investigators are now looking into who sold the weapon to the gunman, who killed seven people.

www.nbcnews.com

The shooter who killed two people at a St. Louis high school this week bought the rifle used in the attack from a private seller after he was blocked from buying a gun at a licensed dealer, police said Thursday.

“On 10/8/22, the suspect attempted to buy a firearm from a licensed dealer in St. Charles, Missouri. An FBI background check successfully blocked this sale,” St. Louis Police Sgt. Charles Wall said in a statement.

“As a result, the suspect sought out and bought the rifle used in the school shooting from a private seller, who legally purchased the weapon from a federally licensed dealer in December 2020,” the police statement said.

Police did not say why the gunman, Orlando Harris, was blocked from buying a weapon by an FBI background check.

St. Louis school shooter bought gun from private seller after dealer sale was blocked, police say

An FBI background check stopped the shooter, who killed two people, from buying a gun at a licensed dealer, police said.

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Shane James Jr., the former U.S. Army officer accused of killing six people and injuring three in Austin and Bexar County last week, purchased the handgun used in the shootings seven months after his arrest on family assault charges.

James, 34, who authorities have said has a history of mental health issues, used a .45-caliber handgun he purchased in July 2022 in a "private, individual sale," Austin police Sgt. Nathan Sexton said during the nearly one-hour news conference.

At the time of the purchase, James was out on bond from a January 2022 arrest in Bexar County. His bond conditions barred him from purchasing or possessing a firearm, according to court records.

Suspect in Austin shooting rampage bought gun after 2022 assault arrest, police say

Austin police revealed officers took Shane James Jr. into "emergency detention" after an incident at a church in 2018.

www.statesman.com

 

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Do you understand what a private gun sale is?

We all know what a private gun sale is (aka the "gun show loophole"). That's why we think they're a problem.

 

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“As a result, the suspect sought out and bought the rifle used in the school shooting from a private seller, who legally purchased the weapon from a federally licensed dealer in December 2020,” the police statement said.

Good thing that he purchased it, instead of stealing it. That still doesn't really answer my question. Did the pressure cooker bomber buy his pressure cookers through a federally licensed dealer; or did he have an unalienable right to keep and bear pressure cookers?

 

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We all know what a private gun sale is (aka the "gun show loophole"). That's why we think they're a problem.

Have you ever been to a gun show? If so, how many?

 

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Did the pressure cooker bomber buy his pressure cookers through a federally licensed dealer; or did he have an unalienable right to keep and bear pressure cookers?

Pressure cookers aren't designed to inflict bodily harm or to kill. There's no need to regulate pressure cookers.

 

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Have you ever been to a gun show? If so, how many?

That’s not relevant. I mentioned the “gunshow loophole” to demonstrate that we’re aware of what private sales are and that we’re aware of the colloquialism used to describe them. Whether or not that colloquialism is an accurate description of what actually happens at guns shows these days is besides the point.

 

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That’s not relevant. I mentioned the “gunshow loophole” to demonstrate that we’re aware of what private sales are and that we’re aware of the colloquialism used to describe them. Whether or not that colloquialism is an accurate description of what actually happens at guns shows these days is besides the point.

I've been to plenty; and I've bought a few firearms at gun shows. I've never been to a gun show where there were guns for sale from anyone but a FFL holder; and every time that I've purchased from them I've had to submit to a NICS check as required by law.

I'm not sure what all of the hyperbole from the Left is all about.

 

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Pressure cookers aren't designed to inflict bodily harm or to kill. There's no need to regulate pressure cookers.

Neither are firearms. They're designed for target practice. Fact of the matter is that anything can be used as a weapon, if the intent is to use it as a weapon.

 

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I've been to plenty; and I've bought a few firearms at gun shows. I've never been to a gun show where there were guns for sale from anyone but a FFL holder; and every time that I've purchased from them I've had to submit to a NICS check as required by law.

That’s nice. Ostensibly, private sellers at gun shows used to be more common.

I'm not sure what all of the hyperbole from the Left is all about.

The concern is about prohibited individuals circumventing bg checks by going through private sales.

 

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That’s nice. Ostensibly, private sellers at gun shows used to be more common.

When?

The concern is about prohibited individuals circumventing bg checks by going through private sales.

Does that happen more often than when they make their own, or steal them from police officers?

 

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When?

From what I gather, 10+ years ago, before the venues wised up to how exposed to liability they were. But even then, this seems to be pretty regional, with it still being normal-ish in some places.

Either way, still irrelevant to my point.

Does that happen more often than when they make their own, or steal them from police officers?

As of 1997, roughly 40% of criminals got their guns from family and friends. Another 1.7% were from flea markets and gun shows.

Wayback Machine

 

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From what I gather, 10+ years ago, before the venues wised up to how exposed to liability they were. But even then, this seems to be pretty regional, with it still being normal-ish in some places.

Either way, still irrelevant to my point.

I've been going to gun shows for over 30 years. I have attended in both red and blue states. I'm sure that if you dig deep enough you can find some rare anecdote.

Your point was built on gun show loop holes; so it would seem that your point is irrelevant.

 

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As of 1997, roughly 40% of criminals got their guns from family and friends

over 80% of individuals who engaged in shootings stole guns from family member

nij.ojp.gov

 

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Your point was built on gun show loop holes; so it would seem that your point is irrelevant.

No, my point was not “built on gun show loopholes.” My point, as I’ve already explained, was to affirmatively answer your question as to whether we knew what private gun sales were.

 

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No, my point was not “built on gun show loopholes.” My point, as I’ve already explained, was to affirmatively answer your question as to whether we knew what private gun sales were.

Do we know what stolen firearms are? When we figure that out; maybe we can figure out what any of this has to do with gun manufacturers.