Does it ever make you wonder if the scriptures are truly meant for humans?

[timewerx]

"Your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes" - Matthew 5:20

There are accounts in the Bible that had strong parallels in historic astronomical events. It wasn't describing fallen angels with eyes and wings fighting mortal men but two galaxies colliding with one galaxy "victorious" over the other and completely absorbing it.

It seems to paint the picture that celestial bodies are alive in extremely long timescales that we are way too short-lived to observe any evidence of sentience.

If stars could talk, the entire thousands of years of human existence must have only existed with only vowel being enunciated, not even a word! Absolutely nothing to analyze and we'd assume, they're nothing more than lifeless matter in space.

That God and the angels are any one of those massive celestial bodies in space.....If we are created in His image then we'd also be like stars but we are not. We are flesh and bones and limbs then who are we?

Did we simply receive a copy of the scriptures for celestial bodies and decided to adopt it as our own that we humans are the ones it is talking about?

 

[d taylor]

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No, no one who is a born again child of God would think so.

 

[Strong in Him]

Does it ever make you wonder if the scriptures are truly meant for humans?​

Who else would they be for?

 

[timewerx]

Who else would they be for?

"Stars that were cast down to Earth" (as reference to Satan and his fallen angels. The first thing that goes to the mind of a Christian is that it's not a literal.

But to someone familiar with astronomy, Similar events have actually happened in our own galaxy. Stars that were flung out would have come from somewhere, another galaxy. The dragon in the sky would be another galaxy - satan and his *starry* host as worded in the Bible.

If the angels are stars then who are the "men" to whom they came to? And then the scribes trying to fill in the gaps for they have not been truthful in their professions lacking in righteousness.

 

[Strong in Him]

"Stars that were cast down to Earth" (as reference to Satan and his fallen angels.

Why would the Scriptures be for Satan and his angels?
They hate God and are incapable of having a relationship with him.

But to someone familiar with astronomy, Similar events have actually happened in our own galaxy. Stars that were flung out would have come from somewhere, another galaxy. The dragon in the sky would be another galaxy

But that's got nothing to do with who the Scriptures were written for.
You think that all the prophets, the evangelists and the Apostles were writing for Satan and his angels??

If the angels are stars then who are the "men" to whom they came to?

Human beings - men and women, mankind - were created by God.

I don't know what your point is.

 

[timewerx]

Diviners, witches, and sorcerers worked with stars.

If they were just lifeless stars.... But both the Bible and occultist doesn't seem to refer to stars as lifeless objects.

"Nations and their guardian Angels" would be the astronomical equivalent of Solar systems. Earth would just be one of the many "nations" in our galaxy or the whole Solar System being just one nation or Star-planet relationship.

In our solar system, our Sun would be the Egyptian "Ra" and possibly a fallen angel.

Many nations are ruled by fallen angels. Earth is one of them (1 John 5:19)

Are Angels Connected with the Various Nations?

We find from Scripture that there is a connection between angels and the different nations of the world. When the Jews were about to return from captivity,

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[timewerx]

Why would the Scriptures be for Satan and his angels?
They hate God and are incapable of having a relationship with him.

I never said they were.

I still think the scriptures were meant for "humans"

but what are "humans" really. There are things written in the Bible that "humans" may not be flesh and blood. Physical beings but are not us but something else entirely.

Created in the image of God but God isn't flesh and blood.

 

[Strong in Him]

I never said they were.

I still think the scriptures were meant for "humans"

Well of course they were.

but what are "humans" really. There are things written in the Bible that "humans" may not be flesh and blood.

But they are.

Physical beings but are not us

Well I'm certainly human; I don't know about you.

Created in the image of God but God isn't flesh and blood.

"In the image of" doesn't mean "of the same substance as".

 

[d taylor]

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I never said they were.

I still think the scriptures were meant for "humans"

but what are "humans" really. There are things written in the Bible that "humans" may not be flesh and blood. Physical beings but are not us but something else entirely.

Created in the image of God but God isn't flesh and blood.

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Who do you believe Jesus is.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

"Your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes" - Matthew 5:20

There are accounts in the Bible that had strong parallels in historic astronomical events. It wasn't describing fallen angels with eyes and wings fighting mortal men but two galaxies colliding with one galaxy "victorious" over the other and completely absorbing it.

It seems to paint the picture that celestial bodies are alive in extremely long timescales that we are way too short-lived to observe any evidence of sentience.

If stars could talk, the entire thousands of years of human existence must have only existed with only vowel being enunciated, not even a word! Absolutely nothing to analyze and we'd assume, they're nothing more than lifeless matter in space.

That God and the angels are any one of those massive celestial bodies in space.....If we are created in His image then we'd also be like stars but we are not. We are flesh and bones and limbs then who are we?

Did we simply receive a copy of the scriptures for celestial bodies and decided to adopt it as our own that we humans are the ones it is talking about?

It is best to have a deeper understanding of Jewish culture their use of idioms, hyperbole and imagery before jumping to conclusions that are out of this world.
Blessings

 

[eleos1954]

goofy

 

[David Lamb]

"Your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes" - Matthew 5:20

There are accounts in the Bible that had strong parallels in historic astronomical events. It wasn't describing fallen angels with eyes and wings fighting mortal men but two galaxies colliding with one galaxy "victorious" over the other and completely absorbing it.

It seems to paint the picture that celestial bodies are alive in extremely long timescales that we are way too short-lived to observe any evidence of sentience.

If stars could talk, the entire thousands of years of human existence must have only existed with only vowel being enunciated, not even a word! Absolutely nothing to analyze and we'd assume, they're nothing more than lifeless matter in space.

That God and the angels are any one of those massive celestial bodies in space.....If we are created in His image then we'd also be like stars but we are not. We are flesh and bones and limbs then who are we?

Did we simply receive a copy of the scriptures for celestial bodies and decided to adopt it as our own that we humans are the ones it is talking about?

The bible does not says that stars have life, nor that God and the angels are stars. The only verse I could find where angels and stars are linked is this one:

“"The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.” (Re 1:20 NKJV)

However, that was a dream or vision. All the commentaries I have read on Revelation say that the angels of the seven churches are their pastors. Nowhere does the bible say that God is a star, even in a vision.

 

[ariekitten]

I thought God told us He made man and the "heavenly bodies". While I find your assessment of the cosmos to be correct and definitely relevant, He also said He made man. So He wouldn't abandon us, right? The scriptures might be for others than us, but I believe they at least are ALSO for us.

 

[timewerx]

I thought God told us He made man and the "heavenly bodies". While I find your assessment of the cosmos to be correct and definitely relevant, He also said He made man. So He wouldn't abandon us, right? The scriptures might be for others than us, but I believe they at least are ALSO for us.

The very reason it was translated into human language makes it relevant to us!

Still can't help but wonder how closely it parallels celestial events as well as if the stars mirror Biblical events or even mirrors the human struggle.

 

[com7fy8]

I still think the scriptures were meant for "humans"

Yes, for us, but in order to bring us to much better than we now can handle.

"'So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shal accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.'"
(Isaiah 55:11)

God is the One who has His word do all that God Himself is able to do with His word.

but what are "humans" really.

Fallen unless we have trusted in Jesus > Ephesians 1:12.

There are things written in the Bible that "humans" may not be flesh and blood. Physical beings but are not us but something else entirely.

Our bodies are flesh and blood.

Created in the image of God but God isn't flesh and blood.

We are not our bodies. We were made in His image, then fell.

 

[Aaron112]

When so much is misquoted and in such serious errors, it is good that this delusion , and the other delusions, posted in the OP , are and remain in the junk drawer.
Can anyone identify the evil origin of the delusions to some particular false teacher ?

Many nations are ruled by fallen angels. Earth is one of them

 

[timewerx]

Our bodies are flesh and blood.

We are not our bodies. We were made in His image, then fell.

The Bible mentioned angels as stars and "starry hosts" very well describe galaxies and since the "heavenly war" with God vs rebellious angels mirrors major historical intergalactic events, there is strong reason to suggest that angels are indeed stars.

Since angels are also made in the image of God, then it stands to reason we are also like the angels and our real bodies are probably like stars as well.

I think one explanation for the bright light people see in near-death-experiences, they're seeing their real bodies for the first time and it's far bigger than the one we worry about 24/7.

 

[David Lamb]

The Bible mentioned angels as stars and "starry hosts" very well describe galaxies and since the "heavenly war" with God vs rebellious angels mirrors major historical intergalactic events, there is strong reason to suggest that angels are indeed stars.

Since angels are also made in the image of God, then it stands to reason we are also like the angels and our real bodies are probably like stars as well.

I think one explanation for the bright light people see in near-death-experiences, they're seeing their real bodies for the first time and it's far bigger than the one we worry about 24/7.

Sorry, but where in the bible are we told either that the angels are stars, or that the angels are made in the image of God?

 

[com7fy8]

That God and the angels are any one of those massive celestial bodies in space.....

Angels are here with us who are Jesus Christ's people > Hebrews 1:13-14 shows angels are ministering spirits ministering for us who are God's children.

If we are created in His image then we'd also be like stars but we are not. We are flesh and bones and limbs then who are we?

We are spiritual beings living in flesh and blood material bodies.

Did we simply receive a copy of the scriptures for celestial bodies and decided to adopt it as our own that we humans are the ones it is talking about?

The scriptures are for us, with God's meaning which He is producing.