I’m voting for Trump because he’s a white man.

[Offline4Better.]

Look up the impact of Newt Gringrich. He is largely responsible for the adversarial nastiness in American politics.

I have heard about him, as he did some stuff around the turn of the millennium that changed the GOP from being almost the pinnacle bastions of American society and politeness to being just the same personality as the current Democratic party (both sides bicker nowadays). Something about Newt's personality complex changed the political sphere in this country, along with massive corporations and elites for the worst.

Now, we need to figure out which guy made the Democrats become sour. Whomever started popularizing the pro-choice movement and the LGTV movement ruined the Democrats for me. Both parties (left and right) started souring in the 1990s, and became nearly totally rancid in the early 2010s.

 

[Offline4Better.]

I think Coleman Hughes makes a compelling argument that colorblindness is the ideal we should be pursuing (he argues it was MLK's ideal). How we treat others should depend on the person and not their race. How we think about policy should be in terms of class and not race.

“If you want to fight racism, remove race from public policy," Hughes said. "And if you want to fight injustice, do so based on class. And by definition, class policies will disproportionately benefit Blacks and Hispanics because they are disproportionately likely to be poor. That was the position of the Civil Rights Movement.”

Should America be a colorblind society? Debate made me think more deeply about racism.

The debate that emerged out of Coleman Hughes' TED talk wound up being a vital entry into the larger discourse over racial consciousness in America.

www.usatoday.com

Amen to that. We must be colorblind in our society, and treat others with respect and dignity, no matter his/her race. Thank you for telling me about Coleman Hughes. He sounds like a good guy, and he has written for both left wing and right wing newspapers, so he sounds like a centrist to me. He is an atheist though, so pray that Mr. Hughes turns to Christ, though his ideas remind me of Galatians 3:28. Good guy.

Source:

Coleman Hughes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Offline4Better.]

Yes. I would vote for any candidate regardless of their race or skin color. Those qualifications mean absolutely nothing at all to me as well as to every other conservative of whom I am aware. Our votes are not based upon skin color, or personalities. Our votes are based upon a politician's POLICIES, not skin color.

Amen, my brother.

Amen to that. We are both "colorblind", as Coleman Hughes put it, about race when we vote. I do try to vote for politicians with a polite temper, and none of the two have the same level of classiness of politicians of old did from the second half of the 20th century and first few years of the 21st century. Now, one could say Kamala is more classy compared to Trump with her personality, but neither candidate has a good enough policy in my opinion, and both have ties to the elite. The rich rappers at Kamala events, and the oil billionaires backing Trump.

Seems that the rich have bought out all of our politicians except for the 3rd party folks. No longer fair market capitalism at this point. Both the Dems and GOP have been sold out to the highest bidder.

Yes, I am that weird somewhat centrist pro-life guy who supports ethically sourced energy, but at the same time dislikes the woke movement.

 

[Larniavc]

ow, we need to figure out which guy made the Democrats become sour.

Newt Gringrich.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Newt Gringrich.

So, this guy ruined both the Democratic party and Republican party? Dang. He should have never been in politics.

 

[Vambram]

So, this guy ruined both the Democratic party and Republican party? Dang. He should have never been in politics.

I completely disagree about Newt Gingrich. After he became Speaker of the House of Representatives, he led the efforts to forge compromises with President Clinton to come very, very close to balancing the federal budget. Also, Speaker Gingrich began a conservative movement in the House of Representatives which eventually led to the GOP changing over the decades to a party of conservative populism.

 

[Offline4Better.]

I completely disagree about Newt Gingrich. After he became Speaker of the House of Representatives, he led the efforts to forge compromises with President Clinton to come very, very close to balancing the federal budget. Also, Speaker Gingrich began a conservative movement in the House of Representatives which eventually led to the GOP changing over the decades to a party of conservative populism.

I see your point, but his personality again is what gets me. In 2024 and beyond, I would rather vote for someone polite who gets 80% of things done right, vs. someone who is impolite but gets 99% of things done right. Here is my list of the things I want in a politician when I go out and vote, and all five must be met. So far, none of the candidates for 2024 meet these criteria, and the former speaker of the House such as Newt may have only potentially met one or two, maybe three of these categories.

My top characteristics in a candidate:
1. Good policies
2. Potential ability to compromise
3. Must be non-woke, pro-life, though accounting for rare instances such as incest/rape/high risk of death to both individuals
4. Honesty and integrity
5. Well-mannered and classy

 

[Vambram]

I see your point, but his personality again is what gets me. In 2024 and beyond, I would rather vote for someone polite who gets 80% of things done right, vs. someone who is impolite but gets 99% of things done right. Here is my list of the things I want in a politician when I go out and vote, and all five must be met. So far, none of the candidates for 2024 meet these criteria, and the former speaker of the House such as Newt may have only potentially met one or two, maybe three of these categories.

My top characteristics in a candidate:
1. Good policies
2. Potential ability to compromise
3. Must be non-woke, pro-life, though accounting for rare instances such as incest/rape/high risk of death to both individuals
4. Honesty and integrity
5. Well-mannered and classy

Characteristic number 5 is not, in my opinion, going to do a leader any good when facing against leaders that oppose the USA and want to dominate the world.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Characteristic number 5 is not, in my opinion, going to do a leader any good when facing against leaders that oppose the USA and want to dominate the world.

That is true, cos we live in a fallen world. I would trust that no one would want to attack a benevolent POTUS or politician, but given how Russia and China and Hamas are trying to destroy the world, maybe I should change my position. It does kill me inside if I would vote for someone impolite, cos I have always tried to be polite to others.

By the way bro, as we are both Trekkies, today holds a special meaning, as August 30, 2024 was predicted by Deep Space 9's episode "Past Tense". Seems that just like in the show, our world is falling apart, with tension inside our own country (and wars outside, though the episode did not discuss much about outside wars).

 

[Bradskii]

No, I’m expressing support for the white man.

Anyone is free to vote for someone for whatever reason. And you can withold your vote for any reason, however trite. For example, someone may suggest that you don't vote for a candidate because they laugh a lot. Or that maybe they emphasised one aspect of their background one time and then mentioned the other.

Or maybe someone tells you that perhaps you shouldn't vote for a candidate because they raped a woman. Or maybe cheated on their wife. And said derogatory things about sexually assaulting women on tape.

It's up to you.

 

[Hammster]

Anyone is free to vote for someone for whatever reason. And you can withold your vote for any reason, however trite. For example, someone may suggest that you don't vote for a candidate because they laugh a lot. Or that maybe they emphasised one aspect of their background one time and then mentioned the other.

Or maybe someone tells you that perhaps you shouldn't vote for a candidate because they raped a woman. Or maybe cheated on their wife. And said derogatory things about sexually assaulting women on tape.

It's up to you.

Gee, thanks.

 

[Bradskii]

Gee, thanks.

For giving you the reasons why you should not vote for someone? Hey, you knew those already. Whether you think they are valid is up to you. And you know that as well.

 

[A2SG]

I watched a few man-on-the-street videos yesterday where the interviewer asked Harris supporters what things she has done, or what policies of hers they support, etc. None could answer. But some said they were voting for her because she’s a black woman. So if that’s okay, then it should be okay for me to vote for Trump because he’s a white man.

And it absolutely is. 100%. You have every right to vote for a person based on their color or their sex if that's your choice.

Is that your argument here? That people have the right to vote for, or against, someone, purely based only on the color of their skin or what genitals they have? If so, good on you, you've met that goal.

Congrats.

-- A2SG, have fun voting!

 

[Ana the Ist]

Seems like a legit reason to me.

Aren't we all? Like....even the non-white, non-man voters?

 

[Ana the Ist]

That statement would not get you sent to jail. It might make you lose all your friends and job, though.

So much for white privilege.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Here is the real question: What if Donald Trump was black, and Kamala was white? Would some conservative folks still vote for a black Trump over a white Kamala, or would some Trump supporters "defect to the other side" to vote for a white version of Kamala?

Kamala would only be white if Biden was black.

You're not thinking about how this works lol.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Think about the flak Mr Obama got for wearing a tan suit.

He got flack for wearing a tan suit?

 

[rjs330]

So, this guy ruined both the Democratic party and Republican party? Dang. He should have never been in politics.

Yeah he was as close to the devil as possible. The great triumvirate of evil, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and Donald Trump.

 

[christian-surfer]

Yeah he was as close to the devil as possible. The great triumvirate of evil, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and Donald Trump.

Obama jailed whistleblowers for trying to expose CIA torture programs and attacked civilians with drones. Colonel west calls him a war criminal as does amnesty international where they refer to the Bush/Obama doctrine

 

[Ana the Ist]

Obama jailed whistleblowers for trying to expose CIA torture programs and attacked civilians with drones. Colonel west calls him a war criminal as does amnesty international where they refer to the Bush/Obama doctrine

Of course he is lol...they're all war criminals.