I’m voting for Trump because he’s a white man.

[Offline4Better.]

I see the immediate and most pressing issue as preserving the democratic process of free and fair elections for future generations by not allowing an autocratic cult takeover of government. We need to vote against Trump and for Harris to ensure that a government for the people and by the people will endure.

I do understand. Plus hey, I do want to be given the choice of voting 3rd party in 2028 in a free and fair (and vetted) election, so I see why voting for Harris in 2024 might be a good idea. So, I will have to mull that one over, but I could still vote for 3rd party in 2024, cos others around me will vote for Harris.

In other words, I'll let others do the heavy lifting.

 

[Larniavc]

What if Donald Trump was black, and Kamala was white?

Think about the flak Mr Obama got for wearing a tan suit. Now imagine if Mr Obama did all the nefarious deeds Mr Trump actual did.

How exactly do you think the conservative sphere would have reacted?

That’s your answer right there.

 

[childeye 2]

No, I’m expressing support for the white man. You are the one mentioning that she’s non-white.

I didn't mention it, you did. See this---> Hammster said: But she’s not a white man.

 

[Hammster]

Think about the flak Mr Obama got for wearing a tan suit. Now imagine if Mr Obama did all the nefarious deeds Mr Trump actual did.

How exactly do you think the conservative sphere would have reacted?

That’s your answer right there.

I don’t understand your point.

 

[Hammster]

I didn't mention it, you did. See this---> Hammster said: But she’s not a white man. Not white = Non-white.

I said she’s not a white man.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Think about the flak Mr Obama got for wearing a tan suit. Now imagine if Mr Obama did all the nefarious deeds Mr Trump actual did.

How exactly do you think the conservative sphere would have reacted?

That’s your answer right there.

Obama would have probably been thrown in jail within a day after committing those deeds in this hypothetical scenario. Also, tan suits may not look that good, but there is nothing inherently wrong with wearing one, so the flak was unnecessary. It is sad why people in the 2010s-2020s make a big deal out of everything, that a mere 20 years ago would have been overlooked. I feel that social media has a role in this stuff.

 

[childeye 2]

I said she’s not a white man.

I know. I'm on the record saying this:

childeye 2 said:
I agree, you didn't say anything racist, but you did express negative prejudice against non-white women in post #12.
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Any reasoning based on a falsehood ends in a contradiction.
Let's face it, you were trying to use a facetious means to insinuate that people were voting for Kamala because of her skin color and she's a female, which is why you ended up in a contradiction when you REPLIED to a SERIOUS POSTER who said --->

Bradskii said:
You have to do what you think is right. If I was voting I'd be voting for Harris because she has values that I support.

 

[Hammster]

I know. I'm on the record saying this:

childeye 2 said:
I agree, you didn't say anything racist, but you did express negative prejudice against non-white women in post #12.
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Any reasoning based on a falsehood ends in a contradiction.
Let's face it, you were trying to use a facetious means to insinuate that people were voting for Kamala because of her skin color and she's a female, which is why you ended up in a contradiction when you REPLIED to a SERIOUS POSTER who said --->

Bradskii said:
You have to do what you think is right. If I was voting I'd be voting for Harris because she has values that I support.

Saying that she’s not a white man isn’t expressing prejudice. It’s a fact. Me wanting to vote this time for a white man says nothing about the opponent. All it’s saying is that I facetiously chose one characteristic.

 

[Larniavc]

I feel that social media has a role in this stuff.

Look up the impact of Newt Gringrich. He is largely responsible for the adversarial nastiness in American politics.

 

[childeye 2]

Saying that she’s not a white man isn’t expressing prejudice. It’s a fact. Me wanting to vote this time for a white man says nothing about the opponent. All it’s saying is that I facetiously chose one characteristic.

I understand that you're jesting about voting for a white male. But when our jesting is treated as serious, and we respond with more jesting, then we're going to end up in a contradiction. Do you know why? Because God's Word is a real power and we're not treating others as ourselves when we're not forthright with others.

Which is why you should not vote for Trump. His speeches are full of ad hominem attacks and contrary to the Word of God.

 

[Hammster]

I understand that you're jesting about voting for a white male. But when our jesting is treated as serious, and we respond with more jesting, then we're going to end up in a contradiction. Do you know why? Because God's Word is a real power and we're not treating others as ourselves when we're not forthright with others.

Which is why you should not vote for Trump. His speeches are full of ad hominem attacks and contrary to the Word of God.

I’m am perfectly within my right to vote for the person who I think will be best for mine and my family’s best interest.

 

[public hermit]

Here is the real question: What if Donald Trump was black, and Kamala was white? Would some conservative folks still vote for a black Trump over a white Kamala, or would some Trump supporters "defect to the other side" to vote for a white version of Kamala? Conversely, would a Democrat vote for a black version of Donald Trump simply because he is black? This stuff is genuinely confusing to me.

I wish we could live in a world where there was no mention of skin color. As a brown man himself, raised by two white parents (I was adopted from Europe), I do not really think of my skin color, cos it just seems normal.

I think Coleman Hughes makes a compelling argument that colorblindness is the ideal we should be pursuing (he argues it was MLK's ideal). How we treat others should depend on the person and not their race. How we think about policy should be in terms of class and not race.

“If you want to fight racism, remove race from public policy," Hughes said. "And if you want to fight injustice, do so based on class. And by definition, class policies will disproportionately benefit Blacks and Hispanics because they are disproportionately likely to be poor. That was the position of the Civil Rights Movement.”

Should America be a colorblind society? Debate made me think more deeply about racism.

The debate that emerged out of Coleman Hughes' TED talk wound up being a vital entry into the larger discourse over racial consciousness in America.

www.usatoday.com

 

[childeye 2]

I’m am perfectly within my right to vote for the person who I think will be best for mine and my family’s best interest.

Of course, but only because in a government by the people and for the people we all have the right to vote for who we think can be entrusted with power.

However, when a candidate who lies and breaks the law by trying to defraud Americans to stay in power through setting up fake electors, and who also has followers who don't care that he lies, cheats, and steals, that candidate is a danger to democracy. Therefore, the immediate matter of urgency is making sure we preserve the democratic process of free and fair elections for future generations by not letting an autocratic cult takeover of government.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Seems like a legit reason to me.

Sad. It is hard to understand why people would vote for a convicted felon who has practiced fraud for decades (taxes, Trump University, Trump Foundation), has 6 bankruptcies, is an adjudicated rapist, and has lied repeatedly.

Among those voting for Trump are the white nationalists. They didn't react well when Trump was found guilty of 34 felonies:
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/07/far-right-white-nationalists-trump-verdict

I bet misogynists are all in for Trump.
Edit to add that I realize the white nationalists and misogynist are just groups within those voting for Trump. I am not implying the OP is in either group.

In contrast, I am voting for Harris. She is intelligent (much more than Trump), educated and knows the law. Having a person as president who respects the rule of law is important. The white man running for office doesn't.
Her experiences as AG in California are impressive. Such as:

Kamala Harris - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In 2011, Harris obtained two of the largest recoveries in the history of California's False Claims Act over excess state Medi-Cal and federal Medicare payments.[60][61] In 2012, she leveraged California's economic clout to obtain better terms in the National Mortgage Settlement against the nation's five largest mortgage servicers.[62] Harris worked with Assembly speaker John Pérez and Senate President pro tem Darrell Steinberg in 2013 to introduce the Homeowner Bill of Rights, considered one of the strongest protections nationwide against aggressive foreclosure tactics.[63] In 2013, she declined to authorize a civil complaint against OneWest Bank, owned by an investment group headed by Steven Mnuchin (then a private citizen);[64] Harris was later criticized for accepting a donation from Mnuchin.[65] In 2015, Harris obtained a $1.2 billion judgment against for-profit Corinthian Colleges for false advertising and deceptive marketing targeting vulnerable, low-income students and misrepresenting job placement rates to students, investors, and accreditation agencies.[66].....​

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In February 2012, Harris announced an agreement with Apple, Amazon, Google, Hewlett-Packard, Microsoft, Research in Motion, and Facebook to mandate that apps sold in their stores display prominent privacy policies informing users of what private information they were sharing, and with whom.[70][71] In 2015, Harris secured two settlements with Comcast totaling $59 million over allegations that it posted online the names, phone numbers and addresses of tens of thousands of customers, and discarded paper records without first omitting or redacting private customer information.[72]​

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In 2012, Harris announced that the California Department of Justice had improved its DNA testing capabilities, clearing California's DNA backlog for the first time.[94] In 2015, she conducted a 90-day review of implicit bias in policing and police use of deadly force. In April 2015, Harris introduced the first-of-its-kind "Principled Policing: Procedural Justice and Implicit Bias" training to help law enforcement officers overcome barriers to neutral policing and rebuild trust between law enforcement and the public.[95] The same year, the California Department of Justice became the nation's first statewide agency to require all its police officers to wear body cameras.[96] In 2016, Harris announced a patterns and practices investigation into purported civil rights violations and use of excessive force by the two largest law enforcement agencies in Kern County, California.[97]​

Harris is for the people and for the rule of law.

That white man is for himself and does not respect the law despite his claims.


*yes, I know the real reason this thread was started.

 

[Hammster]

Of course, but only because in a government by the people and for the people we all have the right to vote for who we think can be entrusted with power.

However, when a candidate who lies and breaks the law by trying to defraud Americans to stay in power through setting up fake electors, and who also has followers who don't care that he lies, cheats, and steals, that candidate is a danger to democracy. Therefore, the immediate matter of urgency is making sure we preserve the democratic process of free and fair elections for future generations by not letting an autocratic cult takeover of government.

And I still think that person is better for my family.

 

[Vambram]

Here is the real question: What if Donald Trump was black, and Kamala was white? Would some conservative folks still vote for a black Trump over a white Kamala, or would some Trump supporters "defect to the other side" to vote for a white version of Kamala? Conversely, would a Democrat vote for a black version of Donald Trump simply because he is black? This stuff is genuinely confusing to me.

Yes. I would vote for any candidate regardless of their race or skin color. Those qualifications mean absolutely nothing at all to me as well as to every other conservative of whom I am aware. Our votes are not based upon skin color, or personalities. Our votes are based upon a politician's POLICIES, not skin color.

I wish we could live in a world where there was no mention of skin color. As a brown man himself, raised by two white parents (I was adopted from Europe), I do not really think of my skin color, cos it just seems normal.

Amen, my brother.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Here is the real question: What if Donald Trump was black, and Kamala was white? Would some conservative folks still vote for a black Trump over a white Kamala, or would some Trump supporters "defect to the other side" to vote for a white version of Kamala? Conversely, would a Democrat vote for a black version of Donald Trump simply because he is black? This stuff is genuinely confusing to me.

I wish we could live in a world where there was no mention of skin color. As a brown man himself, raised by two white parents (I was adopted from Europe), I do not really think of my skin color, cos it just seems normal.

Well what's the difference between the orange man and a black man? Orange man bad, until he's the white man who's bad... Lol

Skin color doesn't make the man... But rather who he is and what he stands for etc.

People didn't like Obama because he was Marxist and had horrible policies and they don't like Communism either in 2024...

It's not the skin. It's the policies. Face it, the left can't say anything but to say it really really bothers them when poor people are safe and not hungry as they are lifted out of poverty with a chance at a future and when bombs aren't raining down on people's heads overseas.

That's why they mention skin all the time, their real policies positions hurt real people in real time so they have to sit and obfuscate the truth.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Well what's the difference between the orange man and a black man? Orange man bad, until he's the white man who's bad... Lol

Skin color doesn't make the man... But rather who he is and what he stands for etc.

People didn't like Obama because he was Marxist and had horrible policies and they don't like Communism either in 2024...

It's not the skin. It's the policies. Face it, the left can't say anything but to say it really really bothers them when poor people are safe and not hungry as they are lifted out of poverty with a chance at a future and when bombs aren't raining down on people's heads overseas.

That's why they mention skin all the time, their real policies positions hurt real people in real time so they have to sit and obfuscate the truth.

Dems are not communists. They are capitalists. Learn the difference.

And there was a ton of racist comments about the Obamas by the Tea Party. It was incredible. Examples

GOP official apologizes for Obama chimp email

A California Republican official who sent out an e-mail picturing President Barack Obama's face on the body of a baby chimpanzee issued an apology late Monday.

www.nbcnews.com

Check the image in the article.

Then there was this:

The monkey thing was particularly bad. When I was young, a man in the church we attended actually said that white people were created by God but black people descended from apes. wow! We left. Picturing Barack and Michelle as a pimp and a ho was disgusting. Birtherism was racist. Calling Michelle "him" or "he" was racist.


The Democratic Party is the one that looks to help people. The Republican Party helps the very rich.

 

[Belk]

Seems like a legit reason to me.

If that is what you feel to be important. The principle of one man on vote is predicated on the idea we each get to decide for ourselves what we prioritize in our representatives.

 

[wing2000]

It's not the skin. It's the policies.

I naively thought that too until Barack Obama was elected President. Some of the responses I saw on social media from my home community in PA were revealing....

And Donald Trump played on Obama's background....starting with the birther nonsense ...and references to "Barack HUSSEIN Obama".....all in the service of conveying Obama is "not one of us".

I fully expect Trump will do the same with Harris.