My struggle with bibles

[Xeno.of.athens]

The main topic is basically the Catholic bible vs the Protestant one. Which not surprisingly turned out to be an argument of Catholic vs Protestant in general.

Not exactly, Jewish Tanak is mentioned as well as some Protestant translations which do not offer the Deuterocanon. But the NRSV, RSV, ESV, GNB, NLT are protestant bibles that do offer the Deuterocanon, and I quite like them.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Indeed - my point was merely they are easier to escape than the other cults, since they won’t try to separate you from your family, or at least haven’t been known for doing that, yet, although given how unstable they are, and the wide disparity in belief and practices between their different congregations, I should not be surprised if an individual UUA parish were to attempt it.



An Orthodox Bible should also I think be something you would find useful in this respect, in that indeed, the Byzantine Rite Catholics and Eastern Orthodox use the same Bibles. The main reason for using one of ours, namely, the Orthodox Study BIble, would be to compare the Septuagint to the Vulgate Old Testament (the Douai Rheims includes a translation of St. Jerome’s translation of the Septuagint Psalter, which lacks Psalm 151 but otherwise matches the Psalter used by the Orthodox). The differences in what is regarded as canonical are extremely minor. Now, obviously, I don’t imagine you would need to do this, but in general, I use Catholic Bibles for convenience because I desire access to this material, and I also am very happy with the Psalter in the Challoner Douai-Rheims Bible.

I also particularly like the Knox Bible (which is a Catholic Bible, no connection to John Knox, the extremely anti-Catholic and in my opinion somewhat disagreeable founder of Scottish Presbyterianism).

I have a printed copy of The Orthodox Study Bible and use it for its OT text. The NT seems to be the NKJV which is quite good.

 

[The Liturgist]

I have a printed copy of The Orthodox Study Bible and use it for its OT text. The NT seems to be the NKJV which is quite good.

Splendid. I was hoping you might have it; I think its rather good and of interest to Roman Catholics, since Orthodox and Catholic theology are substantially in agreement.

I have it in both print and ebook form.

 

[AlexB23]

I have a printed copy of The Orthodox Study Bible and use it for its OT text. The NT seems to be the NKJV which is quite good.

That is good, and it is good that the NT is the NKJV. Is there any jarring change of writing style from going between the OT and NT in the OSB?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

That is good, and it is good that the NT is the NKJV. Is there any jarring change of writing style from going between the OT and NT in the OSB?

Not especially. The overall style is either the same or so similar as makes no difference.

 

[The Liturgist]

Not exactly, Jewish Tanak is mentioned as well as some Protestant translations which do not offer the Deuterocanon. But the NRSV, RSV, ESV, GNB, NLT are protestant bibles that do offer the Deuterocanon, and I quite like them.

Also the KJV, in its full edition, has the books your church regards as Deuterocanonical, because the Anglicans read them in the Divine Office and also increasingly at other times, for example from Ecclesiasticus / Sirach “Honor a Physician” is read as the first lesson at the Eucharist on the feast of St. Luke for obvious reasons.

By the way, it might interest you to know that in contrast to your church or the Anglican church, the Orthodox regard these books as Protocanonical, and some of them, owing to their use in the liturgy, are more important to us than some books considered to be protocanonical in the West. In Orthodoxy, all of Scripture is in one sense important, but in another sense different books are of different importance relative to each other, with the Scripture that is used in the liturgy being obviously more important than that which is not, and the Gospels receive pride of place. We read the Old Testament at Vespers, Vesperal Divine Liturgies and the Presanctified Liturgy of St. Gregory, which is related to the Mass of the Presanctified (the text is extremely similiar) in the ore-1955 Roman Missal, and also i think in the 1969 missal; some changes made by Pope Pius XII were subsequently reverted, whereas others were not.

 

[The Liturgist]

Not especially. The overall style is either the same or so similar as makes no difference.

Indeed, I can second that.

 

[AlexB23]

Not especially. The overall style is either the same or so similar as makes no difference.

Thank you. I might check it out on the Bible Gateway website.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Also the KJV, in its full edition, has the books your church regards as Deuterocanonical, because the Anglicans read them in the Divine Office and also increasingly at other times, for example from Ecclesiasticus / Sirach “Honor a Physician” is read as the first lesson at the Eucharist on the feast of St. Luke for obvious reasons.

By the way, it might interest you to know that in contrast to your church or the Anglican church, the Orthodox regard these books as Protocanonical, and some of them, owing to their use in the liturgy, are more important to us than some books considered to be protocanonical in the West. In Orthodoxy, all of Scripture is in one sense important, but in another sense different books are of different importance relative to each other, with the Scripture that is used in the liturgy being obviously more important than that which is not, and the Gospels receive pride of place. We read the Old Testament at Vespers, Vesperal Divine Liturgies and the Presanctified Liturgy of St. Gregory, which is related to the Mass of the Presanctified (the text is extremely similiar) in the ore-1955 Roman Missal, and also i think in the 1969 missal; some changes made by Pope Pius XII were subsequently reverted, whereas others were not.

Catholics regard them as canonical and use Deuterocanon in discussions with Protestants (mainly) so that the exact books can be differentiated from other books that Catholics do not regard as canonical but do receive as valuable.

 

[Servus]

I don't. This thread is not Catholic Vs Protestant. It's about bibles!

Sure.

 

[The Liturgist]

Thank you. I might check it out on the Bible Gateway website.

I don’t think they have it. But Scribd does.

 

[AV1611VET]

Isn't idolatry a mortal sin?

If so, why was this passage ...

2 Maccabees 12:40 And they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain.

... treated as a venial sin?

 

[AlexB23]

I don’t think they have it. But Scribd does.

Doesn't Scribd require logins? I avoid that site.

 

[RandyPNW]

I can more or less agree with this. (Just to show I'm not on auto-contrarian mode.)

Thank you.... That's one nervous habit we all need to break!

 

[The Liturgist]

Doesn't Scribd require logins? I avoid that site.

Actually, correction, its on Everand, which unlike Scribd is not free to use, whereas Scribd can be accessed for free, but recently they split the e-books off from the PDFs, which was a huge pain because all the subscribers had to download a second app, and our Saved Lists became bifurcated between the two apps (which is terrible programming, by the way).

 

[AlexB23]

Actually, correction, its on Everand, which unlike Scribd is not free to use, whereas Scribd can be accessed for free, but recently they split the e-books off from the PDFs, which was a huge pain because all the subscribers had to download a second app, and our Saved Lists became bifurcated between the two apps (which is terrible programming, by the way).

That is what happens when you get large companies that have control over the market. Open-source technology could be better for hosting these pages. That is why I like the Internet Archive.

 

[The Liturgist]

That is what happens when you get large companies that have control over the market. Open-source technology could be better for hosting these pages. That is why I like the Internet Archive.

I agree, but the Orthodox Study Bible is proprietary, but one can obtain it from a variety of providers, and one can easily get someone to provide it as a gift if one cannot afford it. And I don’t mind paying for ebook services because the cost of the subscriptions is less than what I used to spend at Borders back before their 2011 bankruptcy.

 

[AlexB23]

I agree, but the Orthodox Study Bible is proprietary, but one can obtain it from a variety of providers, and one can easily get someone to provide it as a gift if one cannot afford it. And I don’t mind paying for ebook services because the cost of the subscriptions is less than what I used to spend at Borders back before their 2011 bankruptcy.

Awesome. That works. How come I saw a 12,000 page document of the OSB by some church?

 

[The Liturgist]

Awesome. That works. How come I saw a 12,000 page document of the OSB by some church?

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Woah, I don’t think its 12,000 pages long…

 

[AlexB23]

Woah, I don’t think its 12,000 pages long…

No idea why, probably double spaced. Not gonna click on that link, cos I do not want my laptop to implode