The times demand serious economic ideas. Harris supplies gimmicks.

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Your perceived gnostic abilities are in the fritz.

Oh yeah? You don't support this guy?


If you want a grand policy debate it would make sense to support a candidate with some actual policy's.

 

[stevevw]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/08/16/harris-economy-plan-gimmicks/

Vice President Kamala Harris’s speech Friday was an opportunity to get specific with voters about how a Harris presidency would manage an economy that many feel is not working well for them. Unfortunately, instead of delivering a substantial plan, she squandered the moment on populist gimmicks.

What I find very telling with all the appeal and popularist politics with Harris, the Left and their supporters is that when you ask them to name something great about Harris in the last 4 years as to why they are supporting her and they are stumped. They cannot name 1 thing.

Thats telling as it reaks of ideology, or identity politics where its all about the feel good factor and identity and nothing else.

The other thing I am noticing as part of the continued gas lighting by the Left of the American people is that when Harris is presented, on her website and at the DNC she is portrayed as though she is a completely different person from the Harris who was VP. As though her past has disappeared.

This is part of the Lefts identity ideology where they recreate reality hoping people don't notice. The Leftist media has gone along denying her past and manipulating headlines to be in favor of Harris as the new savior of society. Rish elites coming on stage to talk about how its all about hope. Like they want a second chance to fix up the mess they made.

What they don't realise is that stating that people are so desperate and down at the moment that they need hope actually points the finger back onto themselves as the cause of people losing hope.

Harris promising to bring down the price of living and fix the borders like she just suddenly realised theres a problem and she already had 4 years to fix them. In fact realising that it was her own parties policies that have caused the problems in the first place.

That gaslighting on a mega scale and the concerning thing about it is that they are so blind to see that. Thats scary.

 

[Pommer]

What I find very telling with all the appeal and popularist politics with Harris, the Left and their supporters is that when you ask them to name something great about Harris in the last 4 years as to why they are supporting her and they are stumped. They cannot name 1 thing.

Thats telling as it reaks of ideology, or identity politics where its all about the feel good factor and identity and nothing else.

The other thing I am noticing as part of the continued gas lighting by the Left of the American people is that when Harris is presented, on her website and at the DNC she is portrayed as though she is a completely different person from the Harris who was VP. As though her past has disappeared.

Her whole campaign isn’t just that “she isn’t Trump”, but it’s a good seventy-five percent. Most people don’t care this cycle for solid reasons the other 25% might be (or not), “important”.

This is part of the Lefts identity ideology where they recreate reality hoping people don't notice. The Leftist media has gone along denying her past and manipulating headlines to be in favor of Harris as the new savior of society. Rish elites coming on stage to talk about how its all about hope. Like they want a second chance to fix up the mess they made.

Why is she suddenly so “popular”? She’s not Trump and she’s not Biden and could probably do the job better than either, at this point.

What they don't realise is that stating that people are so desperate and down at the moment that they need hope actually points the finger back onto themselves as the cause of people losing hope.

This presupposes that a function of a legitimate journalistIc endeavor is to get us to “feel things”.
Some might reject that line of argument.

Harris promising to bring down the price of living and fix the borders like she just suddenly realised theres a problem and she already had 4 years to fix them. In fact realising that it was her own parties policies that have caused the problems in the first place.

Yes people base their campaign on what they would do if elected, (and how they will “save you” from “the other-side”). The “why hasn’t she said anything”? line is disingenuous, why did she need to opine her policy-opinion, she was just the Vice-President.

The era of politicians proactively proclaiming policy positions peters out, because the politics isn’t driven by ideology anymore but “what’s popular”. (Which is same-as-it-ever-was, but had a bit more bloom on the rose.)

That gaslighting on a mega scale and the concerning thing about it is that they are so blind to see that. Thats scary.

tl;dr probably should go up tops but mine is “media fails to do it’s job correctly, again”.

Okay, that’s a valid opinion to hold if you want to argue that.

 

[Hammster]

Why is she suddenly so “popular”? She’s not Trump and she’s not Biden and could probably do the job better than either, at this point

She wasn’t Trump or Biden July 1, and she had dismal approval ratings. The only change has been that she’s now the candidate. That’s it. So it’s 100% that she’s not Trump.

 

[A2SG]

She wasn’t Trump or Biden July 1, and she had dismal approval ratings. The only change has been that she’s now the candidate. That’s it. So it’s 100% that she’s not Trump.

For many, that's enough.

And, if polling numbers are anything to go by, "many" includes quite a lot of voters.

-- A2SG, so it looks like Donny may garner less votes than his opponent for the third time in a row....

 

[stevevw]

Her whole campaign isn’t just that “she isn’t Trump”, but it’s a good seventy-five percent. Most people don’t care this cycle for solid reasons the other 25% might be (or not), “important”.

Yes I think that is true as mentioned the DNC mentions Trump 393 times and most of it was bashing Trump and not about policy..

Why is she suddenly so “popular”? She’s not Trump and she’s not Biden and could probably do the job better than either, at this point.

Who knows. But we can and do know her policies and they are Leftist and socialist ideology. We have seen similar policy being implemented in places and it is not good.

But they don't want people to stop and lift the lid and look closely at what they asctually stand for. Thats why their own voters don't know. All they have is to make it all about how evil Trump.

This presupposes that a function of a legitimate journalistIc endeavor is to get us to “feel things”.
Some might reject that line of argument.

Actually its just self evident fact that they don't even realise they are exposing about themselves and their misrepresentation of reality. If they say that people need hope then they are also saying that people have been put in a position of needing hope.

In other words the reason they need hope is because the Left put them there to be needing hope. Now the hope taker is offering that hope back by pretending that the same party is different now and will make it all better. Its not the journalists its from the parties own words.

We are the ones who are offering hope, hope of a better cost of living, hope of better immigration policies, hope of a better economy, of less crime and violence. Yet they are the ones that have caused all this that people should now live in hope of things getting better. Thats the ultimate gaslighting of people.

Yes people base their campaign on what they would do if elected, (and how they will “save you” from “the other-side”). The “why hasn’t she said anything”? line is disingenuous, why did she need to opine her policy-opinion, she was just the Vice-President.

Because even a vice president should be as though they are president in waiting. The fact that they want to deminish her to virtually nothing as VP just shows the disrespect for office. But even as VP you would think that these new and sudden idea policies she would at least mention them if they are so good for the party now.

But its not just policy, its engament with people on the issues that concern them like the border. She could not articulate a coherent position on the border and immigration. I don't care which position a polititian occupies but I would expect that we should know their policy positions considering they represent the people.

But putting that all aside still she has not done an interview on policy as VP nominee. That is rediculous considering that some of the postal voting begins soon. Are they hoping to fool people before we get to know exactly what her positions are. It seems undemocractic to me. Like they are scared of what might happen like with Biden. Seems staged and that is exactly what the Left do, its all narrative and theatre.

The era of politicians proactively proclaiming policy positions peters out, because the politics isn’t driven by ideology anymore but “what’s popular”. (Which is same-as-it-ever-was, but had a bit more bloom on the rose.)

I guess so. I think its way more theatre now. Which is a pity and perhaps why governments are failing around the world.

tl;dr probably should go up tops but mine is “media fails to do it’s job correctly, again”.

Maybe but I think the media is just the tool, the extention of the ideology. Ideology in that its not that the media is just reporting anymore but that politic now being more an ideology or creeping into belief its permeating all areas of society, our institutions, corporations so of course the media who are basically corporations and state agents in the end.

Thats if you want to get anywhere under the State. Thats why many independent medias have been popping up as they are trying to bypass the bias. But traditionally I think most media is Left and they just follow the States narrative because they believe in it.

Okay, that’s a valid opinion to hold if you want to argue that.

It concerns many that most people don't see this. Thats why ideological differences are so interesting. You can have two completely opposite positions and people truely believe that they are right and hold the truth and the other is definitely wrong.

That is why if we step back and apply this to any other situation we would say that these ideological positions are both unreal and even dangerous because as we know from examples such as religion or even various life scams or cults that anyone who believes they hold the truth regardless of other opinions or beliefs or objective reality is in fact not the holder of truth and reality and more likely to be deluded and cause harm to others.

We don't need to go into any of the rational about who is right or has the best policies or ideology. Just the fact that two opposing sides both claim the truth and the other is wrong to the point of life and death is enough to render both sides not to be trusted.

 

[Hammster]

For many, that's enough.

And, if polling numbers are anything to go by, "many" includes quite a lot of voters.

-- A2SG, so it looks like Donny may garner less votes than his opponent for the third time in a row....

Please keep looking at the polls. I encourage you to not take your eyes off.

 

[stevevw]

She wasn’t Trump or Biden July 1, and she had dismal approval ratings. The only change has been that she’s now the candidate. That’s it. So it’s 100% that she’s not Trump.

I think its more than that. Don't underestimate the power of the Lefts ideological over reach on their own kind. To them reality is a social construction through narratives, language and words. Thats why we hear words like joy or weird and hope.

So they truely believe their own narratives. Kamala is being recreated through the narrative as we speak. Her old radical left self is being transformed through feelings and words.

Because to the Left the narrative, the identity is reality then it follows that just as they are fooling others they are also fooling themselves to the point they truely believe in the recreation of Harris into a new reality and the party with it.

Its the ability to see beyond that and to keep bursting that ideological bubble by bringing them back to reality with facts and policy. Exposing them with their own words in the past. Playing the same game back on the ideologues.

Afterall they did the same with Biden. He wasn't cognitively declining and dribbling about incoherent rumblings. He was as sharp as a tack remember. They got awat with it until reality came and bit them on stage in front of the nation.

 

[A2SG]

Please keep looking at the polls. I encourage you to not take your eyes off.

I've kept a cursory eye on them, bur I'm more interested in the actual election in November. I suspect that's when we'll see really big numbers for Kamala Harris.

-- A2SG, and Donny do his usual complaining about stolen elections without a hint of evidence...

 

[Hammster]

I've kept a cursory eye on them, bur I'm more interested in the actual election in November. I suspect that's when we'll see really big numbers for Kamala Harris.

-- A2SG, and Donny do his usual complaining about stolen elections without a hint of evidence...

Okay, then keep a cursory eye on them.

 

[A2SG]

Okay, then keep a cursory eye on them.

Yes, sir!

-- A2SG, is there a salute emoji?

 

[Pommer]

She wasn’t Trump or Biden July 1, and she had dismal approval ratings. The only change has been that she’s now the candidate. That’s it. So it’s 100% that she’s not Trump.

Sure. I’m glad we could agree.

 

[Pommer]

Yes I think that is true as mentioned the DNC mentions Trump 393 times and most of it was bashing Trump and not about policy..

Who knows. But we can and do know her policies and they are Leftist and socialist ideology. We have seen similar policy being implemented in places and it is not good.

But they don't want people to stop and lift the lid and look closely at what they asctually stand for. Thats why their own voters don't know. All they have is to make it all about how evil Trump.

Actually its just self evident fact that they don't even realise they are exposing about themselves and their misrepresentation of reality. If they say that people need hope then they are also saying that people have been put in a position of needing hope.

In other words the reason they need hope is because the Left put them there to be needing hope. Now the hope taker is offering that hope back by pretending that the same party is different now and will make it all better. Its not the journalists its from the parties own words.

We are the ones who are offering hope, hope of a better cost of living, hope of better immigration policies, hope of a better economy, of less crime and violence. Yet they are the ones that have caused all this that people should now live in hope of things getting better. Thats the ultimate gaslighting of people.

Because even a vice president should be as though they are president in waiting. The fact that they want to deminish her to virtually nothing as VP just shows the disrespect for office. But even as VP you would think that these new and sudden idea policies she would at least mention them if they are so good for the party now.

But its not just policy, its engament with people on the issues that concern them like the border. She could not articulate a coherent position on the border and immigration. I don't care which position a polititian occupies but I would expect that we should know their policy positions considering they represent the people.

But putting that all aside still she has not done an interview on policy as VP nominee. That is rediculous considering that some of the postal voting begins soon. Are they hoping to fool people before we get to know exactly what her positions are. It seems undemocractic to me. Like they are scared of what might happen like with Biden. Seems staged and that is exactly what the Left do, its all narrative and theatre.

I guess so. I think its way more theatre now. Which is a pity and perhaps why governments are failing around the world.

Maybe but I think the media is just the tool, the extention of the ideology. Ideology in that its not that the media is just reporting anymore but that politic now being more an ideology or creeping into belief its permeating all areas of society, our institutions, corporations so of course the media who are basically corporations and state agents in the end.

Thats if you want to get anywhere under the State. Thats why many independent medias have been popping up as they are trying to bypass the bias. But traditionally I think most media is Left and they just follow the States narrative because they believe in it.

It concerns many that most people don't see this. Thats why ideological differences are so interesting. You can have two completely opposite positions and people truely believe that they are right and hold the truth and the other is definitely wrong.

That is why if we step back and apply this to any other situation we would say that these ideological positions are both unreal and even dangerous because as we know from examples such as religion or even various life scams or cults that anyone who believes they hold the truth regardless of other opinions or beliefs or objective reality is in fact not the holder of truth and reality and more likely to be deluded and cause harm to others.

We don't need to go into any of the rational about who is right or has the best policies or ideology. Just the fact that two opposing sides both claim the truth and the other is wrong to the point of life and death is enough to render both sides not to be trusted.

Yes, human beings will argue politics simply because we can, this is the normal state-of-affairs and overall it’s a ”good thing”. Have a great day/evening.

 

[stevevw]

Yes, human beings will argue politics simply because we can, this is the normal state-of-affairs and overall it’s a ”good thing”. Have a great day/evening.

Thankyou, I did. Its good that we can have open discussions about the important issues. The problem is it takes two to do this and at the moment the Left candidates are not engaging but instead playing theatrics.