False Narrative about Kamala unravels

[DaisyDay]

That's a recent development. Up until Biden dropped out of the race, Harris was running +17.4 unfavorable in opinion polls.
...That is an astounding turnaround in such a short amount of time. So you'll forgive me when I say it rings hollow when you say "a lot of us" find her "likable" when just a little over a month ago the polls told a completely different story.

Yes, a recent development. So what? That's the cool thing about time: things change!

Because they were.

The case that some Democrats are making for choosing a black woman, briefly explained​

There are several reasons experts have cited for Biden to choose a black woman as vice president: Doing so would acknowledge the range of voices in the party, give a nod to how black voters helped boost him in the primary — particularly in the critical state of South Carolina — and inspire greater voter turnout.​

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The push for Joe Biden to choose a black woman as his running mate, explained

Some Democrats are looking for more representation on the ticket — and a vice presidential pick who will boost turnout.

www.vox.com

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This article makes clear that there were many Democrats that were calling for a black woman vice president. Those were, in fact, the top two considerations. If you weren't a black woman when Biden was choosing his VP running mate, you need not apply.

Naw, this does not say that Biden only ever looked at gender and race before everything else. Why do you think he and his advisors looked at the pool of qualified potential candidates last instead of first rather than choosing a woman of color from among them? Harris is fully qualified and may even be the best electable candidate.

 

[probinson]

Yes, a recent development. So what? That's the cool thing about time: things change!

But you must admit, that is a remarkable turnaround in popularity. Why? What has Harris done to merit such a marked improvement in popularity in just a month?

Naw, this does not say that Biden only ever looked at gender and race before everything else.

Sure it does.

Why do you think he and his advisors looked at the pool of qualified potential candidates last instead of first rather than choosing a woman of color from among them?

To be considered for Biden's running mate in 2020, you needed to be 1) black and 2) a woman. Those were, in fact, the top two criteria. Anyone who did not meet those criteria was never in consideration.

Harris is fully qualified and may even be the best electable candidate.

Please.

Let's take a look at articles talking about Harris BEFORE Biden dropped out.

With voter concern about President Joe Biden’s age haunting his chances of reelection, a new poll shows his next in line, Vice President Kamala Harris, facing serious doubts about her ability to win the presidency herself, or to perform the job well were she to inherit it.​

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The POLITICO/Morning consult poll reveals that only a third of voters think it’s likely Harris would win an election were she to become the Democratic nominee, and just three of five Democrats believe she would prevail. A quarter of independents think she would win.​

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/kamala-harris-favorability-poll-00162093

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A mediocre politician from a deep-blue state with low national approval ratings, she may find a way to win, but she would be nobody’s top choice were she not the top choice of the president. Relief at Biden’s exit will generate a lot of professed enthusiasm, but it will be fake.​

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Even Biden fans see Harris as one of the weakest elements of his administration. A country desperate for change would bristle at the feeling that once again, real democratic choice is being sidelined in favor of the most deserving insider. And Harris is a fundamentally weak candidate. She fizzled out early in her first presidential run and floundered in the vice presidency.​

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Opinion | How These 10 Democrats Would Fare Against Trump, Rated by Our Columnists and Writers (Published 2024)

Many party leaders are coalescing behind Kamala Harris, but some veteran Democrats — and many voters — are still grappling with who would fare best against Trump.

www.nytimes.com

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It's laughable that anyone would want to pretend like Harris was ever the "best electable candidate".

 

[DaisyDay]

But you must admit, that is a remarkable turnaround in popularity. Why? What has Harris done to merit such a marked improvement in popularity in just a month?

She became the DNC candidate and appears to be winning against Donald.

Sure it does.

Nuh-uh.

To be considered for Biden's running mate in 2020, you needed to be 1) black and 2) a woman. Those were, in fact, the top two criteria. Anyone who did not meet those criteria was never in consideration.

According to you, those were the first two considerations but they may very well have been simply the final two criteria. More mundane considerations are simply not worth mentioning: age, citizenship, party affiliation, etc.

Please.

Over 34, natural born citizen, US resident, no felonies, not a two-termer (yet).

Let's take a look at articles talking about Harris BEFORE Biden dropped out.

With voter concern about President Joe Biden’s age haunting his chances of reelection, a new poll shows his next in line, Vice President Kamala Harris, facing serious doubts about her ability to win the presidency herself, or to perform the job well were she to inherit it.​

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The POLITICO/Morning consult poll reveals that only a third of voters think it’s likely Harris would win an election were she to become the Democratic nominee, and just three of five Democrats believe she would prevail. A quarter of independents think she would win.​

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/12/kamala-harris-favorability-poll-00162093

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A mediocre politician from a deep-blue state with low national approval ratings, she may find a way to win, but she would be nobody’s top choice were she not the top choice of the president. Relief at Biden’s exit will generate a lot of professed enthusiasm, but it will be fake.​

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Even Biden fans see Harris as one of the weakest elements of his administration. A country desperate for change would bristle at the feeling that once again, real democratic choice is being sidelined in favor of the most deserving insider. And Harris is a fundamentally weak candidate. She fizzled out early in her first presidential run and floundered in the vice presidency.​

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Opinion | How These 10 Democrats Would Fare Against Trump, Rated by Our Columnists and Writers (Published 2024)

Many party leaders are coalescing behind Kamala Harris, but some veteran Democrats — and many voters — are still grappling with who would fare best against Trump.

www.nytimes.com

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So what? Now Biden has dropped out.

It's laughable that anyone would want to pretend like Harris was ever the "best electable candidate".

"Is now" trumps "was ever".

 

[probinson]

According to you, those were the first two considerations but they may very well have been simply the final two criteria.

They were not.

More mundane considerations are simply not worth mentioning: age, citizenship, party affiliation, etc.

Why are you pretending like Biden didn't promise to choose a woman as his running mate? No men were ever considered. Then the Democratic Party pushed him to choose a black woman, which he did. Those were the top criteria. I can understand why you want to pretend like that's not what happened, because that's not why anyone should be selected for any position. But that is exactly what happened.

So what? Now Biden has dropped out.

"Is now" trumps "was ever".

Right. Harris went from perhaps the least electable candidate to the best electable candidate in the period of a month. Sure she did.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why would you suppose that the larger pool was based on race rather than just the final criteria? I think it's because you lack a charitable view and simply choose the worst spin possible.

The evidence was there for all to see. He said he wanted a black woman, and the pool of candidates ended up being only black women. Coincidence?

He did choose one of those, though. While she may not be your cup of tea, a lot of us find her far more likeable and competent and sane than our guy.

And she met the primary requirement. A black woman.

He said he wanted to choose a black woman but he did not say it was his primary consideration.

Then he shouldn't have made it is primary point.

 

[rjs330]

Cite?

1 Cor 13

Cite?

I believe you've already been shown that. And I Corinthians has nothing to do with calling out Biden for using sex and race as the number one factor for VP rather than competence.

 

[DaisyDay]

I believe you've already been shown that.

No, posters have mentioned that but have given no citations that I saw.

And I Corinthians has nothing to do with calling out Biden for using sex and race as the number one factor for VP rather than competence.

Sure it does. You can put the most charitable spin or the least.