Why is there opposition to voter ID laws?

[Vambram]

Honest question here. But I would like to know why having voters use their ID when they submit their votes is something that has a lot of opposition from the leaders of the Democratic Party?

 

[Goonie]

Honest question here. But I would like to know why having voters use their ID when they submit their votes is something that has a lot of opposition from the leaders of the Democratic Party?

Because often it is targeted. For example in the UK people were able to use OAP travel passes as ID, but not young persons travel passes, both passes requiring the same level of ID to possess. But off cause pensioners tend to vote conservative.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Honest question here. But I would like to know why having voters use their ID when they submit their votes is something that has a lot of opposition from the leaders of the Democratic Party?

Maybe because they want EVERYONE to be able to vote. Personally, with all the things you have to have an ID for I support voter ID laws 1000%. I am not a demcorat, though

 

[dogs4thewin]

Because often it is targeted. For example in the UK people were able to use OAP travel passes as ID, but not young persons travel passes, both passes requiring the same level of ID to possess. But off cause pensioners tend to vote conservative.

so what if all forms of government I were accepted? In my state of GA, for example, the ID can even be expired as long as it is government issued and nothing has changed with your name. For example, if a woman gets married and changes her legal name she could not use her old ID as that is not lnger who she is legally.

 

[FenderTL5]

so what if all forms of government I were accepted? In my state of GA, for example, the ID can even be expired as long as it is government issued and nothing has changed with your name. For example, if a woman gets married and changes her legal name she could not use her old ID as that is not lnger who she is legally.

Are women/girls advised to NOT get married near election time?
Or is this a ploy to keep a percentage of young women from being eligible to vote?

 

[Lukaris]

Demos try to make sure anyone can vote and can only vote for them like here in Pennsylvania.

RFK Jr. arrives in Harrisburg too late to testify about getting on the Pa. presidential ballot

The hearing proceeded without the independent presidential candidate, who walked in minutes before his attorney finished arguing on his behalf.

www.pennlive.com

 

[dogs4thewin]

Are women/girls are advised to NOT get married near election time?
Or is this a ploy to keep a percentage of young women from being eligible to vote?

A woman can get married any time she likes it is just like with passports. If a woman gets married and say she and her husband go to Europe for their honeymoon she can either hold off on changing her name until she gets back from the honeymoon OR she can have the honeymoon later after she has changed her name and gotten the new passport, but she may not change her name and try to travel abroad with her old passport. My sister actually did both. She and her husband got married last June her husband was still in school at the time and so they had to wait for the week of the forth of July to take their honeymoon as that is when he did not have class. S waited until after they had gotten back from their honeymoon which was three weeks after they had gotten married to legally change her name because she wanted to give the passport plenty of time to come in ( even though for the cruise they were going on as a closed loop sailing did not required a passport one is strongly recommended in case something should happen at port

 

[Offline4Better.]

Honest question here. But I would like to know why having voters use their ID when they submit their votes is something that has a lot of opposition from the leaders of the Democratic Party?

As a moderate (closer to the center), I support voter ID laws, as all voters should show proof of identity when voting. My state of Wisconsin allows people to get a free state ID if they are planning on voting according to Wisconsin statute 343.165(8). Whew, that is a lot of sections in the Wisconsin law.

Wisconsin statute 343.165(8):

Wisconsin Legislature: 343.165(8)

docs.legis.wisconsin.gov

 

[Bradskii]

A woman can get married any time she likes it is just like with passports. If a woman gets married and say she and her husband go to Europe for their honeymoon she can either hold off on changing her name until she gets back from the honeymoon...

This has always struck me as being odd. My wife is very strong willed person. And likewise my daughter and daughter-in-law. But each of them changed their names immediately they got married. Interesting figures from here: Why do women still change their names?

'In the US, most women adopt their husband’s family name when they get married – around 70%, according to one of the largest data analyses in recent years. For British women, the figure is almost 90%, according to a 2016 survey, with around 85% of those aged between 18 and 30 saying they still follow the practice.

Much of western Europe also follows the same pattern (notable exceptions include Spain and Iceland, where women tend to keep their birth names when they marry, and Greece, which has made it a legal requirement for wives to retain their names for life since 1983). Even in Norway, which is regularly ranked one of the top countries for gender equality and has a less overtly patriarchal history, the majority of married women still take their husband’s name. There, however, around half of name-takers keep their maiden name as a middle name, which functions as a secondary surname.'

 

[Bradskii]

Maybe because they want EVERYONE to be able to vote. Personally, with all the hings you have to have an ID for I support voter ID laws 1000%. I am not a demcorat, though

Down here you turn up at your local polling booth and they have a list of everyone in that area who is registered to vote. Give your name and address, they cross your name off and you vote. No ID required.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Down here you turn up at your local polling booth and they have a list of everyone in that area who is registered to vote. Give your name and address, they cross your name off and you vote. No ID required.

What if someone (John Smith) gives a fake name and address, say of their neighbor (Daniel Robertson), and then their neighbor Daniel goes to the voting booth, only to find out that John Smith voted for him?

Then, John would have voted twice, while Daniel would not have a chance to vote.

 

[dogs4thewin]

This has always struck me as being odd. My wife is very strong willed person. And likewise my daughter and daughter-in-law. But each of them changed their names immediately they got married. Interesting figures from here: Why do women still change their names?

'In the US, most women adopt their husband’s family name when they get married – around 70%, according to one of the largest data analyses in recent years. For British women, the figure is almost 90%, according to a 2016 survey, with around 85% of those aged between 18 and 30 saying they still follow the practice.

Much of western Europe also follows the same pattern (notable exceptions include Spain and Iceland, where women tend to keep their birth names when they marry, and Greece, which has made it a legal requirement for wives to retain their names for life since 1983). Even in Norway, which is regularly ranked one of the top countries for gender equality and has a less overtly patriarchal history, the majority of married women still take their husband’s name. There, however, around half of name-takers keep their maiden name as a middle name, which functions as a secondary surname.'

Here most women will drop their middle name and take their mariden name as therir middle name. Altough some women choose to keep both names or to drop their family's last name instead.

 

[dogs4thewin]

What if someone (John Smith) gives a fake name and address, say of their neighbor (Daniel Robertson), and then their neighbor Daniel goes to the voting booth, only to find out that John Smith voted for him?

Then, John would have voted twice, while Daniel would not have a chance to vote.

I was going to asks that question. I meann if you need an ID to so much as buy certain items it would seem to me that voting is MUCH more important.

 

[Offline4Better.]

I was going to asks that question. I meann if you need an ID to so much as buy certain items it would seem to me that voting is MUCH more important.

We both think alike. But yes, if an ID is required to buy alcohol, why wouldn't Australia require an ID for voting? That baffles me.

 

[Bradskii]

What if someone (John Smith) gives a fake name and address, say of their neighbor (Daniel Robertson), and then their neighbor Daniel goes to the voting booth, only to find out that John Smith voted for him?

Then, John would have voted twice, while Daniel would not have a chance to vote.

True. But we'd know when that happens and it's such a rare occurrence that it's not worth worrying about. Why would John Smith risk commiting an offence to get one extra vote?

From here: Actually, voter fraud is negligible in Australian elections

Australian Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers told a parliamentary committee into the 2019 election that multiple voting was “by and large a very small problem”. Only 0.03% of the 91.9% turnout for the 2019 election were multiple mark-offs, he told the committee.

“One of the things we do at the end of every election is we examine multiple marks in every electorate to make sure that there's never a situation where if there was multiple voting, it was greater than the margin in the election itself,” he told the committee. “We've said publicly that, if that was the case, we would then go to the Court of Disputed Returns and seek for that result to be overturned and we've never had to do that.”

 

[Bradskii]

We both think alike. But yes, if an ID is required to buy alcohol, why wouldn't Australia require an ID for voting? That baffles me.

Allowing under age people to access alcohol would definitely result in problems. There is no doubt about that. So it needs to be controlled using ID. As per my last post, there is no problem with voting, so we don't need a solution.

 

[Offline4Better.]

True. But we'd know when that happens and it's such a rare occurrence that it's not worth worrying about. Why would John Smith risk commiting an offence to get one extra vote?

From here: Actually, voter fraud is negligible in Australian elections

Australian Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers told a parliamentary committee into the 2019 election that multiple voting was “by and large a very small problem”. Only 0.03% of the 91.9% turnout for the 2019 election were multiple mark-offs, he told the committee.

“One of the things we do at the end of every election is we examine multiple marks in every electorate to make sure that there's never a situation where if there was multiple voting, it was greater than the margin in the election itself,” he told the committee. “We've said publicly that, if that was the case, we would then go to the Court of Disputed Returns and seek for that result to be overturned and we've never had to do that.”

Wow, 0.03%? That is only 300 parts per million voters (coincidentally, less than the 425 PPM of the atmospheric concentration of CO2). Seem that Australia knows how to handle multiple mark-offs. Seems that the Aussies make an honest group of people.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Allowing under age people to access alcohol would definitely result in problems. There is no doubt about that. So it needs to be controlled using ID. As per my last post, there is no problem with voting, so we don't need a solution.

I do see your point. In the US, there might be a higher rate of dishonesty, so this honor system would probably not fly as well in the USA. Your country is pretty cool for the most part, and seems to handle politics better than the US.

 

[Tuur]

Because often it is targeted. For example in the UK people were able to use OAP travel passes as ID, but not young persons travel passes, both passes requiring the same level of ID to possess. But off cause pensioners tend to vote conservative.

That's the UK. This is the US, and it's a valid point. The only real objection is If a state charges for ID strictly for voting, then it becomes a poll tax, which is banned under the 24th Amendment. Have seen states offer this ID for free.

 

[Offline4Better.]

That's the UK. This is the US, and it's a valid point. The only real objection is If a state charges for ID strictly for voting, then it becomes a poll tax, which is banned under the 24th Amendment. Have seen states offer this ID for free.

Yep, I was thinking the exact same thing. Wisconsin offers the ID for free if used for voting, cos if the ID was not free, it would violate the Poll Tax ban.

24th Amendment info, one of my favorite amendments besides the 1st Amendment:

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-24/