The Church started in the wilderness

[Aaron112]

I've stated these beliefs numerous times and I realize it's pointless to repeat them now but no one has shown me any proof to believe otherwise just as I obviously hadn't shown anyone to believe otherwise as well. So I will most likely move on...

Thus illustrating wonderfully the nature of the internet - internet unable to save anyone, unable to change anyone's mind (except to make it worse if someone believe internet instead of Jesus).
When/if/ "move on", always do so in/with Jesus (as I think or hope you do/will/have).
Let no one consider the internet a good or reliable source nor proof of anything itself, as over 95% is controolledl by the enemy, and it is used to bring death, not life.

 

[Aaron112]

I asked why in the NT after Paul left the Jews where he taught them on many Sabbath days is the Sabbath only mentioned one more time after Acts when he went to the Gentiles? None of his letters taught Sabbath keeping.

Seek the Fatherly Divine Wisdom from heaven, in Scripture, to see the truth, pure and gentle and unchangeable Truth, as the Father is well pleased to open the Scripture to little ones, to give freely understanding that is not given to educated scholars. Note that all that is in Scripture, everything, in in perfect harmony with honoring Shabbat from beginning to end, no exception.

 

[Aaron112]

Would you support shutting down Sunday services?

What good would that do? Would you support shutting down the stock market ?

 

[Aaron112]

Why was I included in your conversation with another poster?

A good question if honestly wondering.

Look around - thousands of viewers, readers, visitors every day or so, reading a public forum that is like a field of weeds - in which someone might find a pearl of great price.
If they see you looking for a pearl too, what is so unusual that they include you in a post ?

 

[Bro.T]

Again many professing Christians are willing to acknowledge that the other nine commandments should be kept in some way today, but reject and refuse to literally obey just one commandment, the fourth! So we see that the Sabbath command is a crucial test of obedience, for it identifies those who have surrendered to God and are striving to obey all of His commandments.

Even others lacking knowledge will say that we keep the first day of the week because Christ rose on that day or that the apostle Paul broke bread on the first day. No, Christ did not rise on Sunday that is yet another doctrine of the devil and I can prove that out of your bible without a shadow of doubt. And every day that Paul ate he broke bread what does that have to do with the Sabbath day. And as much as people try and make it seem, Paul writings in no way contradicts any writing of Jesus or the other disciple or apostles. The Lord had Peter to warn you regarding some of the writing of Paul: (2Peter3:15-16) (v.15) “even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;” (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. You need to have some pretty good understanding of the entire bible when you start to deal with Paul’s writing or you could get tied in knots.

People are always saying “but Paul said” well Paul said this to: (1 Cor.1:13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? If you are confused regarding a subject in the bible go and see what your Master has to say about the matter.

Now if Jesus is our master then we should follow His steps. (1 Peter 2:21) For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: And remember that Jesus is the captain of our salvation. So let’s see our captain lead by example. (Luke 4:14-16) (v.14) And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. (v.15) And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. (v.16) And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue (the church) on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Jesus regularly attended religious services on the Sabbath day "as His custom was". He obeyed His own command to meet (holy convocation) every Sabbath day. Apostle Paul's custom was to keep the Sabbath day. (Acts18:1, 4) (v.1) After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; (v.4) And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Other evidence shows the early Church of God observed the Sabbath (Acts 13:13-15, 42, 44; 18:1, 4, 11).

 

[Bro.T]

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree. If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his.

This is true love, and if obeyed how much better would our world be? This is why Jesus said that the two greatest commandments are loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind; and loving your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). These two commandments are the foundation of the entire law. Many reject the law, but it is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Romans 7:12) even today.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again many professing Christians are willing to acknowledge that the other nine commandments should be kept in some way today, but reject and refuse to literally obey just one commandment, the fourth! So we see that the Sabbath command is a crucial test of obedience, for it identifies those who have surrendered to God and are striving to obey all of His commandments.

What’s sad is Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath Mat 2:28 the one commandment that reveals who God is - the Creator of all heaven and earth Exo 20:11 which has His seal- name, territory and title. His sign He is our God, we are people Eze 20:20, the only God who has power to sanctify Exo 20:12 this is the one that they want to get rid of, the one God said to Remember. It’s really a very sad teaching and people do not even realize what they are really saying by following the popular traditions over obeying God.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Then I assume it's yes, you would support shutting down Sunday services.

How many times did the Pharisees jump on Jesus about breaking sabbath laws?

the pharisee's sabbath observance laws was their own, they were strict and wanted to assert their power over the populace, it is called tyranny. it is why Jesus called them vipers because they were. the sabbath is simple really. read Matt 23-1-36;

Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees​

Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
Mat 23:18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
Mat 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
Mat 23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
Mat 23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
Mat 23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first thatwhich is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecutethem from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Can you name the commandments of Christ.

I'll give you one here below, they are not the ten commandments, which demands perfect that no one can do except Jesus.

john 3:7
You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again."

I will ask you a question that julie B refused to answer, what do you know about the New Covenant, can you define it as per scripture? will you refuse to answer also?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

the pharisee's sabbath observance laws was their own, they were strict and wanted to assert their power over the populace, it is called tyranny. it is why Jesus called them vipers because they were. the sabbath is simple really. read Matt 23-1-36;

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Unfortunately, this scenario is going to happen again. The church leaders/governments from around the world are going to force their sabbath, which is not the biblical Sabbath, full of rules and regulations with the same persecuting power for not keeping their sabbath. The Sunday law, which many mistakenly call their sabbath or day of rest, will eventually be law and will have the same penalties for breaking (as Christ did-death) While the Sunday law won't initially seem like a bad thing, it turns into it when they outlaw keeping God's true Sabbath by His remnant people. Like Project 2025, claim there is no room for true Sabbath-keepers or keeping Sabbath on Saturday, the day God commanded Exo 20:10

This law I believe is closer than we think, which means so is His return!

Is Sunday Law Coming?

Is Sunday Law Coming? What follows is evidence of precursors pointing to a coming Sunday law. Blue Laws Encyclopedia Britannica records that blue laws were enacted to encourage Sabbath observance—but on Sunday. Sunday isn't the Sabbath. It never has been. In the United States blue laws...

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[JesusFollowerForever]

Unfortunately, this scenario is going to happen again. The church leaders/governments from around the world are going to force their sabbath, which is not the biblical Sabbath, full of rules and regulations with the same persecuting power for not keeping their sabbath. The Sunday law, which many mistakenly call their sabbath or day of rest, will eventually be law and will have the same penalties for breaking (as Christ did-death) While the Sunday law won't initially seem like a bad thing, it turns into it when they outlaw keeping God's true Sabbath by His remnant people. Like Project 2025, claim there is no room for true Sabbath-keepers or keeping Sabbath on Saturday, the day God commanded Exo 20:10

This law I believe is closer than we think, which means so is His return!

Is Sunday Law Coming?

Is Sunday Law Coming? What follows is evidence of precursors pointing to a coming Sunday law. Blue Laws Encyclopedia Britannica records that blue laws were enacted to encourage Sabbath observance—but on Sunday. Sunday isn't the Sabbath. It never has been. In the United States blue laws...

www.christianforums.com

I think sunday law is coming too but I fear far worst things coming out way, but this announces Christ return.

Seven years ago I had for many consecutive days, many times per day for more than a month' time a vision of the word "EXODUS" that word kept appearing in my field of vision, in my thoughts, after that, for about one week the same phenomenon a vision and in my thoughts constantly appearing the words "Jacob's trouble" at the time I did not know what it meant until I looked for it and it does announce the end time and return of the remnant of Israel and the return of Christ. and I say this, many here are the remnant of Israel. A second Exodus is to happen where the remnants of israel scattered throughout the planet will be called back to the promised land, read Jeremiah 30 and 31

A lot of bad things like Christ described will start happening at a furious pace now, Nothing much anyone can do about this. What we can do is remain firm in out faith and not despair no matter what happens.

Also some time ago this spring I had a dream, an unusual dream, I saw Jesus from afar and He came close to me, the strange part was that as he got closer I felt his Love, like when you come close to a fire you fell warmth, Jesus is LOVE and I felt it ( never felt this before ) He started to talk to me about what was to come ( war famine chaos..) has to come and not to be arraid and that everything would be alright. I do not remember the words but just remember the topic. the dream lasted a few minutes then I woke up perplexed but content.

Yes Jesus is coming soon. the evidence is all around us time is short.

As for the commandments they are set apart from the rest of the law, they are the Moral Law and will never change Jesus was clear about this, even in Romans the commandments are repeated in part, the PROOF they are still valid.

Fulfilling the Law Through Love​

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it ishigh time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think sunday law is coming too but I fear far worst things coming out way, but this announces Christ return.

Seven years ago I had for many consecutive days, many times per day for more than a month' time a vision of the word "EXODUS" that word kept appearing in my field of vision, in my thoughts, after that, for about one week the same phenomenon a vision and in my thoughts constantly appearing the words "Jacob's trouble" at the time I did not know what it meant until I looked for it and it does announce the end time and return of the remnant of Israel a( a second exodus where the remnants scattered throughout the planet will be called back), read Jeremiah 30 and 31) and the return of Christ. and I say this, many here are the remnant of Israel.

A lot of bad things like Christ described will start happening at a furious pace now, Nothing much anyone can do about this. What we can do is remain firm in out faith and not despair no matter what happens.

Also some time ago this spring I had a dream, an unusual dream, I saw Jesus from afar and He came close to me, the strange part was that as he got closer I felt his Love, like when you come close to a fire you fell warmth, Jesus is LOVE and I felt it ( never felt this before ) He started to talk to me about what was to come ( war famine chaos..) has to come and not to be arraid and that everything would be alright. I do not remember the words but just remember the topic. the dream lasted a few minutes then I woke up perplexed but content.

Yes Jesus is coming soon. the evidence is all around us time is short.

As for the commandments they are set apart from the rest of the law, they are the Moral Law and will never change Jesus was clear about this, even in Romans the commandments are repeated in part, the PROOF they are still valid.

Fulfilling the Law Through Love​

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it ishigh time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Jesus is a consuming fire Heb 12:29 a fire of love. If we are not made fireproof, we will not be able to stand in His presence when He comes. That sounds like an amazing dream about feeling His presence.


I do believe there will be trouble like we have never seen before, but I believe the Sunday law will be the abomination that leads to desolation. It will be the beginning of the end. I can provide studies on this and if we look at history of the destruction of the temples- it usually had something to do with defiling the Sabbath. Christ said the greatest abomination is people worshipping the sun. Eze 8:13-16 While many good Christians truly believe Sunday worship came from scriptures, many don't realize there is no biblical evidence to support it, it actually came from the Pegan practice of sun worship that turned into Sunday worship that was adopted by a political power and church who turned into a commandment of their church and the change of God's law is a mark of their authority (over God's Authority) that sadly most churches followed (wondered after) instead of keeping God's commandments the way He wrote and He spoke. I don't think its a coincidence of what the 4th plague is during the great tribulation. When they make a decree that we have to keep Sunday and its a crime to keep God's true Sabbath, similar to what Daniel and his friends faced a law and death decree that prevented them to keep one of God's commandments, the end is very near.

Anyway, we don't have to agree on this, we already agree on a lot. Keep firm in your beliefs and always obey what God said over what man says. God bless you brother.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Jesus is a consuming fire Heb 12:29 a fire of love. If we are not made fireproof, we will not be able to stand in His presence when He comes. That sounds like an amazing dream about feeling His presence.


I do believe there will be trouble like we have never seen before, but I believe the Sunday law will be the abomination that leads to desolation. It will be the beginning of the end. I can provide studies on this and if we look at history of the destruction of the temples- it usually had something to do with defiling the Sabbath. Christ said the greatest abomination is people worshipping the sun. Eze 8:13-16 While many good Christians truly believe Sunday worship came from scriptures, many don't realize there is no biblical evidence to support it, it actually came from the Pegan practice of sun worship that turned into Sunday worship that was adopted by a political power and church who turned into a commandment of their church and the change of God's law is a mark of their authority (over God's Authority) that sadly most churches followed (wondered after) instead of keeping God's commandments the way He wrote and He spoke. I don't think its a coincidence of what the 4th plague is during the great tribulation. When they make a decree that we have to keep Sunday and its a crime to keep God's true Sabbath, similar to what Daniel and his friends faced a law and death decree that prevented them to keep one of God's commandments, the end is very near.

Anyway, we don't have to agree on this, we already agree on a lot. Keep firm in your beliefs and always obey what God said over what man says. God bless you brother.

yes please I would like to read the mentioned study, it makes sense and is very possible, a one world government is coming our way also a one world religion so yes possible they will implement a law about a Sunday sabbath. it might coincide with a false messiah. as for Sunday worship it is a pagan practice no doubt about it.

Many say that for the abomination and desolation, a temple is necessary, what are your toughs about that? I am not very good at prophecy, some parts of it I do not yet understand.

Blessings.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

yes please I would like to read the mentioned study, it makes sense and is very possible, a one world government is coming our way also a one world religion so yes possible they will implement a law about a Sunday sabbath. it might coincide with a false messiah. as for Sunday worship it is a pagan practice no doubt about it.

Many say that for the abomination and desolation, a temple is necessary, what are your toughs about that? I am not very good at prophecy, some parts of it I do not yet understand.

Blessings.

This is such a good study.

The temple was made so God could dwell with His people. When God's people went away from obeying Him, it was an abomination that led to desolation and the temple was destroyed if you read in Ezekiel it was about profaning the Sabbath that led to the destruction of the temple Ezekiel 23:38 when we defile the Sabbath it is really profaning God Himself . Eze 22:26 Because Jesus has such compassion for humanity, the temple was rebuilt several times but when Jesus came in the flesh His own received Him not and crucified God's only Son and He predicted the temple would be destroyed (70AD) but would rise after three days. He was referring to His body. John 2:19-22 So when Christ died the veil of the temple was torn and now, He ministers from a heavenly Temple. Heb 8:2 We are His temple now 1 Cor 3:16 so its not the literal temple- rebuilding a temple in Israel means nothing- His temple is His Church which are those who are faithful to Him, not a nationality but we are grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28 The abomination that leads to the final desolation is when another authority takes over God's temple (His people) and changes God's law that has to do worship (Jesus said false worship is obeying our rules/traditions over obeying the commandments of God Mat 15:3-9) so instead of obeying God on His Authority who commanded us to Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy Exo 20:8-11 on His Authority who is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 the Creator of Heaven and Earth Exo 20:11, but someone else is standing at the head of the church commanding us to keep a false sabbath or face death (still to come). The Sabbath is a sign that we are God's people, that He is our God Eze 20:20, a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 that this counterfeit system can't provide. Just like Jesus told His people the sign when to flea Judea at 70AD were also Sabbath keepers Mat 24:20 when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem. Those who knew the sign fled to the mountains and were safe. Those who didn't believe the warning and stayed when the Romans retreated, but came back all died. There is a second application to this to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. I believe the Sunday law is the sign God gives His people. It starts off seeming like its a good thing, but turns into persecution in the last days. I'll PM you the study.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

This is such a good study.

The temple was made so God could dwell with His people. When God's people went away from obeying Him, it was an abomination that led to desolation and the temple was destroyed if you read in Ezekiel it was about profaning the Sabbath that led to the destruction Ezekiel 23:38 which doing is really profaning God Himself . Eze 22:26 Because Jesus has such compassion for humanity, the temple was rebuilt several times but when Jesus came in the flesh His own received Him not and crucified God's only Son and He predicted the temple would be destroyed (70AD) but would rise after three days. He was referring to His body. John 2:19-22 So when Christ died the veil of the temple was torn and now, He ministers from a heavenly Temple. Heb 8:2 We are His temple now 1 Cor 3:16 so its not the literal temple- rebuilding a temple in Israel means nothing- His temple is His Church which are those who are faithful to Him, not a nationality but we are grafted in through faith Gal 3:26-28 The abomination that leads to the final desolation is when another authority takes over God's temple (His people) and changes God's law that has to do worship (Jesus said false worship is obeying our rules/traditions over obeying the commandments of God Mat 15:3-9) so instead of obeying God on His Authority who commanded us to Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy Exo 20:8-11 on His Authority who is Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:28 the Creator of Heaven and Earth Exo 20:11, but someone else is standing at the head of the church commanding us to keep a false sabbath or face death (still to come). The Sabbath is a sign that we are God's people, that He is our God Eze 20:20, a sign of His sanctification Eze 20:12 that this counterfeit system can't provide. Just like Jesus told His people the sign when to flea Judea at 70AD were also Sabbath keepers Mat 24:20 when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem. Those who knew the sign fled to the mountains and were safe. Those who didn't believe the warning and stayed when the Romans retreated, but came back all died. There is a second application to this to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. I believe the Sunday law is the sign God gives His people. It starts off seeming like its a good thing, but turns into persecution in the last days. I'll PM you the study.

Thank you friend, i willl study tonight, cant wait. I may have questions...

be blessed.

 

[Bro.T]

Jesus say in (Mat.7:21) “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven”. For students to succeed in school, students learn to follow their teachers' instructions, and learn their lessons carefully. But few apply this method when they are dealing with the word of God. Is Jesus your Lord? Then why don’t you do the things he says. (Luke 6:46) “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say”? He told you plainly: (Ex 20:8-10) (v.8) Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (v.9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: (v.10) “But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God”.

Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague! They are either uninformed about which day is the Sabbath day of the God of the Bible or they are just following the tradition of religion that was passed down through the family or maybe they have let some preacher give them other excuses for ignoring God’s true day of worship.

In the scriptures it's written in Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

 

[DamianWarS]

Israel represents God’s church in scripture. It was literal, now it’s spiritual and we are grafted in through faith

indeed, the entire law was observed in the literal, now in the spiritual. We can't apply special conditions discriminately choosing which becomes spiritualized and which doesn't. It either is all spiritualized or none of it is unless we have some clear scriptural support in the new. Paul tells us Christ's law, the law of love, completely fulfills the law (Gal 5:14). Does this not mean the 10 as well? The 10 tells us not to murder our neighbour, lie, steal, covet, or sleep with their wife. The sum total of this doesn't address our heart and I may keep the law but still hate my neighbour, or even just ignore him. The law only addresses the outward action, not the inward. Christ's law is a heuristic approach to obedience to him that goes beyond the sum of the law.

God made the 7th day holy when the work was complete, we are now the recipients of that rest brought on from a finished work through Christ and we are made holy. We are literally called the "new creation" so if light was spoken into darkness from the old so too light is spoken into darkness in the new creation. If a completed work ushers in rest from the old then a completed work ushers in rest in the new creation. Paul says in Gal 6:15 "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation." so there you have it, it's the new creation that matters, not the law and the rest of the new creation is brought on from the completed work of Christ within us and is the goal.

What do you think the Sabbath being made for man really means? hmmm.... a spiritual restoration system designed for all men? what (or who) do you think that may be? (hint: Christ). The old focused on the physical outward display, the new focused on the spiritual, inward heart values. The physical has benefits, and routine rest is important but physical observance of a day is not a value of the new, it is a value of an old system that testifies to the new. it is not testifying a day, it is testifying Christ. Keep the day and give glory to God while you do, there is no fault in that, but don't preach a day, preach what it points to.

 

[Bro.T]

indeed, the entire law was observed in the literal, now in the spiritual. We can't apply special conditions discriminately choosing which becomes spiritualized and which doesn't. It either is all spiritualized or none of it is unless we have some clear scriptural support in the new. Paul tells us the Christ's law, the law of love, completely fulfills the law (Gal 5:14). Does this not mean the 10 as well? The 10 tells us not to murder our neighbour, lie, steal, covent, or sleep with their wife. The sum total of this doesn't address our heart and I may keep the law but still hate my neighbour, or even just ignore him. The law only addresses the outward action, not the inward. Christ's law is a heuristic approach to obedience to him that goes beyond the sum of the law.

God made the 7th day holy when the work was complete, we are now the recipients of that rest brought on from a finished work through Christ and we are made holy. We are literally called the "new creation" so if light was spoken into darkness from the old so too light is spoken into darkness in the new. If a completed work ushers in rest from the old then a completed work ushers in rest in the new. Paul says in Gal 6:15 "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation." so there you have it, it's the new creation that matters, not the law and the rest of the new creation is brought on from the completed work of Christ within us and is the goal.

What do you think the Sabbath being made for man really means? hmmm.... a spiritual restoration system designed for all men? what (or who) do you think that may be? (hint: Christ). The old focused on the physical outward display, the new focused on the spiritual, inward heart values. The physical has benefits, and routine rest is important but physical observance of a day is not a value of the new, it is a value of an old system that testifies to the new. it is not testifying a day, it is testifying Christ. Keep the day and give glory to God while you do, there is no fault in that, but don't preach a day, preach what it points to.

According to Paul in Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness.

 

[DamianWarS]

According to Paul in Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness.

Indeed, the role of law was a moral guide (past tense), but as Paul said in v8, a reverse effect happened: even though the law informed him not to covet, he ended up producing all manner of coveting. And what was intended to bring life instead could only condemn him.

v6 shows us "But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." So we do not serve the written code of the old, but of the new of the Spirit. v7 only shows us the role of law, not that we are under it.

So the law tells me to rest on the Sabbath. What then do you think that gets produced in your heart? all manner of distractions are aroused on the Sabbath, despite not engaging in work the mind is active, and the desires come out; the heart beats on and you continue to breathe and the law continues to condemn you. What was intended to bring rest, exposes how unrestful you actually are.

the purpose of Sabbath is rest, a rest that is from a completed work and made holy. Though we toil, our work is never complete, and as hard as we try in our own efforts we cannot be holy nor can we make something holy. The rest however is not taken, it is given. Think of the law, it is not just for yourself, but for your entire household under your care even those who work for you and even the animals. The thing with people who work for you or animals they have no authority to rest unless it is given to them and only one with authority may give it to them... wow! what a powerful metaphor, we too cannot take rest for ourselves and only one with authority can give it, or make us holy to be able to receive it.

 

[Bro.T]

Indeed, the role of law was a moral guide (past tense), but as Paul said in v8, a reverse effect happened: even though the law informed him not to covet, he ended up producing all manner of coveting. And what was intended to bring life instead could only condemn him.

v6 shows us "But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." So we do not serve the written code of the old, but of the new of the Spirit. v7 only shows us the role of law, not that we are under it.

So the law tells me to rest on the Sabbath. What then do you think that gets produced in your heart? all manner of distractions are aroused on the Sabbath, despite not engaging in work the mind is active, and the desires come out; the heart beats on and you continue to breathe and the law continues to condemn you. What was intended to bring rest, exposes how unrestful you actually are.

the purpose of Sabbath is rest, a rest that is from a completed work and made holy. Though we toil, our work is never complete, and as hard as we try in our own efforts we cannot be holy nor can we make something holy. The rest however is not taken, it is given. Think of the law, it is not just for yourself, but for your entire household under your care even those who work for you and even the animals. The thing with people who work for you or animals they have no authority to rest unless it is given to them and only one with authority may give it to them... wow! what a powerful metaphor, we too cannot take rest for ourselves and only one with authority can give it, or make us holy to be able to receive it.

First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)