The UK is now a dangerous place to visit?

[vespasia]

So far this evening the UK news is filled with reports of thousands turning out holding peaceful asylum and refugees welcome and standing against facism.
IMHO The rabble that is the EDL would have to have lost the plot and failed to read the country if they were to try to take on the crowd.

 

[Bradskii]

Again, why have they changed now? What has changed for them that you refuse to acknowledge?

What am I not acknowledging? There has been a greater influx of immigrants. Back in the day you never saw any. Now they're more visible in society and some people don't want them there.

 

[Larniavc]

Mainly it's a broken policing system from what I understand which has caused the native population to lash out at the portions of the non native population who aren't integrating into British society.

This is the result of opening your borders like this and encouraging this concept of not needing to have shared values to live together.

Some in England who are second generation immigrants aren't integrating at all .. and some of the new migrants just want to take over the country and kill white people... They aren't making for a friendly bunch combined.

On the other hand you have a lot of sectarianism, the immigrants are bringing bigotry and racism from their countries to Britain from their native countries, and a lot of perfectly integrated non native individuals are being targeted because they were political or religious refugees and have fatwas on their heads. New immigrants are specifically targeting those individuals.

There seems to be a lot of radicalism there, but I would have no earthly idea what kind of numbers are there.

So far it's pretty multifaceted but it's boiling down to a population who aren't integrating and a native population tired of being attacked and not having a safe society to live in.

I was talking online to a woman (white) who was crying and terrified to leave her home and terrified to be there when this was kicking off.. I was trying to help her through but in the end words only go so far.

It's truly worrying...

I was going to share a video with a pretty balanced perspective but it's age restricted (though I don't understand why) so I won't share it here. You could check out Winston Marshall, he did a video 2 days ago I thought was fair-minded and informative.

Please educate yourself. Your takes are flawed and do not reflect the reality of the situation.

The violence was started by right wing thugs who consider violence as a viable political tool. The very definition of terrorism.

Do you even know that the catalyst of all of this was down to the murderous actions of a Christian Welshman?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Please educate yourself. Your takes are flawed and do not reflect the reality of the situation.

The violence was started by right wing thugs who consider violence as a viable political tool. The very definition of terrorism.

Do you even know that the catalyst of all of this was down to the murderous actions of a Christian Welshman?

From what I saw after several days of riots out of the non native population (things like the people who had social services take the kids away for endangering them which began a huge riot by the non native population etc) and the murder of 3 little girls the native population started a protest.

At the point where the police started arresting actually peaceful protesters that is when things took a turn for the worse and the whole country kind of went haywire.

 

[Adam56]

Oops, sorry about that. It was the fashy guy you linked that referred to Discord. Now how did you end up seeing that post on twitter?

I stumbled across it. Now what about the reporter and his contrasting responses?

 

[Larniavc]

From what I saw after several days of riots out of the non native population (things like the people who had social services take the kids away for endangering them which began a huge riot by the non native population etc) and the murder of 3 little girls the native population started a protest.

At the point where the police started arresting actually peaceful protesters that is when things took a turn for the worse and the whole country kind of went haywire.

That is false. The right wi g thugs and the communities they target are both native but the right wing thugs travel hundreds of miles to target communities in other cities.

You’re wrong on every front.

 

[Bradskii]

Mainly it's a broken policing system from what I understand which has caused the native population to lash out...

'The native population'? It's a bunch of far right thugs. And as I said, it doesn't matter who the immigrants are, it doesn't matter what religion they are, or their politics, or how long they've been in the UK or how they are integrating, it doesn't matter where they cam from or why they came. None of that matters. It's just bigoted, ultra nationalistic, moronic, mindless, racialist youths demanding that 'they' leave. By employing extreme violence.

 

[Bradskii]

From what I saw after several days of riots out of the non native population (things like the people who had social services take the kids away for endangering them which began a huge riot by the non native population etc) and the murder of 3 little girls the native population started a protest.

At the point where the police started arresting actually peaceful protesters that is when things took a turn for the worse and the whole country kind of went haywire.

Two questions.

One, where do you get the junk you are posting from?

Two, why on earth are you trying to excuse violence by racist thugs?

 

[IceJad]

And the fact that Nigeria, Malaysia and Indonesia, places where they've often been a concern regarding safety, have also issued their own travel alerts for the UK is...depressing.

Care to back up your claim about my country Malaysia being a concern for safety?

 

[Bradskii]

Care to back up your claim about my country Malaysia being a concern for safety?

Generally a very safe and friendly place to visit. I've been many times. But not to Sabah. Where it is generally considered, if not a no go area, but one that the Australian government suggests that you should 'reconsider your need to travel'. (https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/asia/malaysia).

I've not been to Nigeria but very many times to Indonesia. And the country is likewise safe and friendly. But again, the Australian government suggests that you reconsider trips to Papua.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I stumbled across it. Now what about the reporter and his contrasting responses?

I didn't watch the video posted by the fascist "Callum".

 

[Adam56]

I didn't watch the video posted by the fascist "Callum".

Typical leftist tactic:

When presented with evidence that supports right wing viewpoints, simply view the source and call it “fascist”, or “Nazi.”

 

[eleos1954]

Their rhetoric comes from the "defend traditional England and it's white, English, Christian population". I have no idea if they are proper believers or not.

That's a really weird overreaction. Why was that?

I had no choice in joining it. Christianity was forced on me.

I had no choice in joining it. Christianity was forced on me.

How so?

 

[Larniavc]

He's an example of an anti right wing racist protest in my city Liverpool. The reader will note the difference from the right wing 'protests' of the last weekend.

https://packaged-media.redd.it/h84hv350hahd1/pb/m2-res_386p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&s=fdeb76e960d33a9b02c01965e1a414a034b25778#t=0

 

[Larniavc]

Well ok then ... it wasn't based on race (skin color) so quit calling them racists.

If anyone wants to get an idea about how these right wing thugs 'think' listen to this.

Have you even watched this video? The racist thug on the call admits he thinks all black and brown people are the problem and is very clear that ALL his friends do.

Because of the lies he reads on the internet. Sadly some of those lies are reproduced on this very site without the most remedial of fact checking.

 

[Larniavc]

Are you saying the rioters were Christian? Where is the evidence that both were the cause in this particular outbreak of violence.

I'm Christian and am against illegal mass migration ... does that make me a racist? Does that make me an "extremist"? As a Christian I most certainly do not condone nor would participate in any form of violence and/or destruction.

As opposed to the Muslim religion (convert or ultimately be eliminated). Christianity is a choice ... not forced. If it ever becomes that way then it is not Christianity.

Although the EDL had declined, the sentiments feeding it—especially anger at immigration and Islam—remained widespread across Britain's white working-class communities. Other far-right groups emerged to claim the space in British society that it left vacant, often utilising the EDL's tactics. Britain First sought to court disenchanted EDL members, adopting similar street protests: it organised "Christian patrols" through areas with Islamic communities, as well as "mosque invasions" in which members entered mosques to disrupt proceedings.

English Defence League - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Larniavc]

How so?

In the UK in the 70s, 80s, and 90s it was a legal requirement that Christian religious education (think a Sunday school session) happened weekly in primary schools. I remember it very well after swimming we had a Canon come in a read us the Bible. I still remember thinking "any minute now he'll say 'and that's a bit like Jesus'". It was not fun.

 

[Larniavc]

Here's a nice picture of one of the ways the people of the UK respond to right wing racists.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Britain/comments/1emqd9j

 

[Larniavc]

Another nice piece to show what decent British people are about.

Dunno what's going on here with the link but you can get to youtube from here.

 

[eleos1954]

In the UK in the 70s, 80s, and 90s it was a legal requirement that Christian religious education (think a Sunday school session) happened weekly in primary schools. I remember it very well after swimming we had a Canon come in a read us the Bible. I still remember thinking "any minute now he'll say 'and that's a bit like Jesus'". It was not fun.

You were exposed to the teachings ... I get that ... the bible was also included/taught in the school systems in America for a time. Exposure don't mean one must believe something. One might be influenced by what is taught (religious or not) ... formalizing their beliefs.

Nobody can force anyone to believe anything ... they can try ... but the end game is that beliefs are up to the individual.

Civil laws are made by man (governments) some of which may or may not coincide with biblical teachings.

Mankind has learned some things over time and separation of church and state is one of them. It was designed to keep from having a forced worship system. On the flip side .... a Christians are not supposed to themselves violate biblical teachings. The focus is on worship ... and that is to remain separate ... ie the state not instituting any particular church system. As long as civil law isn't enforced by a particular religious belief in regard to worship then choice remains in tact ... and governments institute what the civil laws will be.

Examples: Some states are wanting the 10 commandments displayed in school systems ... that isn't forcing a belief ... because it's displayed don't mean people are required/forced to believe it .... just as evolution theory is taught in the school systems, one is not forced/required to believe it. The bible itself and other religions can not be taught in a public school system setting ... that is the responsibility of the churches or through individual study. Can anyone force someone to believe the 10 commandments? No. Any specific religion can not be a legal requirement.

Religious education in primary and secondary education - Wikipedia

Not sure if this in regard to the UK is true .... but it appears what is to be religious studies (various religions) ... not forcing any belief in any particular one? True or not?