The UK is now a dangerous place to visit?

[Bradskii]

""A riot is the language of the unheard" -- Martin Luther King

That's probably right. But then you have to ask what they want to say that they think has been 'unheard.'

'We blacks want equal rights with the whites.'

'We whites want those blacks out of here.'

It's not really a subtle difference, is it...

 

[Hans Blaster]

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What dark corner of Discord did you find this on?

The user name seemed to reference the infamous far-right Brittish blogger Carl Benjamin (aka Sargon of Akkad) so I checked out the twitter feed. This "Callum" poster is definitely anti-Muslim and pretty racist.

 

[Adam56]

What dark corner of Discord did you find this on?

The user name seemed to reference the infamous far-right Brittish blogger Carl Benjamin (aka Sargon of Akkad) so I checked out the twitter feed. This "Callum" poster is definitely anti-Muslim and pretty racist.

I wasn’t on discord, I found it on X.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I wasn’t on discord, I found it on X.

Oops, sorry about that. It was the fashy guy you linked that referred to Discord. Now how did you end up seeing that post on twitter?

 

[vespasia]

Fifty years ago , in the UK? Oh yes we most certainly had issues with the far right bigots. They have been surfacing since the time of Oswald Moseley and the Black Shirts. There is a reason that the Race Relations Act was finally passed in 1965 “The Race Relations Act 1965 was the first piece of legislation in the UK to address the prohibition of racial discrimination and followed previously unsuccessful bills. The Act banned racial discrimination in public places and made the promotion of hatred on the grounds of ‘colour, race, or ethnic or national origins' an offence.” (Sourced Parliament UK)

 

[RDKirk]

That's probably right. But then you have to ask what they want to say that they think has been 'unheard.'

'We blacks want equal rights with the whites.'

'We whites want those blacks out of here.'

It's not really a subtle difference, is it...

Again, why have they changed now? What has changed for them that you refuse to acknowledge?

 

[Larniavc]

Again, why have they changed now? What has changed for them that you refuse to acknowledge?

I really don't understand your question. Racism on the right hasn't changed. In the early 60s it was far more socially acceptable to be racist. Over the years racism has been driven underground and it rears it more overt face when the right wing racists can whip people up into a frenzy (nowadays by mendacious posts o the internet spreading lies and then reposted without the most remedial of fact checking). Once it kicks off all the scum come out of the woodwork looking for some action and if they can nick some booze and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] from the offy all the better.

Edit: it's just dawned on that I'm just about to go into a pastoral support meeting for a person who has been directly affected by the kind of right wing racist we are discussing here.

 

[eleos1954]

That's not a proper link, but I did find what I think you were trying to post.

It's just a claim by someone else's religion about how they are going to be top dog because it is ordained by their god. I have no reason to accept their claim, I don't know why you would accept their claim of domination if you don't accept their god. Similarly I have no reason to accept the claims of your religion about the end of the world.

Just stating this is what the Muslims believe .. I most certainly do not accept it ... they do ... and it drives how they behave in society ... that is ... they believe the entire world should convert to their beliefs ... to shariah law and if not then they have no problem eliminating those who do not. This will never change ... so wherever they live there is going to be culture clash and problems. They do not want to assimilate in other countries and their ways ... they want to impose their religion on other countries.

We discuss scripture and indeed there are many interpretations ... what one believes is up to them ... but there is nothing wrong with discussing scripture and taking into consideration what is being discussed.

All of us are to study scripture ourselves and our beliefs should be based on that.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Just stating this is what the Muslims believe .. I most certainly do not accept it ... they do ... and it drives how they behave in society ... that is ... they believe the entire world should convert to their beliefs ... to shariah law and if not then they have no problem eliminating those who do not. This will never change ... so wherever they live there is going to be culture clash and problems. They do not want to assimilate in other countries and their ways ... they want to impose their religion on other countries.

I have no reason to accept your claims about a religion neither of us are part of with out any evidence.

We discuss scripture and indeed there are many interpretations ... what one believes is up to them ... but there is nothing wrong with discussing scripture and taking into consideration what is being discussed.

All of us are to study scripture ourselves and our beliefs should be based on that.

I took a look and decided it wasn't worth more examination. I certainly don't base my beliefs on any scriptures. This thread is about violent racist gangs in Britain.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Ye gods, what is wrong with the world..?

Travel alert for Australians visiting UK amid ongoing riots after Southport stabbing attack

Other countries also issue travel alerts for the United Kingdom as the British PM announces a special police force to deal with the violence.

www.abc.net.au

My wife and I have travelled to many places and we always take note of what the Australian Government says in regard to safety. But now we are being warned that going back to where we were brought up is to be considered dangerous.

What is wrong with the world? In what alternative universe could I ever imagine that I'd be warned about going back to, what in some senses, we call home? Or at least, used to be home. Not in Palestine or the Lebanon or Venezuela or Myanmar, but the United Kingdom.

And the fact that Nigeria, Malaysia and Indonesia, places where they've often been a concern regarding safety, have also issued their own travel alerts for the UK is...depressing.

It's just some beaurcracy in Australia rounding up numbers and making them sem more important than they are. Typical government-funded agency wasting tax dollars they were given.

...But I'm glad it's not us getting ragged on for once.

 

[eleos1954]

I have no reason to accept your claims about a religion neither of us are part of with out any evidence.

I took a look and decided it wasn't worth more examination. I certainly don't base my beliefs on any scriptures. This thread is about violent racist gangs in Britain.

The original OP specifically included a link to an article regarding the stabbing that happened in

Southport​

Supposedly as reported the violence occurred to misinformation about the perpetrator and that misinformation being that the perpetrator was a Muslim immigrant ... if true then I'm just trying to get across that the riot was not based on brown or black (skin color) but rather based on the attacker was believed as being Muslim and Muslim is a religious belief. Islam is not a race it's a religion.

On one hand they are saying the riot was based on the religion component ... yet blaming it on race (skin color) by right-wing extremists as well ...

Protestors on the ground attacked the local mosque and clashed with police units, chanting “Allah, Allah, who the f*** is Allah” and “we want our country back”. A livestream of the riot was posted to YouTube, with commenters posting their support in real time. 16 hours after posting, it has nearly 200,000 views. From rumours to riots: How online misinformation fuelled violence in the aftermath of the Southport attack

Not talking about scripture here .... but there obviously was a religious component (and was the main component) to what happened. The "evidence" points to the religious aspect not the race (skin color) aspect.

Not wise to combine the two (race/religion) .... if so then that can be done with any religion.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The original OP specifically included a link to an article regarding the stabbing that happened in

Southport​

Supposedly as reported the violence occurred to misinformation about the perpetrator and that misinformation being that the perpetrator was a Muslim immigrant ... if true then I'm just trying to get across that the riot was not based on brown or black (skin color) but rather based on the attacker was believed as being Muslim and Muslim is a religious belief. Islam is not a race it's a religion.

On one hand they are saying the riot was based on the religion component ... yet blaming it on race (skin color) by right-wing extremists as well ...

Protestors on the ground attacked the local mosque and clashed with police units, chanting “Allah, Allah, who the f*** is Allah” and “we want our country back”. A livestream of the riot was posted to YouTube, with commenters posting their support in real time. 16 hours after posting, it has nearly 200,000 views. From rumours to riots: How online misinformation fuelled violence in the aftermath of the Southport attack

Not talking about scripture here .... but there obviously was a religious component (and was the main component) to what happened. The "evidence" points to the religious aspect not the race (skin color) aspect.

Not wise to combine the two (race/religion) .... if so then that can be done with any religion.

The riot was a deliberate attack on people because of their religion.

 

[eleos1954]

The riot was a deliberate attack on people because of their religion.

Well ok then ... it wasn't based on race (skin color) so quit calling them racists.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well ok then ... it wasn't based on race (skin color) so quit calling them racists.

They are also racists. It is not clear whether their primary hatred is towards the non-Christian religion or the non-white racial identities of those they attack. They are clearly hateful to both.

 

[eleos1954]

They are also racists. It is not clear whether their primary hatred is towards the non-Christian religion or the non-white racial identities of those they attack. They are clearly hateful to both.

Are you saying the rioters were Christian? Where is the evidence that both were the cause in this particular outbreak of violence.

I'm Christian and am against illegal mass migration ... does that make me a racist? Does that make me an "extremist"? As a Christian I most certainly do not condone nor would participate in any form of violence and/or destruction.

As opposed to the Muslim religion (convert or ultimately be eliminated). Christianity is a choice ... not forced. If it ever becomes that way then it is not Christianity.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are you saying the rioters were Christian? Where is the evidence that both were the cause in this particular outbreak of violence.

Their rhetoric comes from the "defend traditional England and it's white, English, Christian population". I have no idea if they are proper believers or not.

I'm Christian and am against illegal mass migration ... does that make me a racist? Does that make me an "extremist"? As a Christian I most certainly do not condone nor would participate in any form of violence and/or destruction.

That's a really weird overreaction. Why was that?

As opposed to the Muslim religion (convert or ultimately be eliminated). Christianity is a choice ... not forced. If it ever becomes that way then it is not Christianity.

I had no choice in joining it. Christianity was forced on me.

 

[HantsUK]

If anyone wants to get an idea about how these right wing thugs 'think' listen to this.

Very interesting.

The riot was a deliberate attack on people because of their religion.

The guy who phone phoned into the radio programme was definitely anti Asian and Blacks. Basically any non-whites. It was how he felt - facts and reasoning seemed to be beyond him. We do not know whether he enjoys the occasional fight, or if he is on the margins of society looking on as immigrants enjoy better jobs and bigger houses, or refugees get more benefits. This is the sort of person that those orchestrating the riots can take advantage of.

Several people interviewed by the BBC (radio and TV), while not necessarily agreeing with the violence, supported the sentiments of the rioters. They feel that the government is not and has not listened to their grievances and that they are being ignored. That their views were never reported by the media.

Have a look at the comments on the Daily Mail website. Few if any are actually condemning the rioters. Many people are complaining that PM Starmer is dealing with the rioters but ignoring the underlying problems. Others are complaining that the authorities are coming down hard on these rioters in contrast with how BLM rioters were treated, or the two Asian men recently in Manchester airport.

Basically, they are blaming their current economic problems and lack of affordable housing on immigration.

Most of these people wanted Brexit. Eight years later, immigration has gone up, not down. And we are economically worse off.

 

[vespasia]

Their rhetoric comes from the "defend traditional England and it's white, English, Christian population". I have no idea if they are proper believers or not.

I have yet to meet any with such leanings to be able to construct a halfway decent description of what they mean by traditional, England nor any idea of the countries history. As for what they believe in ……violence against anyone they see as other to themselves……they seem to have a rock solid belief that will get them what they want. In the UK the ten year compulsary census is just as likely to see someone claim to be a Jedi or Kipperpatang (aka belief we made up as we go along) as any of the recognised major world religions. Most people here in the UK spend their weekends and Sundays in worship of football (soccer?)

 

[Hans Blaster]

I have yet to meet any with such leanings to be able to construct a halfway decent description of what they mean by traditional, England nor any idea of the countries history. As for what they believe in ……violence against anyone they see as other to themselves……they seem to have a rock solid belief that will get them what they want. In the UK the ten year compulsary census is just as likely to see someone claim to be a Jedi or Kipperpatang (aka belief we made up as we go along) as any of the recognised major world religions. Most people here in the UK spend their weekends and Sundays in worship of football (soccer?)

Most of the participants seem like they were recruited from a hooligan squad after a match. I'm not expecting coherent thoughts from any of them. There are "leaders" and instigators, some of whom "get their hands dirty" who have all of these "reasons" for their hatreds and bigotries. Guys like "Tommy" and "Sargon" and that "Callum" in the tweet.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Ye gods, what is wrong with the world..?

Travel alert for Australians visiting UK amid ongoing riots after Southport stabbing attack

Other countries also issue travel alerts for the United Kingdom as the British PM announces a special police force to deal with the violence.

www.abc.net.au

My wife and I have travelled to many places and we always take note of what the Australian Government says in regard to safety. But now we are being warned that going back to where we were brought up is to be considered dangerous.

What is wrong with the world? In what alternative universe could I ever imagine that I'd be warned about going back to, what in some senses, we call home? Or at least, used to be home. Not in Palestine or the Lebanon or Venezuela or Myanmar, but the United Kingdom.

And the fact that Nigeria, Malaysia and Indonesia, places where they've often been a concern regarding safety, have also issued their own travel alerts for the UK is...depressing.

Mainly it's a broken policing system from what I understand which has caused the native population to lash out at the portions of the non native population who aren't integrating into British society.

This is the result of opening your borders like this and encouraging this concept of not needing to have shared values to live together.

Some in England who are second generation immigrants aren't integrating at all .. and some of the new migrants just want to take over the country and kill white people... They aren't making for a friendly bunch combined.

On the other hand you have a lot of sectarianism, the immigrants are bringing bigotry and racism from their countries to Britain from their native countries, and a lot of perfectly integrated non native individuals are being targeted because they were political or religious refugees and have fatwas on their heads. New immigrants are specifically targeting those individuals.

There seems to be a lot of radicalism there, but I would have no earthly idea what kind of numbers are there.

So far it's pretty multifaceted but it's boiling down to a population who aren't integrating and a native population tired of being attacked and not having a safe society to live in.

I was talking online to a woman (white) who was crying and terrified to leave her home and terrified to be there when this was kicking off.. I was trying to help her through but in the end words only go so far.

It's truly worrying...

I was going to share a video with a pretty balanced perspective but it's age restricted (though I don't understand why) so I won't share it here. You could check out Winston Marshall, he did a video 2 days ago I thought was fair-minded and informative.