Trump Tells Christians They Won’t Have to Vote in Future: ‘We’ll Have It Fixed’

[Servus]

It could be his poor public speaking abilities. It could be cognitive decline.

Let's not continue to pretend that Biden's problems are Trump's.

 

[Petros2015]

Yep, Trump 2024, vote for me and we will end that whole democracy and peaceful fair transfer of power every 4 years.

I think what he has said that he meant was that "I'll get so much done in 4 years you won't need to vote again because I'll have solved all your problems".

But what he says he means about what he says has no credibility from me.

"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"
His heart has quite an abundance of something I have no interest in.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

When a candidate promises that if you vote for him you need never vote again in another election, you need to check whether they are another 4th rate charlie Chaplin impersonator.

The implications is chilling.

I think perhaps you're reading too much into it.

I think what he's implying (though still a far fetched lie on his part) is "If you vote for me, I'll make the country so great for Christians and fix all the problems, that you won't even need to come out and vote next time, because I will have put all the things in place to make sure all the things you want are set in stone"

Or perhaps another way of wording it, that he has plans of ramming through legislative/executive "preventative maintenance" (at least in terms of how his followers would see it)... Like he's implying that he's going to "put fixes and preventative measures in place to solve what the Christians see as problems" that are so durable, that not even a future president or congress could un-do it.


Basically, he's making the same kind of scam pitch that basement waterproofing companies make.

 

[variant]

Thats not what he said. From what I saw on youtube, he has a habit to jump from one thought to another quite freely, not every sentence in his speech is tightly related to the other.

What do you suppose he is going to "fix" about the system that will make it so that the category "Christians" don't have to turn out to vote anymore?

 

[variant]

BTW why would Trump give many people the overwhelming impression that he wants to stop normal voting? If that is his plan then this is testing the waters. If he wants democracy to continue as normal then it achieves nothing except hurt his popularity for many people (mainly non-Christians).
I thought that this would shock Christians but it seems they are onboard and assume that whatever it means is fine and moral, etc.

At some point you just have to pay attention to what people say and do.

Last we left Trump , as President, he was trying to overturn a lawful election that went against him.

 

[Merrill]

At some point you just have to pay attention to what people say and do.

Last we left Trump , as President, he was trying to overturn a lawful election that went against him.

as long as you pay attention to what Kamala says and does

the Marxist rhetoric about "equity", the endorsement of defunding police, the promise to impose racial reparations, demographic replacement, etc.

the idea that "orange man bad, so anyone else, no matter how crazy and dangerous they are, is preferable" is a really, really dangerous and foolish one

 

[variant]

as long as you pay attention to what Kamala says and does

the Marxist rhetoric about "equity", the endorsement of defunding police, the promise to impose racial reparations, demographic replacement, etc.

the idea that "orange man bad, so anyone else, no matter how crazy and dangerous they are, is preferable" is a really, really dangerous and foolish one

Even setting aside the dropping of the hilarious label of "Marxist" into the discussion with a modern democratic candidate.

And you think Kamala could possibly be more problematic than an end to the Republic?

 

[FenderTL5]

Let's not continue to pretend that Biden's problems are Trump's.

I can only speak for myself, I won't pretend that Trump has suddenly become a great orator, nor will I pretend that he is immune to a common part of aging for a significant number of persons. Fair?

 

[Merrill]

Even setting aside the dropping of the hilarious label of "Marxist" into the discussion with a modern democratic candidate.

And you think Kamala could possibly be more problematic than an end to the Republic?

anyone who consistently uses the term "equity" is expressing sympathy and support for Marxist ideas

or do we turn a blind eye to Kamala's use of language now?

 

[variant]

anyone who consistently uses the term "equity" is expressing sympathy and support for Marxist ideas

or do we turn a blind eye to Kamala's use of language now?

Your premise is absurd.

 

[JohnClay]

the idea that "orange man bad, so anyone else, no matter how crazy and dangerous they are, is preferable" is a really, really dangerous and foolish one

It looks like the alternative is Kamala Harris. Please show that she is "crazy and dangerous" and choosing her instead is "really, really dangerous and foolish". Would choosing her be the most dangerous choice in the history of Presidents? I get the impression she has a lot of word salad and maybe just goes along with the party line.

On the other hand do you agree that Trump's speech gave the impression that Christians would no longer have to vote any more to keep him in power? That's how people who aren't his supporters see it. Remember that he literally has already tried to ignore the results of an election helped by many supporters. If he was able to get away with it what do you think he would do? Ignore the election results or change his mind and keep things democratic? Note that Project 2025 talks about the President having more powers, etc.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And you think Kamala could possibly be more problematic than an end to the Republic?

You think one guy could bring an end to the republic?


In terms of Kamala, while don't see her as more problematic than Trump in some facets, in others, absolutely.

I think she's just as underhanded in a political sense.

Remember this?

Basically, she said a bunch of terrible stuff about Biden in pursuit of the office, and when asked why, laughed and said "it was a debate, hahahaha"

She has this flaw as well

How Kamala Harris Fought to Keep Nonviolent Prisoners Locked Up

As California attorney general, she spent years subverting a 2011 Supreme Court ruling requiring the state to reduce its prison population. The overseeing judicial panel nearly found the state in contempt of court.

prospect.org

If Trump's strategists were smart, they'd zero in on this... not because it'll make any democrats like Trump, but simply because it'd create a little "controlled chaos" in the other team's camp.

 

[JohnClay]

You think one guy could bring an end to the republic?

What about the Capitol attack? Trump had lots of super hardcore supporters (e.g. QAnon, Oath Keepers, etc) who wanted Trump to stay in power. If he could get away with it what would Trump do? Step aside and let the US remain a democracy? Project 2025 talks about how the conservatives could stay in power permanently. I think it talks about what the President should do in the first 150 days to do this including replacing heaps of civil servants with those loyal to Trump and having the President control the DOJ, etc.
If Trump had the opportunity again to seize power undemocratically what is stopping him? Many of his supporters would want to help. If they can overturn one election then what's stopping them doing it permanently? This is based on the Capitol attack which actually happened and also what he said four times in the video.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

What about the Capitol attack?

Are we talking about the one with a couple hundred rednecks and a guy in a buffalo hat?

 

[JohnClay]

Remember this?

Basically, she said a bunch of terrible stuff about Biden in pursuit of the office, and when asked why, laughed and said "it was a debate, hahahaha"

Is that the best you can do? In what way did that hurt the country? I think it is better to criticize someone than to hide all of their flaws particularly if they're significant.

 

[JohnClay]

Are we talking about the one with a couple hundred rednecks and a guy in a buffalo hat?

So what happened was that Trump's hardcore supporters didn't want the votes to count. They took action to overturn the votes. So Trump ignored the votes already so he could mean it when he talks about doing it again in that video. You don't seem to understand how serious what they did is.
Note the previous attempt wasn't really organised properly.... but Project 2025 talks about how the conservatives can stay in power permanently. It is very thorough (900 pages long).

 

[JohnClay]

That means Trump could storm the Capitol and take over anytime he wants to. If he could do it then, he can, as you say with a larger more sophisticated mob, do it now. All his GOP MAGA supporters in congress and in the senate can do their part from inside the Capitol. But that's just not reality. In reality for the most part folks were allowed to take a tour though the Capitol building and once they got that out of their system, they went home and had dinner.

Yes they went home without any consequences. Anyway he's not going to do it again just any old time. It makes sense to wait for the right time so that it is almost certain to succeed.

As for Project 2025, that's something some independent group came up with.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/trump-allies-project-2025/index.html

"Trump claims not to know who is behind Project 2025. A CNN review found at least 140 people who worked for him are involved"
By it being from an independent group means that it is easier for Trump to claim the 900+ plan has nothing to do with him.

 

[Servus]

Yep, Trump 2024, vote for me and we will end that whole democracy and peaceful fair transfer of power every 4 years.

The one thing he is honest on is his intention to rig the whole election system.

Yet he can't even manage to get a wall built.

 

[Servus]

Yes they went home without any consequences. Anyway he's not going to do it again just any old time. It makes sense to wait for the right time so that it is almost certain to succeed.

When is the right time and what are the feasibility factors? We have to differentiate between fantasy and actual feasibility.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/trump-allies-project-2025/index.html

"Trump claims not to know who is behind Project 2025. A CNN review found at least 140 people who worked for him are involved"
By it being from an independent group means that it is easier for Trump to claim the 900+ plan has nothing to do with him.

I'm still waiting for a feasibility study. As it stands right now, it's a fictional work of pipe dreams.

 

[JohnClay]

When is the right time and what are the feasibility factors? We have to differentiate between fantasy and actual feasibility.

Well Project 2025 has a lot of preparations to be made in the first 150 days of the term. It talks about replacing tens of thousands of civil servants with those in a database who are loyal to Trump. It talks about Trump controlling the DOJ, etc. It is all about making the conservatives be in power permanently.

I'm still waiting for a feasibility study. As it stands right now, it's a fictional work of pipe dreams.

Well if heaps of people can invade the white house with no real plan beforehand then it seems plausible that it could succeed if they replaced lots of the non-civilians there.
There's also Agenda 47 which is on Trump's own site: (e.g. "Trump Calls for Death Penalty for Human Traffickers")

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47

BTW do you think that Trump has ever been dishonest? e.g. for those court cases, etc.