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Trump Tells Christians They Won’t Have to Vote in Future: ‘We’ll Have It Fixed’

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BTW why would Trump give many people the overwhelming impression that he wants to stop normal voting? If that is his plan then this is testing the waters. If he wants democracy to continue as normal then it achieves nothing except hurt his popularity for many people (mainly non-Christians).
I thought that this would shock Christians but it seems they are onboard and assume that whatever it means is fine and moral, etc.
I am an outsider (I am not American), but I have noticed that Americans incline to over-analyze various minor details, to speculate wildly about them and to exaggerate them to absurd, conspiratorial proportions. Both democrats and republicans. They are not patient (or charitable) enough to simply wait for verification, clarification.

It seems to be a cultural thing (there seems to be some underlying constant fear/anxiety among Americans of governments, end of the world, of an apocalypse, of tyranny, of "the other half of the America" and similar). It may be loosely related to mental health crisis in the USA, and, indeed, to the US history (being a colony, wild west, revolution, slavery, immigration/fleeing from various persecution in home countries...).

Interestingly, countries having a real experience with tyrannical regimes are more calmer and tolerant during such democratic crisis, like the post-communist Europe or the countries that experienced the WWII in their lands. Probably because they know how the real crisis or tyranny looks like.
 
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Sounds like "I am not Christian", but in these kinds of public emotional unprepared speeches its common to make many slips of tongue, so I would not build much on it.

Such things are easy to clarify in a calm interview, written speech or something similar.
Was it a slip of his neck when he shook his head?
 
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I am an outsider (I am not American), but I have noticed that Americans incline to over-analyze various minor details, to speculate wildly about them and to exaggerate them to absurd, conspiratorial proportions.
If that is the case please respond to post #19. Anyway in the past that could be the case but now Trump is getting more and more stronger in his dictator-like statements. Maybe that's the best way to gain lots of power - gradually increasing the heat like a frog in a pot gradually starting to boil without it hopping out....
BTW there's also things like Project 2025 that talk about a personnel database where civil servants are replaced with people from a database of 10,000+ loyal people. And the President being in charge of the DOJ, etc. Project 2025 talks about what to do in the first 150 days in order to achieve its aims as soon as possible. So people should keep that in mind when watching the video of Trump. 6 of the 9 supreme court justices are already on Trumps side (he helped appoint some of them) and I think they ruled that a President can't be guilty of crimes, etc. (Though Trump has said he doesn't know anything about Project 2025 even though he has links to the people behind it)
I guess that is going off topic but my point is that there is good reason to believe that he intends to make changes so that he can still win in four years without any Christians having to vote for him. Or at least he doesn't mind if people think that is his plan. I mean he said about not voting "anymore" or "again" four times (including "You won’t have to do it anymore"). And being "fixed" twice. It seems he doesn't mind if the listeners "got the wrong idea". Remember that his supporters already tried to overrule the election.
“Christians, get out and vote!” yelled Trump. “Just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years. You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine! You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians. I love you, Christians!” He added, “You gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.”
 
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If that is the case please respond to post #19.
How can we know? As I said in a different post, Trump inclines to loosely jump from thought to thought and it does not always make a consistent sense. He would need to clarify what he meant (if he even remembers), our speculations are just speculations.

His linguistic skills do not seem to be too great, its more a bunch of emotional proclamations put together. I would simply wait for a calm interview, official written down election program etc.
 
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How can we know?
It sounds like you can't manage to come up with a defence against post #19.
As I said in a different post, Trump inclines to loosely jump from thought to thought and it does not always make a consistent sense.
He said four times in a row that the Christians will not need to vote in four years (if he wins). Four times.
He would need to clarify what he meant (if he even remembers), our speculations are just speculations.

His linguistic skills do not seem to be too great, its more a bunch of emotional proclamations put together. I would simply wait for a calm interview, official written down election program etc.
Again, remember what happened when he lost an election and his supporters literally tried to take control of the government. Perhaps you always want to think the best of Trump is because he has Christian policies compared to the Democrats.
 
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It sounds like you can't manage to come up with a defence against post #19.
Only the one who said something unclear can clarify what he meant or if it was simply a bad formulation.

He said four times in a row that the Christians will not need to vote in four years (if he wins). Four times.
So? There will be no other presidential elections in the next four years. This could be what he meant.

Again, remember what happened when he lost an election and his supporters literally tried to take control of the government. Perhaps you always want to think the best of Trump is because he has Christian policies compared to the Democrats.
I always want to think the best of Trump? I am just against wild speculations. If it was said by Biden, Harris or anybody else, it would still be the same principle. We should not speculate and let them explain it more.
 
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That is exactly what he meant.

What's do you think the most charitable interpretation of his comment would be?
The sentiment he’s trying to communicate is that they’ll accomplish so much in his second term, that they won’t have to bother voting in the future, because all their desires will have been fulfilled.
 
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The sentiment he’s trying to communicate is that they’ll accomplish so much in his second term, that they won’t have to bother voting in the future, because all their desires will have been fulfilled.
The only way that works is off cause is to end the possibility of people being free to say elect a party to legalise/protect abortion rights.
 
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The sentiment he’s trying to communicate is that they’ll accomplish so much in his second term, that they won’t have to bother voting in the future, because all their desires will have been fulfilled.
That seems reasonable
 
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The only way that works is off cause is to end the possibility of people being free to say elect a party to legalise/protect abortion rights.
I don’t think he intended it to be taken literally.
 
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Perhaps you always want to think the best of Trump is because he has Christian policies compared to the Democrats.
Which Christian policies? Until death do you part? unchecked. Thou shall not steal? unchecked. You shall not commit adultery? unchecked. You should not bear false witness? unchecked. You shall not covet? unchecked. I am looking and I am not sure which Christian policies you are describing.
 
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Perhaps he means that he'll, as an official act of being President that SCOTUS has ruled copacetic, suspend future elections and name his replacement. No need to vote, it's all fixed.
Maybe? Maybe not? With Trump that could go either way.
 
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I don’t think he intended it to be taken literally.
Yet is says so much about his thinking. At the most charitable this is about Trump's stacking of the supreme Court with judges that are quite. Prepared to ignore precedent and checks and balances.
 
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Only the one who said something unclear can clarify what he meant or if it was simply a bad formulation.

So? There will be no other presidential elections in the next four years. This could be what he meant.
So when Trump said they wouldn't vote "anymore" or "again" (four times) he just meant they wouldn't be voting between the 2024 and 2028 voting? So you're saying he wants the voting to just be like it normally is? Then why is he justifying the not having to vote with things being "fixed so good"? What does "fixed" mean exactly? I guess you'll say that only Trump can answer this.
I always want to think the best of Trump? I am just against wild speculations. If it was said by Biden, Harris or anybody else, it would still be the same principle. We should not speculate and let them explain it more.
He did say four times about Christians not needing to vote again after this election. I guess you think it is impossible that Trump could mean it literally but that is what it sounds like. But remember the Capitol attack in January 6 2021.... they literally were ignoring what the voters said to try and stay in power.
 
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Yep, Trump 2024, vote for me and we will end that whole democracy and peaceful fair transfer of power every 4 years.

The one thing he is honest on is his intention to rig the whole election system.
Ha, ha! Context, context, context EVERYONE! Of course you really don't want that. From what I see he was talking about appointing Judges on the Supreme Court which reflected those of the Christian world view. He was well aware that is a major reason the religious community votes because of judges AND look if you elect me he'd make that aspect of why they vote as their main motivation a thing of the past. It will all be done.

Even then he wasn't REALLY saying they wouldn't have to vote. It had to do with a particular subject matter.
 
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I think if you look at the context of who he was talking to and what was the chief motivation that caused them to vote, according to his understanding.....their objectives would be realized.
Their objectives would be realized... meaning what?
 
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Ha, ha! Context, context, context EVERYONE! Of course you really don't want that. From what I see he was talking about appointing Judges on the Supreme Court which reflected those of the Christian world view. He was well aware that is a major reason the religious community votes because of judges AND look if you elect me he'd make that aspect of why they vote as their main motivation a thing of the past. It will all be done.

Even then he wasn't REALLY saying they wouldn't have to vote. It had to do with a particular subject matter.
I think if you look at the context..

Except there's nothing about judges or courts within that context. The video and transcripts were posted elsewhere on these forums.

However, I readily admit that I/we can't say with certainty what he meant.
It could be nefarious, or not. It could be his poor public speaking abilities. It could be cognitive decline.

It was intentional, he repeated it multiple times (four with an implied fifth) so it wasn't a gaffe and there's no clear other 'context' to shift it to. He meanders for almost 2 minutes on Voter ID prior to the comment in question.
 
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