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  • Where in Zechariah 14 is a thousand years mentioned?
  • Where in Zechariah 14 is the new earth mentioned?
  • Where in Zechariah 14 are the glorified saints mentioned?
  • Where in Zechariah 14 is Jesus shown to be on earth?
  • Where in Zechariah 14 is the binding of Satan?
  • Where in Zechariah 14 are the 2 resurrections/judgments?
  • Where in Zechariah 14 is the release of Satan and an unparalleled global uprising 1,000 years after the second coming?
Could you please do a detailed comparison between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20 (the two main often-presented Premil proof texts)?
Great questions. I'll give him a hint. The answer to all of them is "nowhere".

I'd also like him to answer these questions:

  • Where in Revelation 20 is there a description of Jesus on the earth?
  • Where in Revelation 20 is there any reference to earthly Jerusalem?
  • Where in Revelation 20 is there any description of having to go to Jerusalem to worship God and keep the feast of tabernacles?
  • Where in Revelation 20 is there any mention of there being no rain for the people who don't go to Jerusalem to worship God?
  • Where in Revelation 20 is there any mention of having to perform animal sacrifices which is required during the feast of tabernacles?

It's so clear that Revelation 20 and Zechariah 14 have many differences, but people decide to relate them together, anyway. A clear case of trying to make scripture say that they want it to say.
 
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It's so clear that Revelation 20 and Zechariah 14 have many differences, but people decide to relate them together, anyway. A clear case of trying to make scripture say that they want it to say.
Both of those Chapters are unfulfilled future Prophesies. They are not and cannot be separate. They prove the truth of Gods 7000 year Plan for mankind, of the final 1000 years when King Jesus will reign on earth

AMill believers say that Jesus will destroy the earth when He Returns. Isn't this idea somewhat counter-productive?
It is also totally against Revelation 19:11-21, where we are told He destroys the attacking armies at Armagedon by the Sword of His Word and they become food for the carrion eaters.
NOT a total destruction at all and the belief we are in the Millennium now is rubbish.
 
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Both of those Chapters are unfulfilled future Prophesies. They are not and cannot be separate. They prove the truth of Gods 7000 year Plan for mankind, of the final 1000 years when King Jesus will reign on earth

AMill believers say that Jesus will destroy the earth when He Returns. Isn't this idea somewhat counter-productive?
It is also totally against Revelation 19:11-21, where we are told He destroys the attacking armies at Armagedon by the Sword of His Word and they become food for the carrion eaters.
NOT a total destruction at all and the belief we are in the Millennium now is rubbish.
Can you stop your babbling and answer the questions asked in post #20, please? If you want to be taken seriously about this, you will answer them and show how Revelation 20 and Zechariah 14 can possibly be referring to the same things.
 
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Where in Zechariah 14 is Jesus shown to be on earth?

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.




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The Pretribbers take this innocuous passage in 1 Corinthians 10:32, which is simply speaking of eating and drinking onto idols, and build a whole elaborate eschatological theology around it. They do this to support their belief that there are three distinct peoples in this world.
I just have to look around the world and I see the 3 groups - the Body of Christ, Israel and the Nations. God made them all for His purpose.
 
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Amil allows the New Testament to shine light on the OT and the NT authors do not agree with Douggg's doctrine at all.

2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

Very clearly, Peter taught that Jesus will burn up the heavens and the earth when He comes. And then look at what else this indicates. First, Peter referenced the promise of His second coming in verse 4. Then in verse 9 Peter indicated that the Lord is not slow in keeping that promise. Then in verse 13 he said "in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.". That clearly shows that He is being patient and taking His time to return, but when He does He will fulfill the promise of His coming by making the new heavens and new earth our inheritance.
The words `in which,` indicate that in the Day of the LORD, period of time, the heavens and earth will get burnt up. However, that is not on the specific Day of the LORD.

In Greek and Hebrew the word Day has 2 meanings - period of time and specific day. Thus, we need to see the context.

In the OT the Day of the LORD period of time is often described. (Zeph. 1: 14 - 18, Jer. 30: 7 Dan.12: 1 Joel 2: 2)

In the NT Rev. 6: 12 - 17 reveals the specific day of the LORD.
 
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The words `in which,` indicate that in the Day of the LORD, period of time, the heavens and earth will get burnt up. However, that is not on the specific Day of the LORD.
No, the words "in which" do not indicate that it's a period of time. This is nothing more than doctrinal bias on your part.

In Greek and Hebrew the word Day has 2 meanings - period of time and specific day. Thus, we need to see the context.
Yes, and you are missing it. There are other scriptures which indicate that Jesus will destroy all of His enemies when He returns, so why do you not consider those as well?

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Notice how this matches what is said in 2 Peter 3:10-13. Like that passage, Jesus talked about His coming and that it would be unexpected and would destroy all unbelievers like the flood did in Noah's day and would result in heaven and earth passing away. And He indicated that the unexpected destruction would occur on the day of His second coming. That matches what Paul said in 1 Thess 5:2-3 when he indicated that the destruction on the day of the Lord would be sudden and unexpected and it would be such that "they shall not escape".

Your view makes it so that the destruction on the day of the Lord is neither sudden nor unexpected.

In the OT the Day of the LORD period of time is often described. (Zeph. 1: 14 - 18, Jer. 30: 7 Dan.12: 1 Joel 2: 2)
Can we trust Jesus and the NT authors to have known what they were talking about or not? They knew the OT prophecies better than either of us do. I believe we can trust that they would not teach anything that would contradict the OT prophecies. And they made it clear that the day of the Lord will be an actual 24 hour day during which, at some point, Jesus will come, we will be gathered to Him and He will burn up the heavens and the earth, resulting in the destruction of all of His enemies. This is what is clearly taught in the NT, so you should not try to change what Jesus, Peter and Paul clearly taught about the day of the Lord.

In the NT Rev. 6: 12 - 17 reveals the specific day of the LORD.
What is there in Revelation 6:12-17 that suggests to you that the day of the Lord is a period of time? What I see described there is that the day of the Lord is at hand and people are wailing in fear in what is about to very soon come down upon them. I see no indication there that the day of the Lord is a period of time rather than an actual coming 24 hour day whatsoever.
 
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This is an absolute butchering of scripture. A clear case of extreme doctrinal bias. There is no basis whatsoever for making "the day of Christ", "the day of the Lord" and "the day of God" different time periods. Those terms all refer to the same day, which is the day that Jesus Christ will come and gather His own to Himself and destroy all of His enemies. That is what is clearly taught in passages like 1 Thess 4:13-5:11, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Thess 2:1-12, Matthew 24:29-51, Luke 17:26-37, 2 Peter 3:10-13 and Revelation 19:11-21.
 
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I just have to look around the world and I see the 3 groups - the Body of Christ, Israel and the Nations. God made them all for His purpose.
You do, but the Bible does not recognize three spiritual groups. People are either saved or lost.
 
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Zechariah 14:4 says, “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.”

The prophets frequently intermixed literal and figurative language all the time. That makes it difficult to dissect. Even in the midst of the most literal of passages in the Bible, mountains are repeatedly used to impress deep spiritual truths. The predicted mountain moving ministry of John the Baptist is a case-in-point. The result of the cross saw the Gospel go out to both Jew and Gentile alike. The scope of the cross-work reached far-and-wide.

Luke 3:4-5 records, speaking of that great forerunner of Christ – John the Baptist, “As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet (in Isaiah 40:3-5), saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth.”

John 4:10, 14: "Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water ... But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

The living waters is the Holy Spirit. The former sea represents Old Testament Israel and the hinder sea represents the overwhelmingly Gentile New Testament Church. It figuratively represents the Gospel going out to the Jews and the Gentiles through the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Both of those Chapters are unfulfilled future Prophesies. They are not and cannot be separate. They prove the truth of Gods 7000 year Plan for mankind, of the final 1000 years when King Jesus will reign on earth

AMill believers say that Jesus will destroy the earth when He Returns. Isn't this idea somewhat counter-productive?
It is also totally against Revelation 19:11-21, where we are told He destroys the attacking armies at Armagedon by the Sword of His Word and they become food for the carrion eaters.
NOT a total destruction at all and the belief we are in the Millennium now is rubbish.
Premillennialism argues that the 7000 years of history usher in the new heavens on the new earth. Well, what do they do with Satan’s little season when he is loosed to deceive the nations? It doesn’t fit into their narrative. Whatever amount of years that that season picks up it must be added on to their overall number. This totally tears apart their whole 7000 years of history theory.
 
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Premillennialism argues that the 7000 years of history usher in the new heavens on the new earth. Well, what do they do with Satan’s little season when he is loosed to deceive the nations? It doesn’t fit into their narrative. Whatever amount of years that that season picks up it must be added on to their overall number. This totally tears apart their whole 7000 years of history theory.
A very weak rebuttal.
Satan's little season fits in before the 7000 years is over. It is simply the final part of it and King Jesus thousand year reign does not cease until the end, after ALL enemies are destroyed, 1 Corinthians 15:24-25
 
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Saved or lost, but to where? Scriptures please?
Are you not familiar with all people being either saved or lost? Those who are saved go to heaven and those who are lost go to hell. You are not familiar with this elementary concept? What groups did Jesus place people into? Shouldn't we go by that instead of inventing a third group?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
 
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A very weak rebuttal.
Satan's little season fits in before the 7000 years is over. It is simply the final part of it and King Jesus thousand year reign does not cease until the end, after ALL enemies are destroyed, 1 Corinthians 15:24-25
It was an excellent rebuttal for which you obviously have no answer. Is it 7000 years (6000 years til Christ returns + 1000 years) or 7000 years plus however long Satan's little season is? Why won't you address that instead of weakly claiming that it was a very weak rebuttal? Your rebuttal is very weak because it shows a willingness on your part to cherry pick certain scriptures while ignoring others.
 
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Zechariah 14:4 says, “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, [and there shall be] a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.”

The prophets frequently intermixed literal and figurative language all the time. That makes it difficult to dissect. Even in the midst of the most literal of passages in the Bible, mountains are repeatedly used to impress deep spiritual truths. The predicted mountain moving ministry of John the Baptist is a case-in-point. The result of the cross saw the Gospel go out to both Jew and Gentile alike. The scope of the cross-work reached far-and-wide.

Luke 3:4-5 records, speaking of that great forerunner of Christ – John the Baptist, “As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet (in Isaiah 40:3-5), saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth.”

John 4:10, 14: "Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water ... But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

The living waters is the Holy Spirit. The former sea represents Old Testament Israel and the hinder sea represents the overwhelmingly Gentile New Testament Church. It figuratively represents the Gospel going out to the Jews and the Gentiles through the power of the Holy Spirit.
You are saying that Zechariah 14:2-5 is metaphoric ?

SMH
 
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Saved or lost, but to where? Scriptures please?

The fact you have to even ask me that is sad. But it doesn't surprise me. That sums up Pretrib.

The NT makes it clear if we deny Christ is reject salvation. Jesus said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Jesus was our signpost to heaven. He was our direction. He was the way! What is more, when men saw Christ they saw truth, when they heard Christ they heard truth, when they embraced Christ they embraced truth. He also was the embodiment of eternal life. Without Him is spiritual death.

Jesus said, in John 10:1, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.” He then goes on to explain, “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture” (John 10:9).

Favor with God can come only through Jesus Christ. He is heaven’s only means of access to God. Acts 4:12 says, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

This is God’s only way to heaven. Christ is the center-point of salvation. We therefore see that Christ alone is our only way of access to heaven. There is no alternative arrangement pertaining to race or any other distinction. 1 Corinthians 3:11 states, “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”

Of course, Christ is the Rock that the believer stands on. He is the only spiritual foundation for man. Men either build their house upon that Rock or build it upon sand. Sand is self! A house properly built upon the Rock stands firm in the midst of the storm but the house built upon the sand falls apart. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 expressly states, “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time”

This couldn’t be any clearer! There is no Plan B. There is no back-doors into heaven. There is no alternative salvation. There is no other means of man gaining favor with God! There is no other way to become a child of God. There is no other path to be God’s one of God’s elect.

John the Baptist proclaimed in John 3:36, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

There is nothing vague, ambiguous or complicated here. God only sees those in Christ and those not in Christ. There is also no room for fence-sitting here. If a Jew or Gentile (in the Old Testament or the New Testament) loves the Messiah Christ He is one of God's chosen, if he doesn't he is under the wrath of God. Simple!!! Basically: accept Jesus and God accepts you, reject Him and God rejects you.

Jesus said in John 5:23b-24, “He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

Ok, what does this mean? Simple: those Jews and Gentiles that don’t accept Christ, don’t accept the Father. Christ-rejecting Jews and Gentiles are therefore under condemnation and are of their father the devil.

I John 2:22-23 solemnly asks, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ (or Messiah)? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”

Q. Does Israel overwhelmingly deny “that Jesus is the Christ” or Messiah?

A. Absolutely. Therefore, Judaism without Christ is a counterfeit religion. It is apostate! Any belief that denies Christ His rightful place as man's sole Redeemer is destined for destruction. Anyone that rejects Christ (1) is antichrist, (2) belongs to Satan, (3) is part of the kingdom of darkness and is (4) bound for the Lake of Fire.

1 John 5:12: “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”

The teaching of Scripture couldn’t be plainer: Jews who do recognize Christ as Messiah are saved. Jews who do not recognize Christ as Messiah are lost. The only chosen people that God knows and accepts are those that accept His Son. The rest are of their father the devil.

2 John 1:9: “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.”

If a sinner refuses Christ, he refuses the Father. This couldn’t be clearer in Scripture.

Jesus said in Luke 9:48, “whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me.”

So, those that reject Jesus, reject salvation. Those that reject Jesus, reject the Father. Those that reject Jesus, are children of the devil. This is seen throughout the inspired New Testament account.

Jesus said in Matthew 11:6: “blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.”

We don’t need to speculate about what natural Israel currently thinks of Christ.

Jesus said in Matthew 12:30, “He that is not with me is against me.”

There is no neutrality with this Jesus. There is no room for fence-sitting when it comes to Him. You are either for Him or against Him.

Jesus said in John 15:23, “He that hateth me hateth my Father also.”

God does not separate His elect up, He unites them together in Christ. In fact, there is nothing more unbiblical in this new covenant period than trying to divide up the people of God on the grounds of ethnicity. That is spiritual apartheid and runs completely to the New Testament plan of God to bring Jew and Gentile together equally in Christ. The whole mission of Jesus Christ in introducing the new covenant was to unite Jew and Gentile in salvation. Nothing could be clearer in the New Testament!
 
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You are saying that Zechariah 14:2-5 is metaphoric ?

SMH

Read what i wrote.

Zechariah 14 occurred 2000 years ago. Zechariah 14:1 declares, Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.”

Hinneh Behold
yowm- day
baa' cometh
la-Yahweh the Lord
wªchulaq divides
shªlaaleek the spoils
bªqirbeek in the midst

This passage and especially its rendering in the King James Version has caused confusion to many Bible students over the years. However, a closer examination of the original dispels a lot of ambiguity surrounding the text. Firstly, the Hebrew does not actually say “the day of the Lord” as the King James Version renders it but ‘a day is coming for the Lord’.

There is no doubt, the phrase “the day of the Lord” normally relates to the second coming in Scripture, but Zechariah 14:1 does not state that in the original. We cannot therefore, with any certainty, insist upon the fact that this verse is referring to the day of the Lord. This places a completely different slant on the meaning of the whole chapter. Other versions translate the reading more accurate.

The NASB says: "Behold, a day is coming for the LORD when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you."

The YLT states: "Lo, a day hath come to Jehovah, And divided hath been thy spoil in thy midst."

A perusal of the Greek LXX Septuagint rendering of this passage supports this interpretation:

idou Behold
hmerai day
erxontai comes
tou the
kuriou Lord
kai even (or indeed)
diamerisqhsetai divides
ta the
skula spoils
sou you
en with
soi you

When we look at the usage of the Greek throughout the Old Testament (in the Greek LXX Septuagint) and our New Testament we find a definite pattern in relation to the wording and identification of the day of the Lord in the original.

In the New Testament:

Of the five “day of the Lord” passages in the New Testament, they read in the original:

Three are: “hemera kurios” (Acts 2:20, 1 Thessalonians 5:2, 2 Peter 3).

Two are: “hemera ho kurios” (1 Corinthians 5:5, 2 Corinthians 1:14).

In the Greek LXX Septuagint

Of the twenty “day of the Lord” passages in the Old Testament:

Eleven are: “hemera kurios” (Isaiah 13:6, 9, Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3, Joel 1:15, 2:1, 2:31, 3:14, Obadiah 1:15, Zephaniah 1:14, Malachi 4:5)

Four are: “hemera ho kurios” (Joel 2:11, Amos 5:18, 20, Zephaniah 1:7)

We can see, fifteen align precisely with the Greek New Testament wording and confirm that this would be the normal rendering of the coming of Christ in the Greek. That is 75%.

One reads: “hemera ekeinos kurios” (Jeremiah 46:10), also meaning day of the Lord.

One is: “hemera gar kurios” (Isaiah 2:12), literally meaning day for the Lord.

Finally, there are two references (one after the other in Zephaniah) that refer to the same climactic day. One says, “hemera thumos kurios” (Zephaniah 2:2), meaning a day of the Lord’s anger. The other reads, “hemera orge kurios” (Zephaniah 2:3), similarly meaning a day of the Lord’s anger. Plainly, they are both speaking of the same day in the same reading and in the same context.

That brings us to Zechariah 14:1, which is worded completely different from the rest, saying, “hmerai erxontai tou kuriou,” literally meaning “a day is coming for the LORD.” None of the other passages say this. It is not unreasonable to make a distinction between Zechariah’s description and that of the other nineteen references. The only similarity is the King James Version’s translation of the same in the English. Notwithstanding, regardless of how high one values the A.V. one cannot use this as conclusive proof for equating the day Zechariah is speaking of to the other nineteen. The original rendering supersedes any other translations.

Because this does not literally read “the day of the Lord” then we don’t have to understand it as “the day of the Lord.” If it were, it would have most likely read hemera kurios or hemera ho kurios in the Greek LXX Septuagint. Or failing that: hemera ekeinos kurios.

Whilst the wording of Zechariah 14:1 doesn't prevent it referring to the second coming of the Lord Jesus, the phrase ‘a day is coming for the Lord’ and ‘the day of the Lord’ are definitely not synonymous. It is therefore reasonable for us to question Premils identification of it with the second coming of the Lord and to consider the possibility that it relates to Christ’s first advent.

Zechariah 14:1 declares, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.”

There are strong grounds for relating this to the great victory that was wrought through Christ’s sinless life, His atoning death and His victorious resurrection. In keeping with the consistent pattern of the book of Zechariah this would seem to be a first Advent passage. It describes the benefits or “spoil” of which He “divided in the midst” of His Church. Christ rescued many from the firm grip of Satan. The devil was stripped of his influence in the lives of millions of sinners. The spoil in Scripture normally referred to the trophies or reward of victory. This must surely refer to the elect that Christ secured through His comprehensive earthly mission.

1 Chronicles 26:27 tells us: “Out of the spoils won in battles did they dedicate to maintain the house of the LORD.”

Are we not the Lord’s spoil from the enemy’s territory? Whilst the Old Testament temple was literal and physical and was so suitably adorned after battle, the New Testament temple is living and spiritual. We are now the spoil of battle – taken from the devil’s dark domain through the shed blood of Jesus at the cross.

Isaiah 53:10-12 confirms this is speaking of Calvary, when he prophesied of Christ’s first Advent and especially Calvary, “it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

Here we have further confirmation linking the securing of the spoil with the accomplishment of His redemptive work. His redeeming of the elect is presented here as evidence that He had divided the spoil. It reads: “he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death.”

Isaiah 9:2-6 says of the Gospel going out during the intra-Advent period, and the authority and blessings that now is now bestowed in Gentiles through the victory wrought at Cavalry: The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. For thou hast broken the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian. For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire. For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.”

The spiritual light enveloping the darkened Gentiles through the earthly ministry Of Christ is here associated with the dividing of the spoil. This would seem to support the idea that the spoil is those who were being liberated from the enemy’s prison. Countless devotees of Satan would be released through the victorious advance of the Gospel through the once-deceived nations (ethnos).

Christ confirms the meaning of these Old Testament prophecies in Luke 11, when He alludes to Zechariah 14, whilst speaking of His own assault upon Satan and his dark kingdom. Jesus said, if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. When a strong man (Satan) armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him (namely Jesus), he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils (Luke 11:20-22).

This is speaking of Christ’s victory over Satan through His victorious life, death and resurrection and the great “spoil” which He “divided in the midst” of His Church. Christ’ earthly ministry and the introduction of the kingdom of heaven on earth began heaven’s great assault upon Satan and his kingdom. This short period saw the spoiling of the devil’s goods and the disarming of devil’s enormous remit of influence. At every point Satan was decisively defeated on his own territory. The victory was finally secured with Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. This opened up the Gospel opportunity to the Gentiles. Jesus also said in Mark 3:27 “No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.”

Calvary was the place where Satan was bound. This resulted in the spoiling of his goods, the liberating of the prisoner and the enlightenment of the darkened nations. The territory that Satan once exclusively controlled has now been massively invaded by the Lord's subjects and His Kingdom. Those that were once in total darkness can now see. Every enemy of heaven has been finally and completely defeated. All we are therefore waiting for is for the final put down. This occurs at the second coming. Colossians 2:14 explains how Calvary saw the “blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

The phrase having spoiled is taken from the Greek word apekduomai meaning divested or disarmed. Christ disarmed the demonic realm during His ministry and particularly through the finished work of the Cross. Since Calvary, Satan’s kingdom has been restricted from their previous unchallenged global control – Christ “triumphing over them in it.” New King James Version renders it, “Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.” Satan was exposed time after time as Christ and His disciples defeated the minions of hell with the authority of heaven. The Gospel was now free to invade the once-darkened Gentile nations. Not that every single Gentile would believe, but that the nations would now be free to receive the Gospel.
 
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Are you not familiar with all people being either saved or lost? Those who are saved go to heaven and those who are lost go to hell. You are not familiar with this elementary concept? What groups did Jesus place people into? Shouldn't we go by that instead of inventing a third group?

Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Matthew 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
I am so glad you said `heaven.` And that would be for the Body of Christ. (Rev. 3: 21)

Then we read of the disciples and others in the NJ which comes down out of heaven. (Rev. 21: 2)

Finally, we read of the nations on the new earth. (Rev. 21: 24)

So, there are different realms God made and different groups have their inheritance there.
 
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