- Oct 10, 2011
- 24,717
- 5,558
- 46
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Celibate
Jesus knew, or found out, etc, that God in the OT (YHWH/Jehovah) was not always fully omniscient, and that he didn't have absolute power over man, or man's choices, and couldn't see past some of them sometimes, and couldn't ever see past any of them 100% absolutely all of the time, etc.
When he came to this knowledge/revelation/realization, or found this out, I do not know, but he spent long enough in it and with it that it changed his entire thinking, etc, and caused him to grow in understanding after that exponentially, etc.
He eventually claimed equality with the Creator God in the OT, and said that there was a Heavely Father God that was greater than Him or Them both (both Jesus Christ, and God in the OT) but at the same time, did not claim equality with this One, but did claim that the only way to get to or know this One was through him (Jesus) and did not include God in the OT in this at the time that he said it, etc.
John, and some of Jesus Apostles, claimed that Jesus was there in the beginning, and Jesus claimed that he was close to being there in the beginning "maybe", when he said "Before Abraham was, I am", etc. Whether this means he (Jesus) was claiming to be there in the beginning or not, no one really knows, etc, but it is, at least, another one of his instances where he was alluding to, or was claiming, to at least be equal to God in the OT, again, etc.
So, now we maybe have Two that are now claiming to be there in the beginning, or One that we actually know for certain was, and another One that might have been maybe, etc. The One we know for certain that was there was the One who created, or God in creation, and the One with Adam and Eve, and made Adam and Eve, who is God in the OT, etc. But if we are going to fully follow what John and Jesus Apostles said about this, then we now have Two there in the very beginning of Creation and who supposedly created/made everything there is just by speaking a Word and/or using their words starting out just right before anything was made in the OT, etc.
I believe it was YHWH or Jehovah God who made and was God in the OT, but also that Jesus was equal to Him, but was also not literally YHWH/Jehovah God in the OT, etc.
Where Jesus fits into this picture, if he was literally there, we do not know for sure at this point in light of all of this but can only speculate, etc. But his Apostles do claim that it is Jesus who was Creator God, or was the One who made, etc, but that also contradicts what we already know about YHWH/Jehovah God being the One who made, and Jesus own position is a little bit unclear on this, etc.
Jesus took over, that's for sure, and the whole entire religion might have died without him, etc. YHWH/Jehovah God might have gone completely forgotten without him, etc.
If Jesus was guilty of any kind of sin, it would have been in his claiming equality with God in the OT, and with proposing this "Higher God" actually, or in all actuality etc, but is that a sin if he was correct, etc? I guess only you can decide that, etc. But some think it could have been the same sin as the Devil, and might have been, or was bordering on being, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, etc, especially since that was going to be Jesus new name for God in the OT, and position in this new Trinity arrangement, etc. Some will claim he never had the authority to do that, and that it was the sin of the Devil, or that he was committing the same sin as the Devil, and was committing the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, etc.
Either way, he did physically die, and then was brought back to life, and was resurrected, etc. And I don't think any of that could have happened if he was not right, etc, or was at least, or was in the very least, at least shows that he was 100% for sure 100% fully forgiven, etc.
I'll leave you with that much for now, for there is a lot, lot more to fully say, but just know that neither one of them (Jesus or YHWH) is the literal Devil, but that is another separate entity, but that's a story for another time, as it's a whole other story.
God Bless.
When he came to this knowledge/revelation/realization, or found this out, I do not know, but he spent long enough in it and with it that it changed his entire thinking, etc, and caused him to grow in understanding after that exponentially, etc.
He eventually claimed equality with the Creator God in the OT, and said that there was a Heavely Father God that was greater than Him or Them both (both Jesus Christ, and God in the OT) but at the same time, did not claim equality with this One, but did claim that the only way to get to or know this One was through him (Jesus) and did not include God in the OT in this at the time that he said it, etc.
John, and some of Jesus Apostles, claimed that Jesus was there in the beginning, and Jesus claimed that he was close to being there in the beginning "maybe", when he said "Before Abraham was, I am", etc. Whether this means he (Jesus) was claiming to be there in the beginning or not, no one really knows, etc, but it is, at least, another one of his instances where he was alluding to, or was claiming, to at least be equal to God in the OT, again, etc.
So, now we maybe have Two that are now claiming to be there in the beginning, or One that we actually know for certain was, and another One that might have been maybe, etc. The One we know for certain that was there was the One who created, or God in creation, and the One with Adam and Eve, and made Adam and Eve, who is God in the OT, etc. But if we are going to fully follow what John and Jesus Apostles said about this, then we now have Two there in the very beginning of Creation and who supposedly created/made everything there is just by speaking a Word and/or using their words starting out just right before anything was made in the OT, etc.
I believe it was YHWH or Jehovah God who made and was God in the OT, but also that Jesus was equal to Him, but was also not literally YHWH/Jehovah God in the OT, etc.
Where Jesus fits into this picture, if he was literally there, we do not know for sure at this point in light of all of this but can only speculate, etc. But his Apostles do claim that it is Jesus who was Creator God, or was the One who made, etc, but that also contradicts what we already know about YHWH/Jehovah God being the One who made, and Jesus own position is a little bit unclear on this, etc.
Jesus took over, that's for sure, and the whole entire religion might have died without him, etc. YHWH/Jehovah God might have gone completely forgotten without him, etc.
If Jesus was guilty of any kind of sin, it would have been in his claiming equality with God in the OT, and with proposing this "Higher God" actually, or in all actuality etc, but is that a sin if he was correct, etc? I guess only you can decide that, etc. But some think it could have been the same sin as the Devil, and might have been, or was bordering on being, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, etc, especially since that was going to be Jesus new name for God in the OT, and position in this new Trinity arrangement, etc. Some will claim he never had the authority to do that, and that it was the sin of the Devil, or that he was committing the same sin as the Devil, and was committing the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, etc.
Either way, he did physically die, and then was brought back to life, and was resurrected, etc. And I don't think any of that could have happened if he was not right, etc, or was at least, or was in the very least, at least shows that he was 100% for sure 100% fully forgiven, etc.
I'll leave you with that much for now, for there is a lot, lot more to fully say, but just know that neither one of them (Jesus or YHWH) is the literal Devil, but that is another separate entity, but that's a story for another time, as it's a whole other story.
God Bless.
