Another jesus. Another gospel.

[Maria Billingsley]

It seems as though you're saying that by doing those 5 things, Jesus was breaking the law. How could His forgiving people's sins involve Him breaking the law? As for healing on the Sabbath, look at the example of Him healing a man with a withered hand:

“10 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" — that they might accuse Him. 11 Then He said to them, "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift [it] out? 12 "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."” (Mt 12:10-12 NKJV)

You overlooked the intervening of a stoning mid stream. Surely that is enough to convince? If not...how about forgiving sins on behalf of G_d circumventing the Levitical Sacraficial System? Let us reason. There are numerous occurrences where Jesus Christ of Nazareth rose above His Law. What those who are under the law do not understand is, the Gospel frees one from the bondage of the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You overlooked the intervening of a stoning mid stream. Surely that is enough to convince? If not...how about forgiving sins on behalf of G_d circumventing the Levitical Sacraficial System? Let us reason. There are numerous occurrences where Jesus Christ of Nazareth rose above His Law.

I think you're confusing His forgiveness or something that was never a sin, with a perceived flaw in His character. Jesus faithfully kept the law, taught not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 because it leads one down the wrong path. Mat 15:3-14 Jesus is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 and could not be our Savior or example if He had broken or "rose above His law" in any way, which He didn't John 15:10 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15. It makes Him a hypocrite condemning those for breaking, while breaking Himself. This is really an attack on His holy character, so I hope you will reconsider what you're really teaching.

The Sabbath is not part of the sacrificial system, it is part of God's Ten Commandments that defines sin when breaking 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 personally spoken and written on the Authority of God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 that no one is above, to change or edit anything. Mat 5:18 Psa 89:34 thus saith the Lord.

What those who are under the law do not understand is the Gospel frees one from this bondage.

Is this the freedom you speak of?

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

What is life and peace? Lets let Jesus answer....

Life:
Mat 19:17 So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Peace:
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Rebelling against God's law, is not the path that leads one from the freedom of the bondage of sin, Jesus is trying to save us from Mat 1:21

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I decided to list more broken laws out of the 613 Mitzvot:

-To honor the old and the wise (Lev. 19:32) (CCA17)
Called the Pharisees vipers
-To cleave to those who know Him (Deut. 10:20) (the Talmud states that cleaving to scholars is equivalent to cleaving to Him) (CCA16).
We know He cleaved only to The Father.

-Not to add to the commandments of the Torah, whether in the Written Law or in its interpretation received by tradition (Deut. 13:1) (CCN159).
We know He added two New Commandments.

Not to put any Jew to shame (Lev. 19:17) (CCN79)
We know many were put to shame who were hypocrites.

Shall I go on?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I decided to list more broken laws out of the 613 Mitzvot:

-To honor the old and the wise (Lev. 19:32) (CCA17)
Called the Pharisees vipers
-To cleave to those who know Him (Deut. 10:20) (the Talmud states that cleaving to scholars is equivalent to cleaving to Him) (CCA16).
We know He cleaved only to The Father.

-Not to add to the commandments of the Torah, whether in the Written Law or in its interpretation received by tradition (Deut. 13:1) (CCN159).
We know He added two New Commandments.

Not to put any Jew to shame (Lev. 19:17) (CCN79)
We know many were put to shame who were hypocrites.

Shall I go on?

So either Jesus is a hypocrite, or one does not understand scriptures. I am going with the latter.

Jesus never "added" to the Ten Commandments- believing in Him and loving our neighbor is all demonstrated through keeping God's law, not breaking it.

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I think you're confusing His forgiveness or something that was never a sin, with a perceived flaw in His character. Jesus faithfully kept the law, taught not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 because it leads one down the wrong path. Mat 15:3-14 Jesus is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 and could not be our Savior or example if He had broken or "rose above His law" in any way, which He didn't John 15:10 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15. It makes Him a hypocrite condemning those for breaking, while breaking Himself. This is really an attack on His holy character, so I hope you will reconsider what you're really teaching.

The Sabbath is not part of the sacrificial system, it is part of God's Ten Commandments that defines sin when breaking 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 personally spoken and written on the Authority of God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 that no one is above, to change or edit anything. Mat 5:18 Psa 89:34 thus saith the Lord.

Is this the freedom you speak of?

Rom 8"6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

What is life and peace? Lets let Jesus answer....

Life:
Mat 19:17 So He said to him, [e]“Why do you call Me good? [f]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Peace:
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Rebelling against God's law, is not the path that leaves one from the freedom of the bondage of sin, Jesus is trying to save us from Mat 1:21

Perceived flaw? He is perfect! He rose above the law. Not easy to understand when one is under it. Remember what Jesus Christ of Nazareth said:

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I understand it is difficult to understand. Thanks for engaging! Be blessed.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Perceived flaw? He is perfect! He rose above the law. Not easy to understand when one is under it.

Our words are not scripture. Jesus said something different....

John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin (breaking God's law)? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

Remember what Jesus Christ of Nazareth said:

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I understand it is difficult to understand. Thanks for engaging! Be blessed.

No, its not difficult to understand if one reconciles the scriptures. So why would one teach something the Pharisees were doing that Jesus condemned as our righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees and why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 the verse before Mat 5:20 All of God's commandments are righteous (right doing) Psa 119:172

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (only found in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Teaching to keep our rules over obeying God's commandments is following the steps of the Pharisees, their righteousness instead of following the righteousness of Jesus through His teachings John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Mark 7:7-13 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 2:27 and by His example John 15:10 Luke 4:16 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

I pray one considers in prayer.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Our words are not scripture. Jesus said something different....

John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin (breaking God's law)? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

No, its not difficult to understand if one reconciles the scriptures. So why would one teach something the Pharisees were doing that Jesus condemned as our righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees and why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 the verse before Mat 5:20 All of God's commandments are righteous (right doing) Psa 119:172

Mat 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (only found in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:14) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Teaching to keep our rules over obeying God's commandments is following the steps of the Pharisees, their righteousness instead of following the righteousness of Jesus through His teachings John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Mark 7:7-13 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 2:27 and by His example John 15:10 Luke 4:16 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22

I pray one considers in prayer.

Thanks for sharing !

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

You overlooked the intervening of a stoning mid stream. Surely that is enough to convince? If not...how about forgiving sins on behalf of G_d circumventing the Levitical Sacraficial System? Let us reason. There are numerous occurrences where Jesus Christ of Nazareth rose above His Law. What those who are under the law do not understand is, the Gospel frees one from the bondage of the law.

Jesus gospel IS repentance from sin as defined by the commandments! JESUS came first to preach repentance and the Kingdom of heaven, John the baptist prepared the way for him to do so, this is the will of God that we repent from Sin and enter HIS Kingdom, all are invited but who will make it? Those Who do as Jesus did, the will of GOD!

 

[Icyspark]

While I do not typically join in this sub-forum, we know for a fact that Jesus followed all 613 commandments, and was perfect in infinitely more ways, so that means Jesus kept to the Sabbath. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, that He fulfilled the law.

Matthew 5:17 (NIV): "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Not so.

Hi Maria Billingsley,

I gave you the opportunity to provide a more detailed explanation of your truncated statements in this post, but you deferred and referred me back to AlexB23's comment.

The impression your "Not so" words give is that Jesus was not the perfect Lamb of God and that you are in alignment with those who follow another jesus and another gospel—which Paul says is not good news at all. Your jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. Your jesus was a sinner and the Pharisees would be the good guys in your sin-ario since they had the God-given task of identifying and condemning false messiahs, blasphemers, and Sabbath transgressors.

1) He stopped the stoning of a woman in adultery.

The attempted stoning of this woman was a setup which the Jewish authorities were in on.

John 8:1-11​

Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.​

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“Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”​

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They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.​

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When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”​

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“No, Lord,” she said.​

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And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”​

Let me note a few things from this passage:

1. It was "the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees" who brought the woman to Jesus.
2. They brought the woman to Jesus because "they were trying trap him into saying something they could use against him."
3. Jesus didn't condemn, but neither did He condone. He told her, "Go and sin no more."
4. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango. The man from this "act of adultery" wasn't brought to Jesus.

This interaction doesn't mean Jesus was changing the law. As the Giver of the law and as the Defense, Prosecutor, Judge and Jury, He can have mercy on whom He will have mercy.

2) Denounced religious rulers

Yes, and? John the Baptist denounced religious rulers. So?

The prophets whom Jesus sent often rebuked those in authority for going astray from His revealed will. When Jesus came, He too corrected the religious leaders for elevating their traditions above the commandments of God. He spent much of His ministry doing this. He especially went out of His way to strip off the human rules which were being attached to His seventh day Sabbath. I would find it amazing to think of how much effort He put into this particular task and put Himself in such danger if it was His intention to just say, "Nah! I was just kidding!"

3) Touched lepers

So? Jesus touched a leper and then guess what? No leprosy! If there's no leprosy, how could the religious leaders find fault? The idea of not touching a leprous individual was not to contract the disease yourself and also spread the disease. Isn't it obvious that far from spreading the disease or contracting it Himself, Jesus was actually reversing the disease? Think it through.

4) Healed on the Sabbath

I find it odd that people like you come along 2,000+ years later and attempt to condemn Jesus as a sinner when even the teachers of the law and Pharisees weren't able to make this accusation stick. They were offended at Jesus's healing ministry, but Jesus's response to their attempts to condemn Him silenced their attack:

Matthew 12:9-13​

Then Jesus went over to their synagogue, where he noticed a man with a deformed hand. The Pharisees asked Jesus, “Does the law permit a person to work by healing on the Sabbath?” (They were hoping he would say yes, so they could bring charges against him.)​

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And he answered, “If you had a sheep that fell into a well on the Sabbath, wouldn’t you work to pull it out? Of course you would. And how much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Yes, the law permits a person to do good on the Sabbath.”​

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Then he said to the man, “Hold out your hand.” So the man held out his hand, and it was restored, just like the other one!​

• Who was it that asked if the law permitted a person to work by healing on the Sabbath? The Pharisees!
• After providing some context clues for why healing was permissible on the Sabbath (i.e., it's lawful to do good on the Sabbath), Jesus healed the man right in front of the Pharisees. Did they do anything at that time with Jesus? No. But an even more important point—and pay attention here—they didn't bring this up at His trial! The Pharisees were actual witnesses of what you would suppose is a transgression of the law (making your jesus a sinner, btw). At the trial these Pharisees had to resort to false witnesses in order to fault in Him, but even then these "witnesses" contradicted each other.

5)Forgving people's sins ( this is a big one)

You're gonna have to provide more context because I have no idea what point you're attempting to make here.

As I noted above, God can have mercy on whom He will have mercy. Jesus—as God—can certainly forgive people's sins. Unless you don't believe Jesus is God. Then we're back on point, where you're having another jesus and another gospel.

I am certain there are more.

Blessings

And I'm certain those who believe my Jesus sinned can certainly come up with more false accusations.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[eleos1954]

One of the most astounding and annoying positions held by many of the anti-Sabbatarians I've talked to is that Jesus broke the Sabbath. These people present their jesus with a straight face and insist that he could transgress the law that he was born under with impunity. Their jesus, because he is god, can do as he pleases and could break the law and still be supposedly "sinless." But consider for a moment how this position—if played out to it's logical confusion—would impact on anything and everything else the Bible plainly reveals about the real Savior of the Bible. If this other jesus can break the fourth commandment, why can't he break any of the other commandments, laws, ordinances or decrees he imposed on his people? What about murder? Adultery? Theft? Worshipping other gods? Coveting? Or sexual immorality? Do you really believe in a god who says "Do as I say, don't do as I do?"

The one that I think would be the most potentiality troubling would be the command against bearing false witness. Hebrews 6:18 says that "it is impossible for God to lie," but using the rationale for allowing jesus to break the Sabbath shouldn't we also find that it is just as likely that he should also be allowed to lie? Maybe he was lying about it being impossible for him to lie? How can you trust a god who cannot abide by the rules he demands of his own creatures?

When confronted by an angry mob which was ready to kill Him, Jesus asked the rhetorical question, "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?" The Pharisees, Sadducees and teachers of the law were constantly following Jesus looking for any reason to condemn Him. Members of the Sanhedrin were with Jesus on several occasions where they challenged Him on the question of proper Sabbath observance. If they could find Him guilty of breaking the Sabbath then they would have the legal rationale for condemning Him to death. But at His trial what do we see? Because Jesus was truly righteous, truly sinless (and not just a said sinlessness which anti-Sabbatarians attribute to Him) the Sanhedrin had to resort to producing their own false evidence.

Matthew 26:59, 60​

The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put Him to death. But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.​

Why look for "false evidence" and produce "many false witnesses" when the Sanhedrin had it's own members as actual witnesses of what would constitute "real" evidence worthy of their desire to impose the death penalty? But if jesus really did break the law then God's ordained representatives on this planet were directed to impose capital punishment. The Pharisees would then be the good guys for carrying out God's directives for them as shepherds of His people. Really, wouldn't noncompliance with the law be a beacon revealing any false messiah? Next!

The Jesus of the Bible is both 100% God as well as 100% man. This is the mystery of the incarnation (i.e., how God became man). But while the Bible acknowledges Jesus as being both God and man, anti-Sabbatarians routinely focus primarily on their jesus's god-ness to the near exclusion of his man-ness. This exclusionary thinking creates serious theological problems for them as they attempt to articulate their jesus. For instance, the Bible says that God doesn't get tired or weary (Isaiah 40:28). Yet while the incarnate Jesus was fully God, His human side definitely got tired and weary (John 4:6). We're also told that God doesn't get hungry (Psalm 50:12), but we also know that Jesus did get both thirsty (John 19:28) and hungry (Matthew 4:2). The Jesus of the Bible is also acknowledged as saying His Father was greater than Himself (John 14:28). In His human form Jesus also stated that only His Father knew the time of His own return to earth (Matthew 24:36), but Jesus did not know this information.

Hebrews 2:17​

For this reason He had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that He might make atonement for the sins of the people.​

Was it at all possible for the human side of Jesus to succumb to temptation? Satan certainly thought so. He went at Jesus when He was humanly at His weakest and tempted Him in areas he thought He might falter. Jesus's response to the tempter was not to simply ignore the temptations, or to send the devil off to oblivion. Jesus set an example for us in His confrontation by quoting Scripture in response to each temptation (this reminds me of putting on the full armor of God and utilizing the "sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God").

Hebrews 4:15​

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.​

What do you think? Was Jesus tempted in all points as we are but because He didn't give in to those temptations He was really and truly "sinless"? Or, do you believe that the temptations could've all been embraced and the jesus you believe in, whom we're told "was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin," had only a said sinlessness? Is it "good news" that your jesus can and does break the laws he insists that his followers must obey? Is it "good news" that when your jesus finds out one of his creatures has broken one of his laws that he has been known to punish that individual to the full extent of the law (even though he himself cannot apparently abide by his own law)? What kind of jesus is this that you are attempting to foist on the unsuspecting? It's certainly not the One whom Paul preached.

2 Corinthians 11:4​

For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!​

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Galatians 1:6-9​

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!​

Do you really want to be included with a group of people who are perverting who Jesus really is and His true gospel?

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I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

There is nothing wrong with Gods laws ... it is about the law ... but more importantly it's about what motivates one to keep it. That motivation is supposed to by out of Love of our creator. Why did Jesus keep the law? Because He loved the Father. Kept out of love.

If one tries to keep the law for any other reasons other than love of our Lord and Savior then that is works not love.

We keep the 7th day Sabbath out of love ... a day He created for mankind to gather and spend with Him ... and honoring Him as our creator on the day He designated, blessed it and made it holy.

The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines holiness as being “exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness.” The original words meaning holy are qadosh in Hebrew and hagios in Greek. These words mean to be set apart, sacred, and sanctified.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

I decided to list more broken laws out of the 613 Mitzvot:

-To honor the old and the wise (Lev. 19:32) (CCA17)
Called the Pharisees vipers
-To cleave to those who know Him (Deut. 10:20) (the Talmud states that cleaving to scholars is equivalent to cleaving to Him) (CCA16).
We know He cleaved only to The Father.

-Not to add to the commandments of the Torah, whether in the Written Law or in its interpretation received by tradition (Deut. 13:1) (CCN159).
We know He added two New Commandments.

Not to put any Jew to shame (Lev. 19:17) (CCN79)
We know many were put to shame who were hypocrites.

Shall I go on?

Lady you blaspheme against GOD. Who put in your mind the poisons that you spread in this post? show me where Jesus sinned or refrain from Insulting the Lord.

 

[Icyspark]

There is nothing wrong with Gods laws ... it is about the law ... but more importantly it's about what motivates one to keep it. That motivation is supposed to by out of Love of our creator. Why did Jesus keep the law? Because He loved the Father. Kept out of love.

Hi eleos1954,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

This is exactly right. There was nothing wrong with God's laws. The author of Hebrews makes it abundantly clear that the reason for the new covenant/agreement was not due to any problem with God's perfect laws. "God found fault with the people ... because they did not remain faithful to" their part of the old agreement. God's part of the old covenant/agreement was solid. The people's part? Not so much.

If one tries to keep the law for any other reasons other than love of our Lord and Savior then that is works not love.

More truth! If we claim to love our Lord and Savior and our works do not align with that claim then our love is not validated.

We keep the 7th day Sabbath out of love ... a day He created for mankind to gather and spend with Him ... and honoring Him as our creator on the day He designated, blessed it and made it holy.

Amen.

The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines holiness as being “exalted or worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness.” The original words meaning holy are qadosh in Hebrew and hagios in Greek. These words mean to be set apart, sacred, and sanctified.

I've often heard critics claim that no one can keep the Sabbath holy. The author of Hebrews says we are to, "make every effort to be holy ... for without holiness no one will see the Lord." So cannot a holy person properly observe God's holy day? It would seem like a nonissue to me.

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Lady you blaspheme against GOD. Who put in your mind the poisons that you spread in this post? show me where Jesus sinned or refrain from Insulting the Lord.

He was without sin. He was above the law.

The law of LOVE is no insult. It is truth.

Think what you wish of me. We are no longer under the bondage of the law.
Thanks for sharing.

 

[Icyspark]

He was without sin. He was above the law.

Hi Maria Billingsley,

Can you tell me at what point Jesus went from being under the law to being "above the law"?

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi Maria Billingsley,

Can you tell me at what point Jesus went from being under the law to being "above the law"?

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the Flesh. Do you really think our Creator, who always existed ,is under the Mosaic Law? Let us reason. The law was created for the disobedient man. He was not disobedient. He fulfilled the law , as He said He would. Only God can do that.

 

[Icyspark]

Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the Flesh. Do you really think our Creator, who always existed ,is under the Mosaic Law? Let us reason. The law was created for the disobedient man. He was not disobedient. He fulfilled the law , as He said, He would. Only God can do that.

Hi Maria Billingsley,

So, it's good to know you believe Jesus is God. However, it is apparent you don't know your Bible.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the Flesh. Do you really think our Creator, who always existed ,is under the Mosaic Law? Let us reason. The law was created for the disobedient man. He was not disobedient. He fulfilled the law , as He said, He would. Only God can do that.

How could He be our example to follow had He not kept the law. Heb 4:15 1 John 2:6 I believe you have a great misunderstanding about God’s law. It’s not for those who are disobedient. It’s for those who love Jesus. John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Exo 20:6 John 15:10 and have faith in Him and His teachings. Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 Mar 7:7-13 John 14:15 Mat 5:19-30 which leads to reconciliation Rev 22:14.

Those who say they know Him but do not keep His commandments there is no truth in them 1 John 2:3-6 i.e. it’s the wrong path Rom 6:16 Rev 22:15

Whoever taught you these things about Jesus and His law is not doing you any favors. Gods law is not meant to save one, it’s kept because our Father asks us to keep and a saved person obeys the voice of God.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

How could He be our example to follow had He not kept the law. Heb 4:15 1 John 2:6 I believe you have a great misunderstanding about God’s law. It’s not for those who are disobedient. It’s for those who love Jesus. John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Exo 14:30 John 15:10 and have faith in Him and His teachings. Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 Mar 7:7-13 John 14:15 Mat 5:19-30 which leads to reconciliation Rev 22:14.

Those who say they know Him but do not keep His commandments there is no truth in them 1 John 2:3-6 i.e. it’s the wrong path Rom 6:16 Rev 22:14-15

Whoever taught you these things about Jesus and His law is not doing you any favors. Gods law is not meant to save one, it’s kept because our Fathers asks us to and a saved person obeys the voice of God.

Well let's just agree to disagree.
Be blessed.

 

[Icyspark]

Well let's just agree to disagree.
Be blessed.

Hi Maria Billingsley,

Do you believe that before the cross that the people were under the law? Are people still under the law? Why or why not?

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi Maria Billingsley,

Do you believe that before the cross that the people were under the law? Are people still under the law? Why or why not?

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Jews were under the law after Moses, it was only given to them not the Gentiles. Abraham was found righteous by faith, he was not given the law. Jews can be released from tbe bondsge of the law under the New Covenant through Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It is a choice by repentance, changing one's mind, that one can receive His Holy Spirit which is the Key to salvation.