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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

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lifepsyop

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I've told you. Flat earthers argue that the sun moon and stars are in a solid firmament dome above the flat earth. If you are arguing something different then you need to explain what it is you are arguing.

I'm not arguing anything different than that. But it is you who is arbitrarily assuming that the dome structure would have to be a small enough scale where you'd notice distortion in constellation shapes at different perspectives on earth.

We can't see things which exceed the limits of our vision. So how come we can still see them? What are the limits of our vision? You don't give specifics, just baseless claims.

Probably poor wording on my part. By exceeding a limit of vision, I mean something is so far away that it appears to vanish below the horizon line. This will demonstrably occur on a large enough flat surface, it's just how perspective works.

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In the flat earth model, the dome of stars is well beyond our horizon line. We would not see constellation distortions on a rotating surface that is so far away, no matter where on the earth we viewed it from.

Unlike your argument, the heliocentric model is based on actual measurements

yes whatever measurements will explain away why we are supposedly spiraling through outer space at 500,000+ MPH yet no noticeable change to the stars over thousands of years.

Your model is forever trying to explain why everything we experience is all a cosmic illusion.

some nice high-altitude visuals... looks pretty flat... just saying.

 
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Equivocation. People are not allowed to freely explore the region of Antarctica. They are only allowed limited contact with the continent in approved areas / guided tours. I'm sure you know that.

I've been saying this for 90 pages or more, but alas to no avail, Globalists just can't get their head around the fact that Antarctica circumferences the earth.

Proverbs 8:29
when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

 
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Isaac Newton to Neil DeGrasse Tyson and probably everyone in between. "spooky action from a distance"
How is that a claim that it "doesn't make sense"
We don't know anything about the phenomenon called gravity. We don't know if it's an actual force or not.
We absolutely do know that it is a force, a force of attraction between objects with mass. We don't know why there is a force of attraction between objects with mass, but we can measure it, and we can accurately predict it based on the size of masses and the distance between them.
Gravity is also described as the expression of "spacetime curvature"... or a property of space and time itself.
Heck, we don't really understand what light is, since it behaves both as a wave and a particle, but we use it all the time, expecially for transmission of huge volumes of data over optical fibre.
It's weird and probably not as well tested as you think.
You could probably say that about every aspect of God's creation, but to suggest it is not well tested is incredibly naive.
To make the current theory of relativity and gravitation work, physicists have had to make up a completely imaginary, undetectable object that fills 85% of the universe. (known as Dark Matter). It's not a good sign for a theory when you have to make things up like that to hold it together.
Its a helluva lot better option than a flat disc now travelling upwards at many times the speed of light.
 
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that's assuming the conclusion to what is being debated
No it isn't. The globe earth is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt. If you dispute this then please explain how the following flights can exist on a flat earth.
  • Qantas QF64 - Airbus 380 - Johannesburg to Sydney 11 hours 55 minutes 11044km
  • Qantas QF63 - Airbus 380 - Sydney to Johannesburg 14 hours 20 minutes 11044km
  • Qantas QF27 - Boeing 787 - Sydney to Santiago 12 hours 40 minutes 11363km
  • Qantas QF28 - Boeing 787 - Santiago to Sydney 14 hours 30 minutes 11363km
  • Latam LA8058 - Boeing 787 - Sao Paulo to Johannesburg 8 hours 45 minutes 7452km
  • Latam LA8059 - Boeing 787 - Johannesburg to Sao Paulo 10 hours 10 minutes 7452km
  • Latam LA8205 - Airbus 321 - Sao Paulo to Santiago 3 hours 52 minutes 2617km
  • Latam LA8204 - Airbus 321 - Santiago to Sao Paulo 4 hours 15 minutes 2617km
Airbus 321 max speed 904km/h
Airbus 380 max speed 945 km/h
Boeing 787 max speed 902 km/h

 
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I'm talking about regular accessible flights going over the south pole and continuing to the other side.
Why are you ignoring all the land expeditions which have passed through the South Pole?
If an average person was able to fly in roughly a straight line from Australia to South America, going over the south pole itself... well Flat Earth theory would be toast. However, in the age of affordable mass commercial flights all over the world, this type of route does not happen, (and likely will never happen if the earth is indeed flat)
The closest you could get is direct flights from Perth in Western Australia to Buenos Aires in Argentina, however there does not appear to be any significant number of Argentinians living in Perth so it seems unlikely that such a flight would be economically viable. None of the great circle routes for flights which actually do go between the Southern continents actually pass over Antarctica. Sydney to Santiago passes just below the 60 degree parallel
 
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I'm not arguing anything different than that. But it is you who is arbitrarily assuming that the dome structure would have to be a small enough scale where you'd notice distortion in constellation shapes at different perspectives on earth.
I have to make some assumptions, because you guys can't/won't give any figures yourself. I'm assuming the diameter of your flat earth is approximately 40 thousand km (twice the distance from the North pole to Antarctica) and I'm assuming the firmament starts at the edge and is circular which means it will be 20 thousand km high above the North pole. Please feel free to correct my assumptions if you believe them to be wrong.

Probably poor wording on my part. By exceeding a limit of vision, I mean something is so far away that it appears to vanish below the horizon line. This will demonstrably occur on a large enough flat surface, it's just how perspective works.

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In the flat earth model, the dome of stars is well beyond our horizon line. We would not see constellation distortions on a rotating surface that is so far away, no matter where on the earth we viewed it from.
In your picture above, all the red lines are parallel. If you were on a road travelling South, and the road forked such that one branch went Southeast and the other went Southwest, looking South you will never see those two branches of the road converge. The stars in the night sky are like the fork in the road, each one is in a different direction. There are no parallel lines converging to a vanishing point. Your argument is smoke and mirrors.
yes whatever measurements will explain away why we are supposedly spiraling through outer space at 500,000+ MPH yet no noticeable change to the stars over thousands of years.

Your model is forever trying to explain why everything we experience is all a cosmic illusion.
But you have no argument to dispute it. You haven't shown it to be false. All you've given is your say so.
some nice high-altitude visuals... looks pretty flat... just saying.

The curvature of the horizon is not generally discernable below 35,000 ft, so sure, at 21,700 its still going to look pretty flat. Now if this guy used a water level to determine eye level, he would have found that the horizon was significantly lower than eye level due to the curvature of the earth.
 
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The curvature of the horizon is not generally discernable below 35,000 ft, so sure, at 21,700 its still going to look pretty flat. Now if this guy used a water level to determine eye level, he would have found that the horizon was significantly lower than eye level due to the curvature of the earth.

These are over 100,000 feet altitude.




Again, the earth horizon appears to be very flat no matter how high you go. (assuming you aren't using a GoPro / "fisheye" lens)

I'm pretty sure that if the earth was a globe, then there should be a lot of visible curvature at this altitude.
 
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These are over 100,000 feet altitude.




Again, the earth horizon appears to be very flat no matter how high you go. (assuming you aren't using a GoPro / "fisheye" lens)

I'm pretty sure that if the earth was a globe, then there should be a lot of visible curvature at this altitude.

Undeniable proof, thanks lifepsyop. Now all's we need to do is prove the firmament ??? :D :blacksunrays::crescentmoon:
 
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These are over 100,000 feet altitude.


Nice videos
Again, the earth horizon appears to be very flat no matter how high you go. (assuming you aren't using a GoPro / "fisheye" lens)
Something you guys always ignore regarding the fisheye lens, is that when the horizon is positioned in the centre of the lens, it is not affected by barrel distortion. The curvature of the horizon is clearly visible in those situations in high altitude footage.
I'm pretty sure that if the earth was a globe, then there should be a lot of visible curvature at this altitude.
Given that the first video is using a 7.2mm lens which has a horizontal field of view of 47 degrees, and the second is using a 5.4mm lens which has a horizontal field of view of 60 degrees, they are both showing a much narrower field of view than what is visible to the naked eye (approximately 120 degrees for binocular vision, 210 degrees overall).
How much curvature did you calculate you should be able to see at that altitude and with that HFOV on a globe earth?
 
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Nice videos

Something you guys always ignore regarding the fisheye lens, is that when the horizon is positioned in the centre of the lens, it is not affected by barrel distortion.

I've seen this before many times. The surface of the earth appears curved when the earth horizon is in the lower 3rd of the frame. Every now and then the camera POV will dip down and the earth horizon suddenly completely flattens out. And the horizon even inverts the other way in a concave manner if the horizon line moves up to the top 3rd of the frame.

The curvature of the horizon is clearly visible in those situations in high altitude footage.

Are you sure you're seeing real curvature?

This one's pretty bad. If you look close you can see the fisheye distorting the landscape itself at the edges of the screen, but of course what gives it away is the fisheye curvature is seen in the very beginning when the balloon is still on the ground looking out at a parking lot.



Even aside from obvious fisheye lenses... at least some measure curvature is part of the nature of camera lenses generally.

Field Curvature, also known as “curvature of field” or “Petzval field curvature”, is a common optical problem that causes a flat object to appear sharp only in a certain part(s) of the frame, instead of being uniformly sharp across the frame. This happens due to the curved nature of optical elements, which project the image in a curved manner, rather than flat.
 
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By exceeding a limit of vision, I mean something is so far away that it appears to vanish below the horizon line.
<ROFL>

Hmmmm... why is that a lot farther away on a mountaintop than it is at sea level ? And why do objects at sea level disappear from the bottom up? And no, the view doesn't change under magnification. Stuff below the horizon is still invisible. No imaginary "mists", either, or any other made up rubbish.

C'mon, crank out all the standard flerfie canards.

Does gravity stick us to the ground, or air pressure? If air pressure, then in the absence of gravity, why does it exist?

How does a Foucault pendulum work? How does the sun manage to rise in the east and set in the west in every part of your hubcap shaped world? Why are there different constellations in the southern part of the pizza, and why do they move in opposite directions? My old ham operator favorites, how does Earth-Moon-Earth ("moon bounce") communication work,, or better yet, how does "long path" HF propagation (aiming north to work a station south of you, and vice versa) happen (as it surely does). Come to think of it, how does HF propagation work at all? No ionoshpere to skip off of. (Drat you, you've just made ham radio, at least the fun parts, impossible!)

BTW, engineers don't allow for the curvature of the earth because it's irrelevant, roads folow the terrain (you have seen a road before, I assume). Ditto railways, and canals. Bridge towers are never parallel, although on fairly short spans that's extraordinarily difficult to prove (the globe is Really Big, you see). "Down" is always toward the center of the earth, and "up" is away from it, so compass directions in and of themselves are completely irrelevant to the flow of water. Yes, the surface of the oceans do conform to the curvature of the earth, the irregularly of the sea floor not withstanding because.. water.

There is no solid clear roof above the earth, visible or otherwise. And since it isn't there, there are no windows in it to allow the waters above to fall threough in the form of rain, because there aren't any waters above except in the form of clouds. And yes, the sun is 93,000,000 miles away (1 AU), and the earth orbits it.

That's how God designed and created all this stuff, as a bit of study would make obvious. If you find that unacceptable, take it up with the Great Engineer of the Universe Himself. Maybe you can give Him some helpful suggestions.


This will demonstrably occur on a large enough flat surface, it's just how perspective works.
Baloney

In the flat earth model, the dome of stars is well beyond our horizon line.
Because a flat earth model is inherently ridiculous.
yes whatever measurements will explain away why we are supposedly spiraling through outer space at 500,000+ MPH yet no noticeable change to the stars over thousands of years.
God can't have created anything rthat big, right?
Your model is forever trying to explain why everything we experience is all a cosmic illusion.
Nope. it's all beautifully designed by God Himself. It's when you try to shrink it down to a zilionth of its actual magnitude that you end up with the kind of childish babble that typifies Flerfie cosmology. You lot have invented a Rube Goldberg universe, and tried to put the blame on God. The good news is that one has only to study God's Creation itself to see that the Flerthie notions of the universe are complete garbage.
some nice high-altitude visuals... looks pretty flat... just saying.
You see what you want to see, especially when you have a lot of emotional capital tied up in seeing it.
 
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And no, the view doesn't change under magnification. Stuff below the horizon is still invisible.

I take it you've done this yourself ? If you had you will find that stuff when magnified comes back into view.
 
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I take it you've done this yourself ? If you had you will find that stuff when magnified comes back into view.
We have, and it doesn't.
I honestly don't know how flat earthers can keep repeating this lie, especially those who call themselves Christians.
 
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There is no solid clear roof above the earth, visible or otherwise. And since it isn't there, there are no windows in it to allow the waters above to fall threough in the form of rain, because there aren't any waters above except in the form of clouds. And yes, the sun is 93,000,000 miles away (1 AU), and the earth orbits it.

Do know how ridiculous you sound ?

That's how God designed and created all this stuff, as a bit of study would make obvious.

This is not what the Bible says.

it's all beautifully designed by God Himself.

I totally agree.
 
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