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FBI identifies Trump rally shooter as Thomas Matthew Crooks <--- Thread is about the perpetrator, the crime, and the motivation, not Trump

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Talk of authoritarian isnt exactly discouraged when the prominent American "conservative" political conference hosts someone like Viktor Orban as their keynote speaker. This is dead center American political conservatism here, not some off in the weeds fringe group.

If they dont want to be called authoritarian leaning they shouldnt embrace and fete authoritarian heros. And onlookers shouldnt be blamed for raising alarms in the proper terms.

Viktor Orban has been elected to the position of prime minister....hasn't he?

I don't know enough about Hungarian politics to say if he's a dictators or authoritarian....but I do know the left seems to hold European nations that are white and Christian and reject mass immigration and multiculturalism to a different standard than they do Arab/Muslim majority nations or Asian nations that reject multiculturalism.
 
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Talk of authoritarian isnt exactly discouraged when the prominent American "conservative" political conference hosts someone like Viktor Orban as their keynote speaker. This is dead center American political conservatism here, not some off in the weeds fringe group.

If they dont want to be called authoritarian leaning they shouldnt embrace and fete authoritarian heros. And onlookers shouldnt be blamed for raising alarms in the proper terms.
So that's a no vote from you. Okay.
 
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Conservatives say that begging left-wing revolutionaries not to shoot us in the head when they wage war against regular Americans and their families.

...We hope in earnest that the left allows their revolution to be bloodless.

Dude....that was the right saying that when they take over the goverment and implement project 2025, the revolution will be bloodless as long as the left doesn't resist. It was in relation to the whole project 2025, by their guy.
 
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He made up bogus allegations about widespread fraud,

That he did....though I don't know if he knew these allegations were untrue.

This doesn't amount to much....the media made plenty allegations of collusion with Russia in 2016, and voter suppression in 2022.



then had a bunch of his aides and lawyers try to get alternate electors to submit phony certificates of ascertainment to Pence, hoping that Pence would count them (and thus, give Trump a win) instead of the real ones that went for Biden.

This is a fair point...if he's guilty of these things, if he put together this plot, the DOJ should have put this on the fast track and given it all the seriousness it deserves....

Because it's the sort of thing that would actually prevent him from running and put him in jail. Unfortunately, the sheer number of legal attacks has given the appearance that few, if any, have much validity.
 
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I'm not saying that the Secret Service couldn't have done things better. I think that's obvious.

It's important to remember that basically anyone in that crowd could have fired at Trump with a concealed gun. A vehicle could have pulled up 150 yards away and taken a shot. A drone could be flown in with an explosive attached...

Its nearly impossible to cover all possibilities.




I'd tend to agree but we don't know all the details.
More information is coming out and it’s looking even worse for the Secret Service.
 
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Fake Staged PsyOp??

Sorry, the Jesse Ventura forum is in another section.

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That was the angle I was taking at the beginning, but now that it's come out that the local cops were inside the building, it's looking more like an oversight than a lack of resources.
Lack of Secret Service resources, I mean, requiring dependence on local law enforcement.
 
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Lack of Secret Service resources, I mean, requiring dependence on local law enforcement.


  • 5:10 p.m. Crooks was first identified as a person of interest
  • 5:30 p.m. Crooks was spotted with a rangefinder
  • 5:52 p.m. Crooks was spotted on the roof by Secret Service

  • 6:02 p.m. Trump takes the stage
  • 6:12 p.m. Crooks fires first shots
 
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The revelation of the timeline came as sources told ABC News that Crooks searched on his phone for images of President Joe Biden and former President Trump and searched for the dates of Trump’s rally in Butler and for dates of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

Meanwhile, two sources familiar with the situation told ABC News Wednesday that before the rally, the Secret Service requested a local police cruiser to be positioned at the AGR building, but local police officials were not able to provide one. The detail was first reported by the Washington Post.

[The ladder] does not appear to have been used to climb on the roof and was not found at the scene.

Investigators believe Crooks made his way to the spot where he fired from by scaling an air conditioning unit of an adjacent building accessible from the ground and pulling himself up onto the roof, sources said.

Investigators are actively looking to see if perhaps Crooks covered his tracks by using “burners” or other communication devices.



[from link in previous post]
 
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This is an interesting wrinkle:

Secret Service counter snipers positioned on buildings close to the rally stage were aware the AGR building was being used as a staging area by law enforcement, sources said. Investigators believe that could have led to a split-second delay in the Secret Service sharpshooters' reactions because they had to first figure out whether the suspect was a threat, sources said.
 
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  • 5:10 p.m. Crooks was first identified as a person of interest
  • 5:30 p.m. Crooks was spotted with a rangefinder
  • 5:52 p.m. Crooks was spotted on the roof by Secret Service

  • 6:02 p.m. Trump takes the stage
  • 6:12 p.m. Crooks fires first shots
6:05 p.m. Crooks asks the Secret Service if they can position Trump better to give him a clearer shot.
 
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This is an interesting wrinkle:

Secret Service counter snipers positioned on buildings close to the rally stage were aware the AGR building was being used as a staging area by law enforcement, sources said. Investigators believe that could have led to a split-second delay in the Secret Service sharpshooters' reactions because they had to first figure out whether the suspect was a threat, sources said.
It took 20 minutes and only after he fired his rifle to make that determination?

  • 5:52 p.m. Crooks was spotted on the roof by Secret Service
  • 6:02 p.m. Trump takes the stage
  • 6:12 p.m. Crooks fires first shots
 
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Daddy's a Libertarian. Mommy's a Democrat. Unless his politics differed wildly (and they might have, he registered as a Republican) he probably heard a lot of negative things about Trump....frequently.
The statistical majority of households in American don't like Trump. If that's all it takes, there would be a lot more assassination attempts.
 
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Do you understand BlackRock's role in society as it pertains to the economy?
Yes, but you are implying that they specifically chose Crooks for their purpose, and you're making that implication based solely on his fleeting appearance in a video that was actually about his teacher.
 
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