FBI identifies Trump rally shooter as Thomas Matthew Crooks <--- Thread is about the perpetrator, the crime, and the motivation, not Trump

[essentialsaltes]

They don’t have any evidence.

What nonsense.

 

[BPPLEE]

What nonsense.

Just correcting your grammar. You said they don’t have no evidence
”They don't have no evidence. They have no evidence (as yet) indicating a motive (or conspiracy).”
So it’s your nonsense

 

[Merrill]

No, if there is no evidence that he acted with anyone else, logic dictates that he acted alone. We don't know that there is zero evidence...we only know that there is little evidence that he behaved abnormally.

"No, if there is no evidence that he acted with anyone else"

not what I said. If no evidence has been found, it doesn't mean he acted alone. It could mean that he took careful steps to cover his tracks

A 20 year-old male in 2024 is very likely to have a social media presence, Internet history, chat history, etc. --for a guy to have NO history is very suspicious

 

[RDKirk]

"No, if there is no evidence that he acted with anyone else"

not what I said. If no evidence has been found, it doesn't mean he acted alone. It could mean that he took careful steps to cover his tracks

A 20 year-old male in 2024 is very likely to have a social media presence, Internet history, chat history, etc. --for a guy to have NO history is very suspicious

When conversations with others reveal a humdrum personality, it's not that unthinkable. It could be evidence of recent sudden dramatic withdrawal.

Absence of evidence _is_ evidence of absence. Rumsfeld was wrong. It's certainly not evidence to spin out an entire conspiracy theory.

 

[Merrill]

When conversations with others reveal a humdrum personality, it's not that unthinkable. It could be evidence of recent sudden dramatic withdrawal.

Absence of evidence _is_ evidence of absence. Rumsfeld was wrong. It's certainly not evidence to spin out an entire conspiracy theory.

humdrum personalities don't go launch elaborate assassination attempts on a presidential candidate

ever

they are motivated by insanity (Son of Sam types), self-promotion and fame (Hinkley), or politics and ideology (Princip, etc.)

now I realize the political left just wants this to go away, and is basically saying "nothing to see here", but it isn't going to go away.

assassins have motives and leave evidence

they don't do things spontaneously and leave absolutely no evidence

if a registered Democrat who expressed support for the Democratic Party and Joe Biden suddenly decides one day to shoot the president, we should be asking "why would he do that? what was the motive? this doesn't make sense"

sometimes, conspiracy theories are real, as in the case of Gavrillo Princip

 

[BPPLEE]

When conversations with others reveal a humdrum personality, it's not that unthinkable. It could be evidence of recent sudden dramatic withdrawal.

Absence of evidence _is_ evidence of absence. Rumsfeld was wrong. It's certainly not evidence to spin out an entire conspiracy theory.

They just got access to his cell phone.

 

[durangodawood]

humdrum personalities don't go launch elaborate assassination attempts on a presidential candidate

ever

That sounds totally wrong. Often its their humdrum-ness that keeps them on the outs, socially. And so they concoct a "big plan" to get themselves attention. Probly the only reason they dont go for presidents is just theres not much opportunity, compared to other targets closer to hand.

I mean, "he was just a quiet guy who kept to himself" is pretty much a cliche - because it happens a lot.

 

[BPPLEE]

Where did you see the timeline for the above information?

Now there’s a story that says he was spotted 30 minutes before the shooting

Trump rally gunman spotted by law enforcement nearly 30 minutes before shots fired, sources say

Channel 11 News uncovered dramatic new details Monday in the moments leading up to the assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump.

www.wpxi.com

 

[Merrill]

That sounds totally wrong. Often its their humdrum-ness that keeps them on the outs, socially. And so they concoct a "big plan" to get themselves attention. Probly the only reason they dont go for presidents is just theres not much opportunity, compared to other targets closer to hand.

I mean, "he was just a quiet guy who kept to himself" is pretty much a cliche - because it happens a lot.

he was always a quiet guy who kept to himself

but after the killing, we find all kinds of crazy things in his house, including letters to Jodie Foster, political manifestos, and notes about talking dogs

but in this case we find an basically empty house with a scrubbed computer?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Not a direct answer to your question, but AP story spells out the sequence if not the timeline.

[Rallygoers point shooter out to local LEO. LEO climbs to roof; shooter points gun at him/her.]

The officer retreated down the ladder, and the gunman quickly fired toward Trump, the officials said.

Watch: Trump shooter pointed out to police minutes before attack

One onlooker raised the alarm with police, but they failed to stop Thomas Crooks before he opened fire

www.telegraph.co.uk

Can't help but think if this guy had been black the cop would have immediately opened fire. Who can point a gun at a cop in any situation and live to tell about it? Even if that cop was too scared to approach him with the rifle there should have been an immediate radio call and convicted felon Trump should have been immediately ushered off stage. Literally over the radio "SHOOTER! SHOOTER! SHOOTER! I SAY AGAIN WE HAVE A SHOOTER!"

 

[BPPLEE]

Watch: Trump shooter pointed out to police minutes before attack

One onlooker raised the alarm with police, but they failed to stop Thomas Crooks before he opened fire

www.telegraph.co.uk

Trump rally gunman spotted by law enforcement nearly 30 minutes before shots fired, sources say

Channel 11 News uncovered dramatic new details Monday in the moments leading up to the assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump.

www.wpxi.com

 

[Ana the Ist]

I see chatter about his voter registration:

According to the CNN article, Crooks was a registered republican, however...

Federal Election Commission records show that a donor listed as Thomas Crooks with the same address gave to a Democratic-aligned political action committee called the Progressive Turnout Project in January 2021.


For many people (especially young people), when they register to vote, they often just register as the same thing as their parents. (that's what I did when I was 18, and didn't bother to change it until I was in my late-20's.)


So I don't know if either of these is enough to establish a potential motive.


Usually, when younger people like this commit such crimes, they often leave behind "manifestos" or several breadcrumbs on their social media (which I'm sure the Secret Service and FBI have already subpoenaed)

Buffalo shooter manifesto was scrubbed from the internet in 1 day and media reported his motives 2 days later.

Nashville trans shooter....still unreleased and "motive" is still unreported by most media.

I think that the longer we aren't told a motive, the more likely the motive was politically left.

 

[durangodawood]

he was always a quiet guy who kept to himself

but after the killing, we find all kinds of crazy things in his house, including letters to Jodie Foster, political manifestos, and notes about talking dogs

but in this case we find an basically empty house with a scrubbed computer?

Hinkley was kind of crazy. Actually crazy. This guy just seems more a sad bullied loner. And smart too, aparently. He probably knew theyd come for his soc media and scrubbed it himself for whatever reason.

If there was an actual conspiracy here, the last thing "they" would do is fabricate a personality and oops! forget to give him a soc media presence.

 

[BPPLEE]

 

[essentialsaltes]

No timeline on this, but just previous info:

The shooter was spotted by local law enforcement who thought he might’ve been acting suspiciously near the event magnetometers on Saturday, according to a senior law enforcement official. They put it out over their radio to keep an eye on him- and that information was passed to Secret Service as well, according to the source.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Maybe the shooter has seen his family torn apart by devotion to Donald Trump.

His family doesn't seem torn apart.

 

[wing2000]

Now there’s a story that says he was spotted 30 minutes before the shooting

Trump rally gunman spotted by law enforcement nearly 30 minutes before shots fired, sources say

Channel 11 News uncovered dramatic new details Monday in the moments leading up to the assassination attempt on former president Donald Trump.

www.wpxi.com

ok. I guess we'll see if the local news reporter's source information is verifiable.

 

[RDKirk]

humdrum personalities don't go launch elaborate assassination attempts on a presidential candidate

How elaborate was it, really?

 

[rjs330]

Of course it will. Many Americans are probably buying more firearms for their homes as we speak.

Yes they are preparing for the coming civil war.

 

[BPPLEE]

His family doesn't seem torn apart.

Headline: Trump indicted for inciting his own assassination attempt