Catholic University hosts transgender and drag queen book display for children

[rturner76]

Can't judge a murderer or rapist?

Yes we can. Those are crimes that have a victim. Victimless crime does not need to be regulated. We have our morality and I actually share it. I would never have homosexual sex nor attempt to change my gender. I am not in charge of other people's morality until it comes to crime with a victim. Then even as a secular society, we are obliged to stop those people. However people that don't share our moral convictions concerning LGBTQ issues have the right to do so in a society where there is a separation of church and state. Once we start making laws based on religion, who's religion/denomination should rule the country?

 

[RileyG]

That certainly does not seem enough to justify the accusation that children are being "saturated" with it.

I honestly don’t know for sure. I graduated from high school ten years ago.

 

[RileyG]

Pretty sure there isn’t a sodomy club…

Really? LGBT+ et al I think that’s what she meant.,..but I don’t think they actually talk about private sex acts lol

 

[RileyG]

Yes we can. Those are crimes that have a victim. Victimless crime does not need to be regulated. We have our morality and I actually share it. I would never have homosexual sex nor attempt to change my gender. I am not in charge of other people's morality until it comes to crime with a victim. Then even as a secular society, we are obliged to stop those people. However people that don't share our moral convictions concerning LGBTQ issues have the right to do so in a society where there is a separation of church and state. Once we start making laws based on religion, who's religion/denomination should rule the country?

They have a right to live as they choose, yes, but simply judging their actions as wrong or sinful isn’t hateful or bigoted. By their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[RileyG]

Um… If the first place you go to when you hear people of the same background have assembled is specifically a male on male sex act, I’m not sure what I’m supposed to do about that.

An overwhelming majority of people think that when like minded individuals come together, they’re talking about issues of relevance to them, offering support, and just generally interacting in a space they feel is controlled. Most people don’t immediately start thinking about the type of sex they or anybody else could be having. What a weird connection to make.

I agree with you completely. In public schools their can be a PFLAG or Gay-Straight Alliance as long as they have a sponsor for support, discussion etc. that’s their right

Private schools have a right to determine what clubs or organizations that are available.

I’m completely tolerant of others.

 

[expos4ever]

However - anyone who is convinced that God made a mistake or that they are something that they are not has been deceived by evil spirits.

I know nothing about the arguments that putatively undergird the belief that a transition in gender is a healthy option. My gut feeling is that gender transitions are a mistake and harm the person affected.

But it is just a gut feeling and, wisely I suggest, I defer to the appropriately qualified medical / psychology experts on these matters. And I have no knowledge of what these experts have to say.

Now then, on the matter of whether "God makes mistakes", I would point out that probably no conservative Christian would object to attempts to surgically fix someone born with a seriously disfiguring birth defect. How do you know that it is not the case that someone can be born with the body of one gender and a brain that is physically wired for the opposite gender? And that the best thing for them is to make the body match the brain?

I certainly don't know this. I suggest a little more humility is required here. What seems revolting and disgusting to you may be something that is factually beneficial to someone else. God certainly does make mistakes in the sense that people are born with serious physical problems of all sorts. So I don't think the "God doesn't make mistakes" argument has any validity.

 

[RileyG]

LGBT is an intrinsic disorder as result of the fall- not sinful in of itself unless acted upon- it's not that God made mistakes, according to Catholic Moral Theology.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I wouldn't want a "straight club". Kids don't need to be discussing sex at that age and in school.

I think the issue is that your brain is taking you there, not that it’s actually a group where people talk about sex. That all being said, middle school on up is not an inappropriate time for kids to ask questions about sex. Do they do it at school clubs? Not any one that I’ve been to or overseen.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Yes we can. Those are crimes that have a victim. Victimless crime does not need to be regulated. We have our morality and I actually share it. I would never have homosexual sex nor attempt to change my gender. I am not in charge of other people's morality until it comes to crime with a victim. Then even as a secular society, we are obliged to stop those people. However people that don't share our moral convictions concerning LGBTQ issues have the right to do so in a society where there is a separation of church and state. Once we start making laws based on religion, who's religion/denomination should rule the country?

You don't find introducing children to adult themed situations a problem?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Right. I belonged to the Irish club and the Italian club too, in school. I am not blessed with either of those ethnicities but I liked the kids who were in the clubs and they were fun clubs to belong to.

I was in German club and we did not talk about Germany even once. LoL

 

[Chrystal-J]

I think the issue is that your brain is taking you there, not that it’s actually a group where people talk about sex. That all being said, middle school on up is not an inappropriate time for kids to ask questions about sex. Do they do it at school clubs? Not any one that I’ve been to or overseen.

Why not call it a "Friends" or "Student" club if the issue isn't about sexuality?

 

[RileyG]

I think the issue is that your brain is taking you there, not that it’s actually a group where people talk about sex. That all being said, middle school on up is not an inappropriate time for kids to ask questions about sex. Do they do it at school clubs? Not any one that I’ve been to or overseen.

I can understand what you're saying, and I think you're right. That being said, who would the middle school ask sex about? Their parents? teachers? When I was their age, neither one wanted to talk about it. My parents still get uncomfortable seeing sex scene or nudity scenes in movies.

I watched a lot of horror movies when I was a teen, and a ton of them had nudity or sex scenes in them. My parents did not like that. lol

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Still begging the question: Why (what principle(s)) do lawmakers employ to legislate that some sex acts are permissible and others not?

Sex acts between consenting adults is not legislated…

 

[RileyG]

Why not call it a "Friends" or "Student" club if the issue isn't about sexuality?

It's essentially when gay students come together for support- I have no idea if talk about sex or not? who knows?

 

[Chrystal-J]

Really? LGBT+ et al I think that’s what she meant.,..but I don’t think they actually talk about private sex acts lol

Yes, I meant the concept of L-Q actions being introduced to children. We don't have "Stripper Clubs" for a reason.

 

[Chrystal-J]

It's essentially when gay students come together for support- I have no idea if talk about sex or not? who knows?

But at the age of 12, shouldn't they be focusing on different things?

 

[RileyG]

Yes, I meant the concept of L-Q actions being introduced to children. We don't have "Stripper Clubs" for a reason.

You're right!

I don't think the attraction is a choice, but I also agree some conservative or Christian parents do not want LGBT clubs in school because they see it as promoting sin, which it is.

 

[RileyG]

But at the age of 12, shouldn't they be focusing on different things?

Yup! Sexual identity can be discussed at a later age, but I think it's ok to have SOME options open, but people have a right to say no and question it. I mean, I think we should look at BOTH sides of the issue, and determine what is best.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Really? LGBT+ et al I think that’s what she meant.,..but I don’t think they actually talk about private sex acts lol

And what kind of mind immediately assumes that an LGBTQA+ group is discussing sodomy? Especially since the B and T wont all find it relevant and the L and A portion definitely won’t.

 

[RileyG]

Right. I belonged to the Irish club and the Italian club too, in school. I am not blessed with either of those ethnicities but I liked the kids who were in the clubs and they were fun clubs to belong to.

As an Episcopalian, I assume you're of English descent? Irish and Italian club sounds pretty cool, though.