Science and the Bible

[d taylor]

And yet you listen to men who tell you foolish stories that are easily shown to be false.

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I listen to one Man, Jesus who created and made His creation heaven and earth.

 

[The Barbarian]

I listen to one Man, Jesus who created and made His creation heaven and earth.

So you're telling us that Jesus told you that humans didn't land on the moon? I think you're attributing things to Jesus that He never said.

 

[The Barbarian]

You can post articles all you want and state "we have done this and done that". But until you can say i did this or i did that, you are just repeating claims you believe from so and so

I can check the literature and see what has been done. And no, "everyone else is lying" is not an excuse for you.

No conspiracy as large and widespread as one like this would have to be, could ever succeed. Too many people would have to be in on it.

 

[Jipsah]

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You can post articles all you want and state "we have done this and done that". But until you can say i did this or i did that, you are just repeating claims you believe from so and so to be true and that is all you are doing.

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I've bounced 2 meter signals off the moon and actually talked (via Morse code) with other hams that way. A lot of work and money (it was another old man's rig) but fun to do sometimes. Kinda knocks the " the moon is a lightbulb hanging from the earth's ceiling" nonsense into a cocked hat. Kinda the same way that long path propagation does flat earth rubbish. But as I recall you don't believe in HF propagation at all, do you? Too much science going on there. It still works, though.

 

[Jipsah]

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You were the one stating: We can study the evidence for ourselves.

But you have yet to show me how you have studied science's evidence for yourself. All you have done is post pictures you have taken from the internet.

And what are we trying to provid evidence for right now? That the moon exists, or that it isn't a light bulb (or have we still not proven the existence of electricity yet?) hanging from the snow globe above us?

And no, no one can compel you to believe in Australia if you really don't want to. After all, it could just be a ruse for all you know. Faked information being repeated by the NWO or the International Zionist Conspiracy or the Commies or somebody.

 

[Jipsah]

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Therefore let no one boast in men.
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours: whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come—all are yours. And you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

That's why I don't believe in Argentina.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

I constantly get asked about this. The general opinion is that science does not need the Bible and the Bible does not need science. That is not true. Science and the Bible are like our left and are right hand and they should fit together like a glove fits our hand. Science needs the Bible the most. Because everything is in the Bible, so we can verify the truth of what we believe with the Bible.

So the real question is: Does the Bible need science. Paul tells us that God has revealed Himself in HIs Creation. Science is the study of God's creation. God gives us lots of artifacts and lots of natural evidence like fossils. Through Science and the Study of God's creation, we come to know our Creator. God wants us to know what He is doing so that is why there is so much for us to study in Creation using Science and the evidence Science has gathered for us.

We need to do a study on what wisdom, knowledge and understanding is. Proverbs is loaded with teaching on this. For example Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction."

I use science to test not what the bible says, but interpretations of what the bible says. It's why I no longer believe the earth is the center of the physical universe, but it IS the center of MAN's universe.

 

[Ace777]

I use science to test not what the bible says, but interpretations of what the bible says. It's why I no longer believe the earth is the center of the physical universe, but it IS the center of MAN's universe.

Nothing is at the center of the universe. Our galaxy does revolve around a center but it is a black hole because the gravity is so great.

 

[The Barbarian]

Nothing is at the center of the universe. Our galaxy does revolve around a center but it is a black hole because the gravity is so great.

The center of the galaxy is not the center of the universe. It's kind of a meaningless idea. You might as well ask what is the center of the Earth's surface.

 

[Ace777]

The center of the galaxy is not the center of the universe.

I said >NOTHING< is at the center of the universe. Just space which I suppose is something.

"Empty" space is not truly empty, but rather contains many things, including:

• Vacuum energy
• Higgs field
• Spacetime curvature
• Gas, dust, wind, light
• Electric and magnetic fields
• Cosmic rays
• Neutrinos
• Dark matter
• Dark energy
• Quark and gluon field fluctuations
• Cosmic microwave background (CMB)

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Nothing is at the center of the universe. Our galaxy does revolve around a center but it is a black hole because the gravity is so great.

Could be. The bible is silent on it and scientists are trying to figure it out.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

• Dark matter
• Dark energy

We know so little. But this science Bible debate has been going on for centuries like faith v. reason debate.

 

[Ace777]

We know so little. But this science Bible debate has been going on for centuries like faith v. reason debate.

I can understand if there were a conflict but Science and the Bible perfectly agree with each other.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I can understand if there were a conflict but Science and the Bible perfectly agree with each other.

Any examples?

 

[d taylor]

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Besides science giving false information about God's creation. Science is also contributing heavily to the idleness of man. As God created man to work and even now after sin came into the world. The work will be difficult in life and require toil.

But many of the work opportunities man may have, are now being replaced by automation and computers. The type of work that requires no great education, but just a person who is willing to put in a days work each day.

The jobs ( most manual type of work) these people are capable of doing, are being now done by machines, computers and automation. All at the hands of science and their replacing of the simple task, that many people are capable of doing. So what do these people do now, sit back and let the government take care of them. Because these people are not going to all of the sudden be able to go and become an accountant, banker, lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc.....

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Besides science giving false information about God's creation. Science is also contributing heavily to the idleness of man.

And yet here you are using a computer, the gift of science.

 

[d taylor]

And yet here you are using a computer, the gift of science.

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Ok so how does that change anything. Just because i use a computer, i am not suppose to criticize science in areas where i see them in conflict with The Bible.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

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Ok so how does that change anything. Just because i use a computer, i am not suppose to criticize science in areas where i see them in conflict with The Bible.

Right, Be consistent.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I can understand if there were a conflict but Science and the Bible perfectly agree with each other.

They don't really disagree because they speak to different interests, theology and nature. Unless, of course , one takes a very literal young Earth creationist view. Then we have a problem.

 

[d taylor]

Right, Be consistent.

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So bow down to the science god. If you think that will be me, you had better rethink you assessment.