Jesus has broken the Sabbath

[JesusFollowerForever]

John 5:18
For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

I am aware that most commentators are of the opinion that Jesus did not break the Sabbath and that the Jews had falsely accused him, but if you look at it more closely, the Jews were actually right in their accusation that Jesus broke the Sabbath.

Reason:
The law says you shall not bear any burden on the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:21-22). That this commandment is to be understood in exactly this way can be seen from the fact that God had a man stoned to death for carrying only wood on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36). Jesus broke this commandment by commanding the healed man to carry his bed (John 5:10-11). The Jews were right in their accusation in this regard. And the clear proof that Jesus broke the Sabbath lies in the fact that John the author of the Gospel agrees with this in verse 18. If Jesus had not broken the Sabbath, he would not have expressed himself in this way but would have made it clear that the Jews were lying.

The reason why Jesus broke the ceremonial commandments like the Sabbath was not because he was a sinner for he is sinless but because he wanted to show that these commandments are to be understood spiritually. The Sabbath was never to be the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath was Jesus Christ, who is the true rest in which we should enter, as Paul said. Paul also said that God never wanted animal sacrifices, but that the true sacrifice is Jesus. The Old Testament is only a shadow, the New Testament is the fulfilment and the reality.

I am really fed up with people like you not believing in Christ and put a stain on Jesus reputation.

1-Jesus is the son of GOD you owe him your life and everything including your eternal life if HE chooses to grant it to you on judgment day, have you no fear of the lord?

2- Jesus is the master of the sabbath and earth, and the universe. All authority was given to Him forever.

3-they blamed Jesus for healing on the sabbath. is doing Good deeds on the sabbath a crime? No it is the essence of the law to love one another, Jesus Magnified the sabbath by doing God 's will as is written in the 10 commandments. Jesus Never broke the law in any way he fulfilled it perfectly.

4- You completely misinterpreted the law and do not understand the teaching of Jesus. the sabbath IS ON THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK. why? because GOD himself wrote this and made this for us ( jews and Gentiles, yes Gentiles also) as a perpetual sign.

Exodus 20:8-11, states:

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Exodus 31:16-17 (Kjv):

"Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

Please, understand scripture before dragging it through the mud like you did.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

LOL I replied to the OP that person was last for the lase time seen last year... LOL

but I meant what I said and will say it again, people wake up Jesus Is the way to eternal life, NO ONE ELSE! Follow all he said and NO ONE ELSE!

 

[Cornelius8L]

Exodus 20:8-11, states:

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Exodus 31:16-17 (Kjv):

"Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

You should then honor what this commandment truly instructs: work for six days to keep the seventh day holy. This is the only way to sanctify the seventh day (not by going to church, singing hymns, or listening to sermons). According to the commandments written by God's finger, working for six days sets the seventh day apart.

I am really fed up with people like you not believing in Christ and put a stain on Jesus reputation.

By the way, please explain how Jesus worked for six days. If you say He preached or healed, He did so every day, not just six days. If these activities are considered work, then He would be condemned for working. Please share your insights on this matter.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

You should then honor what this commandment truly instructs: work for six days to keep the seventh day holy. This is the only way to sanctify the seventh day (not by going to church, singing hymns, or listening to sermons). According to the commandments written by God's finger, working for six days sets the seventh day apart.

yes i agree,
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

By the way, please explain how Jesus worked for six days. If you say He preached or healed, He did so every day, not just six days. If these activities are considered work, then He would be condemned for working. Please share your insights on this matter.

Healing the sick is not considered work, that would be the thinking like the pharisee that have added to GOD'S Commandments. Here is what Jesus says;

Healing of a Man on the Sabbath​

Luk 14:1 And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.
Luk 14:2 And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy.
Luk 14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;
Luk 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:6 And they could not answer him again to these things.

Why could they not answer him? Part of the reason is because it was contrary the the pharisee's own definition of the sabbath commandments, they considered an act or mercy and Love like healing or helping in a time of need work and breaking the sabbath. it would have been an admission that they were wrong! They added so much instructions to the sabbath command that it became a burden!

Jesus explained what the commandments are all about: Love;

Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

How can anyone leave someone to remain sick on the sabbath if you can heal them, or how could anyone leave an animal or person stuck in a pit and not help it out of the pit on the sabbath day. if someone did that, It would be breaking God's law! (LOVE)

Peace

 

[Cornelius8L]

yes i agree,
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Healing the sick is not considered work, that would be the thinking like the pharisee that have added to GOD'S Commandments. Here is what Jesus says;

Healing of a Man on the Sabbath​

Luk 14:1 And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him.
Luk 14:2 And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy.
Luk 14:3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;
Luk 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
Luk 14:6 And they could not answer him again to these things.

Why could they not answer him? Part of the reason is because it was contrary the the pharisee's own definition of the sabbath commandments, they considered an act or mercy and Love like healing or helping in a time of need work and breaking the sabbath. it would have been an admission that they were wrong! They added so much instructions to the sabbath command that it became a burden!

Jesus explained what the commandments are all about: Love;

Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

How can anyone leave someone to remain sick on the sabbath if you can heal them, or how could anyone leave an animal or person stuck in a pit and not help it out of the pit on the sabbath day. if someone did that, It would be breaking God's law! (LOVE)

Peace

According to the commandments written by God's finger, working for six days sets the seventh day apart.

Could you kindly explain how Jesus observed the six days of work as outlined in Exodus 20:8-11 and Exodus 31:16-17?

 

[Gary K]

Could you kindly explain how Jesus observed the six days of work as outlined in Exodus 20:8-11 and Exodus 31:16-17?

You don't seem to be all that familiar with scripture.

Jesus ran the family business after Joseph died.

Matthew 13: 54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.


[*StrongsGreek*]
05045
τέκτων téktōn, tek'-tone
from the base of 5098;
an artificer (as producer of fabrics), i.e. (specially), a craftsman in wood:--carpenter.

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You don't seem to be all that familiar with scripture.

Jesus ran the family business after Joseph died.

Matthew 13: 54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.


[*StrongsGreek*]
05045
τέκτων téktōn, tek'-tone
from the base of 5098;
an artificer (as producer of fabrics), i.e. (specially), a craftsman in wood:--carpenter.

Was Jesus a carpenter? | GotQuestions.org

Was Jesus a carpenter? What exactly were the responsibilities of a carpenter in Jesus’ day?

www.gotquestions.org

A tekton is someone who uses their hand in labor like a mason, builder, stone worker and yes a carpenter

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Could you kindly explain how Jesus observed the six days of work as outlined in Exodus 20:8-11 and Exodus 31:16-17?

Jesus did acts of healing teaching on the sabbath, is this considered work in your eyes?

 

[Cornelius8L]

You don't seem to be all that familiar with scripture.

Jesus ran the family business after Joseph died.

Matthew 13: 54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.


[*StrongsGreek*]
05045
τέκτων téktōn, tek'-tone
from the base of 5098;
an artificer (as producer of fabrics), i.e. (specially), a craftsman in wood:--carpenter.

Was Jesus a carpenter? | GotQuestions.org

Was Jesus a carpenter? What exactly were the responsibilities of a carpenter in Jesus’ day?

www.gotquestions.org

Oh, it looks like logic isn't really your thing. I was obviously talking about his time doing missionary work. So, enlighten me: how exactly did he manage to work for six days to uphold the commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 and Exodus 31:16-17?

 

[Cornelius8L]

Jesus did acts of healing teaching on the sabbath, is this considered work in your eyes?

So, in your view, how did Jesus work for six days as required by the commandment during his three years of missionary work?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

So, in your view, how did Jesus work for six days as required by the commandment during his three years of missionary work?

You can Ask him when you meet him, but according to scripture he at one point started his ministry , preaching repentance, choosing, preparing his disciples, healing etc... on the sabbath he was as written, teaching the law or commandments in the temple and healing when asked or when he came across the needy, he was a graceful man, gentle, full of the Holy Spirit and doing the Will of his Father, God. He was perfect without reproach, the model for us to follow.

 

[FredVB]

Jesus did not sin. If somehow he did, though the incarnation never would, he would not have fulfilled all the law from God, which he did. What he criticized were the traditions of the leaders that they put on people, which were not from God, put in place of what God said. There was still observance of Sabbath, being made for man, that Jesus said nothing against.

 

[Icyspark]

John 5:18
For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

I am aware that most commentators are of the opinion that Jesus did not break the Sabbath and that the Jews had falsely accused him, but if you look at it more closely, the Jews were actually right in their accusation that Jesus broke the Sabbath.

Reason:
The law says you shall not bear any burden on the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:21-22). That this commandment is to be understood in exactly this way can be seen from the fact that God had a man stoned to death for carrying only wood on the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36). Jesus broke this commandment by commanding the healed man to carry his bed (John 5:10-11). The Jews were right in their accusation in this regard. And the clear proof that Jesus broke the Sabbath lies in the fact that John the author of the Gospel agrees with this in verse 18. If Jesus had not broken the Sabbath, he would not have expressed himself in this way but would have made it clear that the Jews were lying.

The reason why Jesus broke the ceremonial commandments like the Sabbath was not because he was a sinner for he is sinless but because he wanted to show that these commandments are to be understood spiritually. The Sabbath was never to be the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath was Jesus Christ, who is the true rest in which we should enter, as Paul said. Paul also said that God never wanted animal sacrifices, but that the true sacrifice is Jesus. The Old Testament is only a shadow, the New Testament is the fulfilment and the reality.

Hi Emun,

Who specifically was it that was accusing Jesus of breaking the Sabbath? And was their testimony valid? If valid, why was it valid?

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[Bob S]

Hi spark, Emun's post has already answered your questions. Try reading without your preconceived false beliefs.

 

[Bob S]

I am really fed up with people like you not believing in Christ and put a stain on Jesus reputation.

1-Jesus is the son of GOD you owe him your life and everything including your eternal life if HE chooses to grant it to you on judgment day, have you no fear of the lord?

2- Jesus is the master of the sabbath and earth, and the universe. All authority was given to Him forever.

3-they blamed Jesus for healing on the sabbath. is doing Good deeds on the sabbath a crime? No it is the essence of the law to love one another, Jesus Magnified the sabbath by doing God 's will as is written in the 10 commandments. Jesus Never broke the law in any way he fulfilled it perfectly.

4- You completely misinterpreted the law and do not understand the teaching of Jesus. the sabbath IS ON THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK. why? because GOD himself wrote this and made this for us ( jews and Gentiles, yes Gentiles also) as a perpetual sign.

So, that means you are also fed up with me. You tell us you are non-denominational, but you write like an SDA. Just because you have been taught that the Pharisees were lying when they accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath does not mean He didn't. According to the Law Jesus did break the Sabbath. I was a Sabbath observer for many years and I can truthfully tell you that I never ever kept even one Sabbath according to the Law. I didn't work six days as the commandment demanded either. And I submit that I have never found anyone that did.

I submit to you that the Sabbath was given only to Israel and was not a perpetual sign to Gentiles unless the Gentiles agreed to the Sinai Covenant. When the Sinai Covenant ended at Calvary the laws of that covenant ended. All mankind is now under the laws of the new covenant. JN15:9-14

Exodus 20:8-11, states:

"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Exodus 31:16-17 (Kjv):

"Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

You quote EX 31:16-17 and yet wrote that the Sabbath is a perpetual sign for Gentiles. According to verses 16-17 that would make your statement not true. Note verse 16 tells us that the Sabbath was for Israel and only Israel.

Please, understand scripture before dragging it through the mud like you did.

I believe you should heed your advice.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

So, that means you are also fed up with me. You tell us you are non-denominational, but you write like an SDA. Just because you have been taught that the Pharisees were lying when they accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath does not mean He didn't. According to the Law Jesus did break the Sabbath. I was a Sabbath observer for many years and I can truthfully tell you that I never ever kept even one Sabbath according to the Law. I didn't work six days as the commandment demanded either. And I submit that I have never found anyone that did.

I submit to you that the Sabbath was given only to Israel and was not a perpetual sign to Gentiles unless the Gentiles agreed to the Sinai Covenant. When the Sinai Covenant ended at Calvary the laws of that covenant ended. All mankind is now under the laws of the new covenant. JN15:9-14

You quote EX 31:16-17 and yet wrote that the Sabbath is a perpetual sign for Gentiles. According to verses 16-17 that would make your statement not true. Note verse 16 tells us that the Sabbath was for Israel and only Israel.

I believe you should heed your advice.

the reply was not for you but to the original poster who has not been around for awhile but I did not notice that, it was not pointed at you.

am really non denomination i follow the teachings of Jesus

As for the sabbath, part of the commandments, it was first given to God's chosen people but Jesus when he sent the disciples, before his ascension to Heaven sent them to preach and teach to the whole world, the 10 commandments are part of this. Jesus was preaching repentance from sin and the coming Kingdom of Heaven, he was teaching the proper way to follow the commandments, with love and compassion not in the rigid and stale ways of the pharisees who arred to the commandments and made it a burden.

In the old testament the sojourners had to follow the law then when with the israelites, it proves it is not only for the Jews. however today, most of the laws of Moses ( apart from the 10 Commandments) cannot be followed, as an example, the sacrifices and many other laws, purification etc.. are no longer necessary but the 10 Commandments also called the moral law has not passed away. it is the same covenant made initially with Israel but for the new covenant ( see jeremiah 31) the difference is that God will write the 10 commandments in mens hearts.

Jesus said if you love me keep my Commandments, this is meant for ALL not just the Jews otherwise it would make a distinction, a sort of cast system. Know that God is the father of All mankind. What is wrong with the Commandments anyways, Paul did say the commandments are good and Just! God wants us to be Holy as he is Holy.

People have been mislead to believe the Commandments are for Jews only, this is simply not true.

Blessings.

 

[Icyspark]

Hi spark, Emun's post has already answered your questions. [If you think so, why aren't you referring to these supposed "answers" to my specific questions?] Try reading without your preconceived false beliefs. [You really seem intent on having me draw people's attention to your false teachings. For those who wish to see your nonsense exposed to the light of truth, click here.]

Hi Bob S,

Why are you so fearful of allowing others to speak for themselves? I'm positive I didn't address my questions to you. I already know about your false teachings, so I don't need or want to hear more of the same from you.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[HIM]

People have been mislead to believe the Commandments are for Jews only, this is simply not true.

Thanks for the post. I like that you are here. Don't give up, but broaden your ministry.
I have a loaded question if you don't mind. There are other moral laws within the Book of Moses. What of them? God had not said His commandments are in our hearts but His Law. That would include the Ten but would encapsulate even more right? And What of where God says His Word is in our hearts and mouths? Does that not even broaden the spectrum? As Does when He says He will give us a new Spirit, His?

 

[HIM]

I

That is the problem

All mankind is now under the laws of the new covenant. JN15:9-14

The New Covenant is not mention there. Don't add what is not.

Keep reading, He said a lot more

 

[HIM]

So, in your view, how did Jesus work for six days as required by the commandment during his three years of missionary work?

I didn't work six days as the commandment demanded either. And I submit that I have never found anyone that did.

If we are going to be a student of the Law and try to teach we might want to know it.

There is no command in the Hebrew of Exodus 20 or the LXX which is the Greek translation of the Book of the Law that we must work six days.

The command is shown in the Greek and Hebrew out right in the word remember. In both languages Remember is in the imperative mood. Which is the form of a verb which expresses a command. We are commanded to remember the Sabbath Day and Keep it Holy. Verse nine is basically in the indicative mood future tense. Which simply put means, it is a fact that we have 6 days to work. So in essence we have no excuse to work on the Sabbath because of the other 6 days.

Now you know so there is no excuse in repeating your error. When found in error as in any sin we are to confess and repent. Part of this would be recant.

Praise You God for Your leading in this and all things in Life. Else wise we would be most miserable. Being lost to our own devises. In our own way and words with no way out. Thank you for giving us your Word Jesus Christ. May we all be founded securely in Your Way in and of Him. Amen

Before you all I ask God and everyone to please forgive me for not looking at this intently before. If we do not live up to what He has for and in us we are missing the mark and are in sin and are not allowing Him to glorify His name in us.