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What is the Mark of the Beast ?

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There is no escaping the seven year tribulation as we read in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 where
Paul is talking about the second coming of Jesus.

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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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This verse could very well be speaking about the bema seat judgment of believers "that day" would be the day Jesus in the clouds carries out the judgment of rewards for believers. Who have been raptured and are in the clouds with The Messiah.
 
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The Mark of the Beast
And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.…

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What is this Mark 666 the number of a man ?

Is it a chip ?
Is it a mobile phone ?
Is it a DNA change i.e the Blood ?

DNA is composed of 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, which equates to 666.


Or is it something spiritual ?
666 is the number of the beast's name.

The mark of the beast is another inscription of the beast's name. I don't think the inscription is known at this point in time what it is.

Nor the name of the beast.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


So one of those three things predicated on the beast's name will be required to buy or sell.

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Given the widespread awareness of negative nature of 666, the false prophet and the beast-king are going to come up with some spin of why that number is so positive for people to want to take it.
 
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DNA is composed of 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, which equates to 666.
No, it doesn't; that only amounts to the number 18. What John wrote for the calculated number of the Sea Beast was a six-hundred-and-sixty-six amount. This was six-hundred-sixty-six YEARS that the Sea Beast had been in existence, ever since Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonian empire had deported the first group of Jews from Jerusalem in 607 BC. As of the time John was writing Revelation around AD 59 / 60, the Sea Beast had existed for six-hundred-sixty-six YEARS until then. With a bit of wisdom thrown in, John's readers could count backward in time those 666 YEARS and recognize Israel's old enemy of all the pagan empires which had held control over the nation of Israel over the centuries (Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman).

But this six-hundred-sixty-six number is NOT the same thing as the "mark" of the Sea Beast. That "mark" began in 19 BC and lasted until AD 66 as the Tyrian shekel copy minted in Jerusalem. This Tyrian shekel had abominable images and inscriptions giving homage to Rome and its demi-gods. It was required by the high priests as the only accepted coin in the temple before anyone from any nation coming to worship at Jerusalem could either buy or sell any item for sacrificial worship. A transaction fee for exchanging any foreign currency for the required Tyrian shekel was collected for the high priests by the money-changers. These had turned God's house into the "den of thieves" which Christ condemned for this abominable practice.

But once the Zealot rebellion against Rome broke out in AD 66, this abominable Tyrian shekel giving homage to Rome and its demi-gods was no longer required. The Zealots then began minting their own currency as an independent, sovereign nation.

The "mark" has long since disappeared as a threat, as well as the ancient Sea Beast which no longer exists.
 
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This verse could very well be speaking about the bema seat judgment of believers "that day" would be the day Jesus in the clouds carries out the judgment of rewards for believers. Who have been raptured and are in the clouds with The Messiah.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
 
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Given the widespread awareness of negative nature of 666, the false prophet and the beast-king are going to come up with some spin of why that number is so positive for people to want to take it.

I too wonder at this, what could be so positive about this mark that makes the masses want to take it ?

Could this mark be a healer of a virus that is yet to come as I reckon Covid 19 was just test run ???
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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The day of Christ, is the bema seat judgment of The Messiah and not the tribulation.

“The Day” Is the Judgment Seat of Christ – Grace Evangelical Society
 
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No, it doesn't; that only amounts to the number 18. What John wrote for the calculated number of the Sea Beast was a six-hundred-and-sixty-six amount. This was six-hundred-sixty-six YEARS that the Sea Beast had been in existence, ever since Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonian empire had deported the first group of Jews from Jerusalem in 607 BC. As of the time John was writing Revelation around AD 59 / 60, the Sea Beast had existed for six-hundred-sixty-six YEARS until then. With a bit of wisdom thrown in, John's readers could count backward in time those 666 YEARS and recognize Israel's old enemy of all the pagan empires which had held control over the nation of Israel over the centuries (Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman).

But this six-hundred-sixty-six number is NOT the same thing as the "mark" of the Sea Beast. That "mark" began in 19 BC and lasted until AD 66 as the Tyrian shekel copy minted in Jerusalem. This Tyrian shekel had abominable images and inscriptions giving homage to Rome and its demi-gods. It was required by the high priests as the only accepted coin in the temple before anyone from any nation coming to worship at Jerusalem could either buy or sell any item for sacrificial worship. A transaction fee for exchanging any foreign currency for the required Tyrian shekel was collected for the high priests by the money-changers. These had turned God's house into the "den of thieves" which Christ condemned for this abominable practice.

But once the Zealot rebellion against Rome broke out in AD 66, this abominable Tyrian shekel giving homage to Rome and its demi-gods was no longer required. The Zealots then began minting their own currency as an independent, sovereign nation.

The "mark" has long since disappeared as a threat, as well as the ancient Sea Beast which no longer exists.
Revelation 13 is about the last 42 months of the beast's rule before Jesus returns and casts the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire. So, the vision that John was shown beginning in Revelation 13:1 was not of John's day, but far into the future to the end times.

Once a person solves the 666 number of the beast's name, they will have also solved the name of the beast. Which the beast's name is what? That's what we are essentially trying to figure out.

666 years is not the number of the beast's name.
 
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I too wonder at this, what could be so positive about this mark that makes the masses want to take it ?

Could this mark be a healer of a virus that is yet to come as I reckon Covid 19 was just test run ???
I think the mark, inscription, of the beast's name, whatever that inscription will be, is directed as being an economic control measure.

As the beast-king, the Antichrist will have become dictator over the EU for that last 42 months of Revelation 13:5 before Jesus's return.



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I think the mark, inscription, of the beast's name, whatever that inscription will be, is directed as being an economic control measure.

As the beast-king, the Antichrist will have become dictator over the EU for that last 42 months of Revelation 13:5 before Jesus's return.



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Thanks for time line Doug, what interests me Ezekiel 39:12, this has me wondering again ??? Who is Gog's army ?

And what is all this all about :eek:

Ezekiel 37: 3-4-5
 
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They wouldn't but God did.
No, He did not and NOTHING in the Revelation 13 has been shown to be about any of the things speculated in the op. ALL of those speculations violate the most basic principles of sound exegesis.
The son of perdition. He has not been revealed as of yet.
Don't change the subject. We're discussing the mark of the beast, not the son of perdition.
Cop out. You have not evidenced anything remotely consistent with the end-times as Jesus (or the NT writers) described it AND you know what I am asking.


The reason I am asking is because it appears you subscribe to Dispensational Premillennialism. If that is the case, then you subscribe to an eschatology that was literally invented in the 19th century. It is an eschatology not shared by any other eschatology and during its 180+ years of existence there has been a near constant chain of teachers making prognostications and speculations like the ones found in this op. Not a single one of them has ever made an accurate prognostication. Dispensationalists have a 100% fail rate and that abject failure has been uniform for nearly two centuries. It's a very popular eschatology, one popularized in books and movies, but it is neither historical or orthodox. They may have their Christology correct. They may have their soteriology correct, but when it comes to end times prognostications not a single Dispensationalist has been correct in nearly 200 years.

No one should believe a doctrine where the teachers make predictions that never come true.


The "mark" is NOT about computer chips cell numbers, or DNA changes. That is all speculation and none of it is supported by anything Jesus stated.
 
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The "mark" is NOT about computer chips cell numbers, or DNA changes. That is all speculation and none of it is supported by anything Jesus stated.

What is it about then ?
 
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Thanks for time line Doug, what interests me Ezekiel 39:12, this has me wondering again ??? Who is Gog's army ?
imo, Gog's army is the Russian military. GogMagog being a combined force of Russia and Muslim nations in the middle east, including Iran (Persia).

In Ezekiel 38:4...

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

imo, it appears from that verse Russia is going to get dragged into a conflict involving Israel being attacked by a middle east group of Muslim nations.

That Gog's army gets turned back, imo, is that Russia will be withdrawing its troops from Ukraine to head back to Russia, when they will get dragged into the conflict between Israel and Muslim nations.

Also, another important factor is that Zelensky of Ukraine may be the Antichrist person, who has established himself as opposing the Russian leadership. If Zelensky becomes leader of a panel or group of EU leaders would be big, as his possibly being the little horn person. Ukraine is close to becoming a full EU member nation.

 
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The Mark of the Beast
And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.…

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What is this Mark 666 the number of a man ?

Is it a chip ?
Is it a mobile phone ?
Is it a DNA change i.e the Blood ?

DNA is composed of 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons, which equates to 666.


Or is it something spiritual ?
from Rev 13 we know --

1.The mark of the beast does not exist yet - but it will in the future.
2. It is given when one complies with a specific act of worship according to Rev 13.

3. There will be a solid reference for it such that when you try to buy groceries they will know you are not allowed to buy. Or it could be that your bank account is frozen if you don't have it - but that would mean that the bank knows if you have it or not. So then it still has some outward tangible way to know if someone has it or not.

4. Rev 13 describes it as being given out to those who agree to a sin that breaks one of the Ten commandments related to worship
5. Rev 13 says that this event is coerced/empowered by great signs and wonders.
6. In Matt 24 Christ also predicts a future event associated with great signs and wonders that would deceive the world
 
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666 years is not the number of the beast's name.
Yes, it is. We give names to things at the point of their origin all the time, do we not? A business, a newborn baby, a school, a new church being founded, a club, a nation, etc., etc.. The 666 YEARS was the length of time since Rev. 13's "Beast from the Sea" began its named existence as of the time John was writing the book of Revelation. The Sea Beast began with King Nebuchadnezzar, and continued through the Medo-Persian empire, then the Greek empire, then its final phase being the Roman empire in John's days. That was the reason for the Sea Beast's conglomerate features of the lion, the bear, and the leopard (Rev. 13:2) because these features represented a conglomerate mix of all those former pagan empires who had held control over the nation of Israel over the centuries.

Revelation 13 is about the last 42 months of the beast's rule before Jesus returns and casts the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire. So, the vision that John was shown beginning in Revelation 13:1 was not of John's day, but far into the future to the end times.
No, Rev. 13 has absolutely nothing to do with our future. Revelation 13:2 informs us that the Sea Beast was given the throne of the Dragon / Satan, (which "throne of Satan" was in Pergamos, according to Rev. 2:13). The entire Pergamos kingdom along with "Satan's throne" in the idolatrous city of Pergamos was bequeathed to the Roman Republic back in 133 BC by the last, dying King Attalus III. That identifies this Sea Beast as being connected with the Roman Republic, which is not a Beast that will appear in our future.

And you have your Beast characters mixed up. It was NOT the Rev. 13 Sea Beast, but was the Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast in the wilderness who was to be thrown into the Lake of Fire along with the false prophet.
 
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Also, another important factor is that Zelensky of Ukraine may be the Antichrist person, who has established himself as opposing the Russian leadership. If Zelensky becomes leader of a panel or group of EU leaders would be big, as his possibly being the little horn person.

I believe that it is 'King Charles lll' who is the Antichrist, read Tim Cohen (who is a Christian) book 'The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea'.

Interview by Janie DuVall ( @JanieDuVall ) May 12, 2023, on King Charles III's May 6th coronation and crowning. Watch the interview from start to finish, without jumping around, so that you may understand all that is shared. If you don't, you will will miss key information. (You will find all this and VASTLY MORE in the 2023's 2nd edition of "The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea" book.)


 
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No, Rev. 13 has absolutely nothing to do with our future. Revelation 13:2 informs us that the Sea Beast was given the throne of the Dragon / Satan, (which "throne of Satan" was in Pergamos, according to Rev. 2:13). The entire Pergamos kingdom along with "Satan's throne" in the idolatrous city of Pergamos was bequeathed to the Roman Republic back in 133 BC by the last, dying King Attalus III. That identifies this Sea Beast as being connected with the Roman Republic, which is not a Beast that will appear in our future.

And you have your Beast characters mixed up. It was NOT the Rev. 13 Sea Beast, but was the Rev. 17 Scarlet Beast in the wilderness who was to be thrown into the Lake of Fire along with the false prophet.
The 42 months is Revelation 13 is end times.


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I believe that it is 'King Charles lll' who is the Antichrist, read Tim Cohen (who is a Christian) book 'The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea'.
He is too old. And needs to be a Jew to become the Antichrist.
 
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He is too old. And needs to be a Jew to become the Antichrist.

No he's not too old & he is a Jew by proxy, he's the only member of the royal family to be circumcised & plus him and his sons have been chipped.
 
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