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Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

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Well, I don't believe that.
It does not matter. What matters is facts, reasoning and people who know what they are talking about.

Having fun making stuff up?
Its not made up, you can learn more about it, google Leviathan mythos or mythical Leviathan.

There is no proper argument for a flat earth in the bible. That is just something people insult God with.
Again, no reasoning from your side, just denial.
 
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It does not matter. What matters is facts, reasoning and people who know what they are talking about.
You claimed this "Every ancient near eastern person, if you showed them Genesis 1, would immediately say "Ah, the temple inauguration"
That is not supported as well as being a ridiculous claim. Let's look at the first verse for the sake of the lurkers.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
I see no Jewish temple in that verse. It is no use pretending that 'every ancient near east person' would!



Its not made up, you can learn about it, google Leviathan mythos or mythical Leviathan to learn more.
Again, let's look at the actual word. The first time I see it in the bible is in Job.
"Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?"
The Hebrew definition for the word is this
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leviathan, sea monster, dragon
  1. large aquatic animal
  2. perhaps the extinct dinosaur, plesiosaurus, exact meaning unknown"
Pagan mythos does not matter one whit. If I was going to consider a hunch or guess as to what the creature may be, I would first look to bible believers. One certainly would not look to unbelieving heathen myths to try and reinvent Scripture on that word!
 
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I see no Jewish temple in that verse. It is no use pretending that 'every ancient near east person' would!
The fact that you do not see it has nothing to do with the fact that ancient people would see it.

Again, let's look at the actual word. The first time I see it in the bible is in Job.
"Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?"
The Hebrew definition for the word is this
"
leviathan, sea monster, dragon
  1. large aquatic animal
  2. perhaps the extinct dinosaur, plesiosaurus, exact meaning unknown"
Pagan mythos does not matter one whit. If I was going to consider a hunch or guess as to what the creature may be, I would first look to bible believers. One certainly would not look to unbelieving heathen myths to try and reinvent Scripture on that word!
It has nothing to do with any dinosaur. What are you quoting, some Ken Ham book or something? You can learn more about the biblical Leviathan here:
 
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The fact that you do not see it has nothing to do with the fact that ancient people would see it.
They would not see a Jewish temple before there were Jews. I kid you not
It has nothing to do with any dinosaur.
The definition from the Hebrew (Brown-Driver-Briggs') included several possible words actually. Bottom line is we do not know. Chew on that a while
 
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They would not see a Jewish temple before there were Jews. I kid you not
The concept of temples was known to the whole Near East (to the whole world, actually), not just to Jews. Also, Genesis is a Jewish book, written by Jews and to Jews, so it can contain Jewish concepts without any problem.

The definition from the Hebrew (Brown-Driver-Briggs') included several possible words actually. Bottom line is we do not know. Chew on that a while

Psalm 74 - God killed Leviathan during the creation of the world

Is 27:1 says God will kill Leviathan in the end, compare also to Job 3:8 - cursing will arouse Leviathan and it will be the end of days

It has nothing to do with a dinosaur, its a mythical creature with specific meaning and you seriously misunderstand the text, when you ignore the cultural context. Also, no dinosaur has multiple heads as Bible describes the Leviathan.

Jewish sources distinguish between a female Leviathan that was killed in the creation and a male Leviathan who will fight with God in the end.

 
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The concept of temples was known to the whole Near East (to the whole world, actually), not just to Jews. Also, Genesis is a Jewish book, written by Jews and to Jews, so it can contain Jewish concepts without any problem.
When talking about the creation of all stars and sun and man, a Jewish temple is not what comes to mind. Especially when there is no mention of one. That is obviously not what it is talking about at all. (as dumb as you may think ancient peoples were)
Psalm 74 - God killed Leviathan during the creation of the world
The first commentary I saw suggested it was talking about the leaders of Egypt in a figurative way. That also might apply to the flood. It certainly does not apply to creation! God did not kill things, He created them.
Is 27:1 says God will kill Leviathan in the end, compare also to Job 3:8 - cursing will arouse Leviathan and it will be the end of days
You are talking about prophesy. Since you do not even believe in creation, your wild ideas about prophesy are devalued.
It has nothing to do with a dinosaur, its a mythical creature with specific meaning and you seriously misunderstand the text, when you ignore the cultural context. Also, no dinosaur has multiple heads as Bible describes the Leviathan.
Do not presume to tell us what it is. It seems to apply to several things. Certainly nothing that helps your anti creation crusade.
Jewish sources distinguish between a female Leviathan that was killed in the creation and a male Leviathan who will fight with God in the end.
Foolishness. Creation was about life, not killing things. You are lost in space as far as context meaning and times.
 
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When talking about the creation of all stars and sun and man, a Jewish temple is not what comes to mind. Especially when there is no mention of one. That is obviously not what it is talking about at all. (as dumb as you may think ancient peoples were)
What comes or does not come to your mind is irrelevant. You are not educated in the Near Eastern culture. What matters is what came to the ancient mind. God resting, 7 days cycles, its a temple inauguration.

Ancient people were not dumb, stop suggesting what I may think.

The first commentary I saw suggested it was talking about the leaders of Egypt in a figurative way. That also might apply to the flood. It certainly does not apply to creation! God did not kill things, He created them.
Maybe try to look deeper than just "the first commentary I saw".


You are talking about prophesy. Since you do not even believe in creation, your wild ideas about prophesy are devalued.
Feel free to explain why and how God will fight a literal dinosaur in the end times. I believe in creation, but not in Genesis 1 to be a scientific description.

Do not presume to tell us what it is. It seems to apply to several things. Certainly nothing that helps your anti creation crusade.

Foolishness. Creation was about life, not killing things. You are lost in space as far as context meaning and times.
No arguments from you, just another series of denials. You should check the sources I provided for you and react to them, specifically.
 
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Not in our meaning of a history book. Our history books do not have world-temple inaugurations, myths, legends, dramas etc.
Wow that looks like the History Channels lineup for today. Genesis was definitely ahead of its time. I do thank Jesus for confirming the words of Moses and the historical accuracy provided by him.
 
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Pretty easy...

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10

How hard is that? As far as all the particulars, including how trillions of cells come together to form living beings, are truths helped along by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Wow that looks like the History Channels lineup for today. Genesis was definitely ahead of its time. I do thank Jesus for confirming the words of Moses and the historical accuracy provided by him.
Jesus said nothing about historical accuracy.
 
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No. Sorry. No tents in Gen one despite your active imagination and desire to shove one in
For me personally I would not allow someone to start the first grade if they did not understand the Hebrew alphabet and what the letters represent. During the 1,000 year reign I imagine that is the way things are going to be. A is the lead animal in a herd, B represents a tent or any dwelling, C represents a camel or trade, D represents the door and Jesus is the door. If you want to enter into the things of God than Jesus is the ONLY way because you have to enter in through the door.
hat matters is facts, reasoning and people who know what they are talking about.
You think that somewhere are people that know what they are talking about? We are told that Jesus is the way, truth and the light.
 
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What comes or does not come to your mind is irrelevant.
Same with you. What is relevant is that the first verse of Genesis is about creation, not churches.
You are not educated in the Near Eastern culture.
Waste of time
What matters is what came to the ancient mind.
No that matters not so much. What God said and who believed it matters.
God resting, 7 days cycles, its a temple inauguration.
Not in creation week. No Jews, no temple there and not even any 'ancient near eastern people'.
Ancient people were not dumb, stop suggesting what I may think.
If they imagined a temple as you claim in the verse that said God created heaven and earth they were not so bright. I suspect they were fine, so who does that leave?
Maybe try to look deeper than just "the first commentary I saw".
Maybe take a hint when people try to go easy on weak points.
Feel free to explain why and how God will fight a literal dinosaur in the end times.
Strawman. I never said that. I showed that we don't know what the word means. One of the meanings is dragon though and I think we all know who that is and how he relates to the end time.
I believe in creation, but not in Genesis 1 to be a scientific description.
Who cares about a haplessly inadequate science that is cave man level when it comes to higher truth like creation and How God did things? God used real science. Man has not got there yet. Stop trying to limit the science God uses to man's foolish wisdom that is only falsely called science.
No arguments from you, just another series of denials. You should check the sources I provided for you and react to them, specifically.
Make a point from a source. The points you made so far, like how 'every' one knew that Gen 1 was talking about some temple or something are ludicrous.
 
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For me personally I would not allow someone to start the first grade if they did not understand the Hebrew alphabet and what the letters represent.
I would allow kids to learn even if they knew no Hebrew and could not care less about it. When a letter is used in a word and a sentence there is context and meaning to it. Temples are NOT the meaning in Gen 1.
During the 1,000 year reign I imagine that is the way things are going to be. A is the lead animal in a herd, B represents a tent or any dwelling, C represents a camel or trade, D represents the door and Jesus is the door. If you want to enter into the things of God than Jesus is the ONLY way because you have to enter in through the door.
Not really applicable
You think that somewhere are people that know what they are talking about? We are told that Jesus is the way, truth and the light.
Let's hope one appears here soon I guess
 
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if they knew no Hebrew and could not care less about it.
Hebrew is the original language before God confused the languages.
When a letter is used in a word and a sentence there is context and meaning to it.
That is what they teach in Bible school. That is not what the Hasidic teach. I think the 144,000 that will be God's witness and testimony during the tribulation are beginning to emerge now.
 
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Jesus said nothing about historical accuracy.
He absolutely did.

Have you even read Genesis? The whole point of the book is Historical and written in a chronological manner (as a historical book would do) To provide a Historical understanding of how the Jews became God people and a nation. From the beginning of time up till Joseph and his family living in Egypt. Followed by Exodus. Another historical narrative as to how the Jews became slaves in Egypt, their exodus, and more historical context of the Jews becoming a nation. Again. The whole point of the book is to provide History.
 
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