Can you be Christian and believe in evolution?

[Ace777]

But He is not a literal gate. And we are not literal sheep.

Dalet actually means door and they were to put the blood on the door post of their literal door. Also they did sacrifice a literal sheep although the literal does not save them. Jesus saves. Jesus as the lamb of God really was sacrificed for us. So we could enter into the promises of God.

Am I saying Jesus was "mistaken"? Well, in a sense I am indeed saying this.

All things were created in Jesus so how would He not know if indeed He was there.

 

[truthpls]

The Bible uses several non-literal concepts of how God created the universe, for example:
- the 7 days temple inauguration (Genesis 1)

There was no temple in Genesis, and you declaring the seven days as not literal means nothing at all.

- killing of the female Leviathan, the semitic god of primeval chaos (Psalm 74, several places in Isaiah...)

Nowhere is killing a female mentioned in any of those places. In fact there is some difference of opinion as to what that creature was.

Looking for some hidden scientific mysteries in the texts actually hinders the understanding of the texts.

Since it is above the paygrade of science, it is no use looking.

So nothing. The point is that both the biblical authors and all the nations around them had the same or very similar cosmological concepts - for example the flat earth.

False. Old wive's tale. There is no flat earth in the bible. So no bible believer would have believed in one.

 

[truthpls]

actually flat earth is not taught at all in the bible my friend .

I know

But this is , HE who sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth . Just a reminder to help you out my friend
in this battle . It actually says CIRCLE of the EARTH . round , sphere . It do say this
IN issiah . they never thought the earth was flat . now some men might have thought so
but the BIBLE never taught so . IN fact the BIBLE exposes this flat earth theory big time .

I agree

 

[Cis.jd]

Yeah it’s good to dismiss God created everything and believing we evolved from a single cell organism instead. Jesus was clear that you can’t believe in evolution and be a Christian

I don't think believing we evolve means we have to reject God created everything. I think people can make a case that evolution needs a designer. How can life biologically change in order to adapt to it's environment out of accident.

 

[Ace777]

There was no temple in Genesis, and you declaring the seven days as not literal means nothing at all.

There was a tabernacle and God does not seem to mind being in a Tent. They do not need a temple to begin the tribulation. They can set up a Tabernacle on the temper mount and be up and in business in 24 hours. The Priests are trained, they have all the implements and they already have the sacrifices. (without spot, blemish or wrinkle)

 

[truthpls]

There was a tabernacle and God does not seem to mind being in a Tent. They do not need a temple to begin the tribulation. They can set up a Tabernacle on the temper mount and be up and in business in 24 hours. The Priests are trained, they have all the implements and they already have the sacrifices. (without spot, blemish or wrinkle)

OK, I thought the tabernacle was first talked about in Exodus. Where in Genesis do we see it? As for the Tribulation, I agree, there may not be a building, who knows? There will of course be sacrifices though, regardless

 

[truthpls]

I don't think believing we evolve means we have to reject God created everything. I think people can make a case that evolution needs a designer. How can life biologically change in order to adapt to it's environment out of accident.

Adam needed a designer. Eve also. It is clear that they did not evolve into being in Scripture.

 

[Ace777]

Where in Genesis do we see it?

The first letter of the first word in the Bible.

The Biblical meaning of BET : 1. God's house on earth was represented by the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple of Solomon as described in the Old Testament as His dwelling place among His chosen people.

 

[truthpls]

The first letter of the first word in the Bible.

The Biblical meaning of BET : 1. God's house on earth was represented by the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple of Solomon as described in the Old Testament as His dwelling place among His chosen people.

All that from one letter eh? Well, our body is a tabernacle. The heavens I suppose are as well, and heaven. But we can't really jump to a conclusion that an actual tent tabernacle was in the first verse of Genesis, sorry

 

[trophy33]

It’s a History book not a scientific book.

Its not a history book in our modern, Western way. Its a history book in the ancient, bronze-age/iron-age Mesopotamian way.

 

[trophy33]

but the POINT is HE be the ONLY Way .

The POINT of this non-literal text is fine.

Similarly, the POINT of Genesis 1 (God inaugurating His temple to rest in and preparing order for humans - time, weather and food) is fine.

What is not fine is when some people try to read the form literally, instead of the point.

 

[trophy33]

Dalet actually means door and they were to put the blood on the door post of their literal door. Also they did sacrifice a literal sheep although the literal does not save them. Jesus saves. Jesus as the lamb of God really was sacrificed for us. So we could enter into the promises of God.

The point is that Jesus is not a literal, material door and we are not a literal, biological sheep. Reading non-literal texts literally leads to absurdities.

 

[trophy33]

There was no temple in Genesis, and you declaring the seven days as not literal means nothing at all.

Every ancient near eastern person, if you showed them Genesis 1, would immediately say "Ah, the temple inauguration". The 7 days are a part of it. Do you want to know more?

Nowhere is killing a female mentioned in any of those places. In fact there is some difference of opinion as to what that creature was.

That there were male and female Leviathan is the Jewish context of the mythos. Bible is not an encyclopedia, we must get the context of various references Bible refers to, from other sources. For example, why God was supposed to have a conflict with Leviathan or who Leviathan even was ;-)

False. Old wive's tale. There is no flat earth in the bible. So no bible believer would have believed in one.

This is not a proper argument. I gave you a well done presentation, I can give you quotations from Bible dictionaries if you like or from other solid sources, if you wish. Childish "no, no, no" is not a proper argument.

 

[Ace777]

But we can't really jump to a conclusion that an actual tent tabernacle was in the first verse of Genesis, sorry

Yes we can when we study the Hebrew language and the oral tradition that we get our Bible from. The question is how do you fit the eternal into the temperal? How can you contain God when as you say Heaven can not contain Him.

 

[Ace777]

The point is that Jesus is not a literal, material door and we are not a literal, biological sheep. Reading non-literal texts literally leads to absurdities.

Did you ever read "Pilgrims Progress"? Or "Hinds Feet on High Places" I use to love to read analogies. I even read books like "Love comes Softy" written for teen age girls. I give them to the daughter of a friend of mine when I was through reading them. My mom really pushed us to read. She thought it was very important. Even back before we had all the books we have now. I remember one summer I read all the books in the Library written for kids. Which was something like 30 or 40 of them. Now they have thousands of them on all sorts of different subjects for kids.

 

[trophy33]

Did you ever read "Pilgrims Progress"?

Partially, I do not remember if I finished it.

Or "Hinds Feet on High Places"

No.

However, I read "Labyrinth of the world and paradise of the heart" by J.A. Comenius several times.

 

[Ace777]

The point is that Jesus is not a literal, material door

When interpreting the Bible, you can consider the context to determine if a verse is literal or figurative. The Bible uses a variety of figurative language devices, such as similes, metaphors, hyperbole, and personification, to help illustrate or emphasize what is being said. Words should be interpreted literally unless the meaning contradicts something else. The Bible is literal and figurative. Sometimes at the same time.

Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved. There is no other "door" other than Jesus and the sacrifice He made for us.

 

[truthpls]

Every ancient near eastern person, if you showed them Genesis 1, would immediately say "Ah, the temple inauguration". The 7 days are a part of it. Do you want to know more?

Well, I don't believe that. If they could read and were of sound mind they would see the first verse of Genesis in context. No tabernacles there.

That there were male and female Leviathan is the Jewish context of the mythos. Bible is not an encyclopedia, we must get the context of various references Bible refers to, from other sources. For example, why God was supposed to have a conflict with Leviathan or who Leviathan even was ;-)

Having fun making stuff up?

This is not a proper argument. I gave you a well done presentation, I can give you quotations from Bible dictionaries if you like or from other solid sources, if you wish. Childish "no, no, no" is not a proper argument.

There is no proper argument for a flat earth in the bible. That is just something people insult God with.

 

[truthpls]

Yes we can when we study the Hebrew language and the oral tradition that we get our Bible from. The question is how do you fit the eternal into the temperal? How can you contain God when as you say Heaven can not contain Him.

No. Sorry. No tents in Gen one despite your active imagination and desire to shove one in

 

[Marvelloustime]

but the POINT is HE be the ONLY Way .
the truth is we are as dumb as sheep , and in total and dire need of GOD .
these words were to make A POINT my friend . now
as far as other areas Its quite literal .
The LORD through the prophets actually used many analogies too .
What will ye do in the SWELLINGS of the JORDAN .
aka ,
the river represented peoples , peoples that would come against them .
Many expressions make a point about THE TRUTH .
the LITERAL TRUTH , though it be used in a metaphorical sense .
Like he , the dragon casts out of his mouth A FLOOD
after the woman . THAT flood represents people under the influence of the dragon
who are going after the woman to persecute her . often trees , seas and waters
, even stars in are used to describe a literal event . THOUGH they represent peoples and etc .

Praise the Lord. The lambs will follow the shepherd.