The Danger of "Keeping Sabbath."

[sparow]

What comprises his people? How do they become His people?

One Lord, one faith, one baptism as the Bible says.

"His people" is subjective, in the first place His people are all men, in the second place His people are the descendants of Abraham, then the descendants of Israel, then the Called and chosen also called Israel.

 

[sparow]

So then you are as perfect as God in heaven is perfect?

Perfect is an irrational concept unless you define what you mean by it, for example, "so, then you are as perfect as God in heaven is true, faithful and graceful".

I am not able to make a comparison between God and I; God has asked me and us to do things, these I attempt to do. There is a difference between knowing and doing.

 

[Mercy Shown]

"His people" is subjective, in the first place His people are all men, in the second place His people are the descendants of Abraham, then the descendants of Israel, then the Called and chosen also called Israel.

Women are not his people??????

 

[Mercy Shown]

Perfect is an irrational concept unless you define what you mean by it, for example, "so, then you are as perfect as God in heaven is true, faithful and graceful".

I am not able to make a comparison between God and I; God has asked me and us to do things, these I attempt to do. There is a difference between knowing and doing.

Jesus commanded us to "Be as perfect as our Father in heaven." That can't be irrational unless God is irrational, but we know that is not possible. Jesus asked us to be as perfect as our Father in heaven, and you say He never asks of us something impossible for us to do; ergo, you must be as perfect as God in heaven unless your premise is faulty.

 

[sparow]

Women are not his people??????

If you are talking about ownership, then women belong to God, I had not intended to exclude women, I was thinking mankind. You may have noticed that the Bible is a man's book, like Paul said, "All women have to do to be saved is have babies". I conclude that women are not under judgement, as men are.

 

[sparow]

Jesus commanded us to "Be as perfect as our Father in heaven." That can't be irrational unless God is irrational, but we know that is not possible. Jesus asked us to be as perfect as our Father in heaven, and you say He never asks of us something impossible for us to do; ergo, you must be as perfect as God in heaven unless your premise is faulty.

The English language is rubbery and flexible and requires considerable skill to use it properly, Greek words are more specific. The KJV from which you have quoted is a word for word translation, the problem is there are not word for word equivalents between English and Greek, only approximations. The Greek word in your quote, rendered perfect, means in Greek, "of full age, personal statue, integrity, complete (Holy).

 

[Mercy Shown]

If you are talking about ownership, then women belong to God, I had not intended to exclude women, I was thinking mankind. You may have noticed that the Bible is a man's book, like Paul said, "All women have to do to be saved is have babies". I conclude that women are not under judgement, as men are.

But wouldn’t you agree that we must consider all that Paul says on a subject rather than just a single verse? He also said in Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus".

 

[Mercy Shown]

The English language is rubbery and flexible and requires considerable skill to use it properly, Greek words are more specific. The KJV from which you have quoted is a word for word translation, the problem is there are not word for word equivalents between English and Greek, only approximations. The Greek word in your quote, rendered perfect, means in Greek, "of full age, personal statue, integrity, complete (Holy).

There is no ambiguity when a model is provided. In this case it is God.

Are you as complete as God? Are you as Holy as God? Do you have the integrity of God? Even if we insert the definitions you quoted into Christs command, I think anyone of us would be hard pressed to lay claim to such an achievement. Yet, it is a clear command of Christ’s.

I do believe there is an answer but it is not found in our best efforts.

 

[Gary K]

There is no ambiguity when a model is provided. In this case it is God.

Are you as complete as God? Are you as Holy as God? Do you have the integrity of God? Even if we insert the definitions you quoted into Christs command, I think anyone of us would be hard pressed to lay claim to such an achievement. Yet, it is a clear command of Christ’s.

I do believe there is an answer but it is not found in our best efforts.

1Peter 1: 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

The divine nature changes us as we become partakers of it. Peter demonstrates the steps of growth it takes us through. Then he goes on to tell us that if we allow these things to happen to us we will not be barren nor unfruitful in knowing Jesus. But those that lack those steps of growth are blind, cannot see what God will be doing for us in the future, and has forgotten he was purged of his old sins.

 

[sparow]

But wouldn’t you agree that we must consider all that Paul says on a subject rather than just a single verse? He also said in Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus".

Without a specific context, Galatians 3:28 as you quote it is the ramblings of an insane man; it does not describe the world today or any day in the past; it does describe the world the Atheists are setting up today, are you a transvestite, can you define what a woman is.

 

[sparow]

There is no ambiguity when a model is provided. In this case it is God.

Are you as complete as God? Are you as Holy as God? Do you have the integrity of God? Even if we insert the definitions you quoted into Christs command, I think anyone of us would be hard pressed to lay claim to such an achievement. Yet, it is a clear command of Christ’s.

I do believe there is an answer but it is not found in our best efforts.

Christ as a man is the standard I aspire to and am commanded to, but because I do no know what that is, best effort sounds good. I believe of those who are saved their best effort will be unique to each individual, but they will all be on the same team.

 

[Mercy Shown]

Without a specific context, Galatians 3:28 as you quote it is the ramblings of an insane man; it does not describe the world today or any day in the past; it does describe the world the Atheists are setting up today, are you a transvestite, can you define what a woman is.

Are you implying that Paul was an insane man? The text is very clear in what it says. We are all one in Christ, it is not a man's religion, nor a Greek's, nor is it a Jew's religion. We are all the same before Christ.

 

[Mercy Shown]

Christ as a man is the standard I aspire to and am commanded to, but because I do no know what that is, best effort sounds good. I believe of those who are saved their best effort will be unique to each individual, but they will all be on the same team.

So, salvation is relative? There is no clear-cut way to be saved; we try hard and hope for the best. Are you saved tonight or are you just hoping to pass the grade?

 

[sparow]

Are you implying that Paul was an insane man? The text is very clear in what it says. We are all one in Christ, it is not a man's religion, nor a Greek's, nor is it a Jew's religion. We are all the same before Christ.

My implication was that Paul's words are only validly Paul's words when Paul's contexts are used. My understanding of "insane" is it refers to feeble mind to a point where the person is unable to testify in a court of Law; my opinion of Paul is he was so intelligent that he was able to deceive the very elect.

Your interpretation of Paul, "We are all one in Christ, it is not a man's religion, nor a Greek's, nor is it a Jew's religion". I view this as unnecessary, un-useful rhetoric. Who do you call "We", those who found the narrow path, or them who take the broad path, or them who keep the commandments of God, or them who abrogate the Law; I believe "man's religion is the path most take.

 

[sparow]

So, salvation is relative? There is no clear-cut way to be saved; we try hard and hope for the best. Are you saved tonight or are you just hoping to pass the grade?

I believe in my case judgement has been determined and there is nothing I can do to gain more; I could lose more. Sometimes I feel safe other times I get nervish.

 

[Mercy Shown]

I believe in my case judgement has been determined and there is nothing I can do to gain more; I could lose more. Sometimes I feel safe other times I get nervish.

What did you do to gain what you have?

 

[Mercy Shown]

My implication was that Paul's words are only validly Paul's words when Paul's contexts are used. My understanding of "insane" is it refers to feeble mind to a point where the person is unable to testify in a court of Law; my opinion of Paul is he was so intelligent that he was able to deceive the very elect.

Your interpretation of Paul, "We are all one in Christ, it is not a man's religion, nor a Greek's, nor is it a Jew's religion". I view this as unnecessary, un-useful rhetoric. Who do you call "We", those who found the narrow path, or them who take the broad path, or them who keep the commandments of God, or them who abrogate the Law; I believe "man's religion is the path most take.

Have you considered what the narrow path actually is? The pharisees prided themselves on their strict adherence to the law and yet they were on the broad path to destruction.

It is difficult to imagine Paul as a deceiver when one considers his radical transformation from an avowed enemy of Christians to a staunch defender of the faith.

 

[sparow]

What did you do to gain what you have?

Why do you want to know?

 

[sparow]

Have you considered what the narrow path actually is? The pharisees prided themselves on their strict adherence to the law and yet they were on the broad path to destruction.

It is difficult to imagine Paul as a deceiver when one considers his radical transformation from an avowed enemy of Christians to a staunch defender of the faith.

There is no end of fault that can be found with the pharisees, but the long and short of it is, they had not entered into the covenant, had they, Jesus's blood would have covered them.

I can accept that it is difficult for you to imagine Paul as a deceiver, so long as you have given consideration to the matter.

 

[BobRyan]

commandment-keeping, in general, is an empty pointless exercise in a vain attempt to scale the wall of the sheepfold.
In short,

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus "
1 John 5:4 "this IS the LOVE of God that we KEEP His Commandments"

Question: How much of the Bible is dedicated to "The dangers of keeping God's Commandments"?

Answer: zero.

I guess it is a good thing we have this thread then - (among the many others that warn us against keeping God's Commandments).