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Female Athletes Sue NCAA for Allowing Transgender Competitors

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No parent should want their child to suffer and die - either at the hands of an enemy combatant - or by a doctor and their child's own hand when they finally decide to end their suffering because they believe that the evil spirits won?

Why do you make it seem like I would be for either choice?
And no parent wants to say things that cause their children significant mental health problems and can lead to them wanting to end their own life.


But some parents think they are being spiritually righteous and helping their child and don't know that what they are saying is causing their children significant mental health problems and can lead to them wanting to end their own life.

I know this because I watched it play out at my youth treatment facility. And that was CERTAINLY not the only set of parents who speak that way to their transgender or LGBTQ child
 
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You’re not talking about it but the effect is just the same. Separating people based on genetic differences is illegal. We resolved this issue about 60 years ago.
No it's not. What kind of nonsense are you spouting. You never heard of Titke IX? The creation if women's sports was a separation. You know there are all women's dorms, sororities, sports teams etc. Created for women. Now mist recently men want to invade these spaces.

And you mentioned earlier someone's definition of woman. I think that's been settled by science and biology fir quite sometime now. Whats your definition of woman?
 
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Yes, choice.
Ok but you are only giving your opinion,
based on your opinion, not clinical
knowledge, certainly not experience.

Do you know what that discriminatory
attitude is called?
 
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Ok but you are only giving your opinion,
based on your opinion, not clinical
knowledge, certainly not experience.

Do you know what that discriminatory
attitude is called?
Reality? If I don't go along with the status quo, then you're going to call me a name, I get it.
 
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In any area where biological women compete with biological men, (most modern workplaces, for example) trans is not an issue, or shouldn't be.
Exactly. The trans folks shouldn't make it one. Go yo work like everyone else, do you job like everyone else and don't make special demands on everyone else. Live and let live.
 
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So if they can fool you, it's OK if they go into the Ladies' to wee?
I think that's reasonable. If no one can tell the difference no one
is going to know or say anything. It only matters when men who look like men do it. Which HAS Been an issue.
 
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And no parent wants to say things that cause their children significant mental health problems and can lead to them wanting to end their own life.


But some parents think they are being spiritually righteous and helping their child and don't know that what they are saying is causing their children significant mental health problems and can lead to them wanting to end their own life.

I know this because I watched it play out at my youth treatment facility. And that was CERTAINLY not the only set of parents who speak that way to their transgender or LGBTQ child
These children already have significant mental health problems. Many have suicidal ideation just due to the mental health issues they are experiencing that have nothing to with the parents.

We all know some parents can be abusive and cause other issues. But just because a parent believes the child isn't trans doesn't make them abusive. It James them must likely correct.
 
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Esrlier I had to look up the separate- but- equal. And it
is, at its heart, about fairness.
Discrimination based on race is of course unfair.
"...but equal" was a lie, window dressing for what's still
wrong, even if it were true, which it wasn't then and isn't now.
Am I good so far?

If fairness is important here, then having men compete as women is obviously and inherently unfair. There is no (but) equal in it.

If you don't think so, we'll, so be it.
I agree and that's the issue that's being addressed. Biology dictates this. Not religion or ideology. Men have a distinct advantage in this area.
 
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Reality? If I don't go along with the status quo, then you're going to call me a name, I get it.

No, you don't get it, at all.

And turning it around to insult me is disgusting.
And a grown man going into a locker room with young female children is not disgusting? Because that's what the subject of this thread is. I don't see what's insulting to you, by the way. I just answered your question.

ETA: (From the article) “subjecting women to a loss of their constitutional right to bodily privacy.”
 
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Religion is also a choice but somehow I don’t think you’d apply that same standard to segregate the unfaithful.
That’s correct. I was merely pointing out the civil rights and lgbt movement are not even remotely the same. That’s all.
 
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These children already have significant mental health problems.
This claim is frequently made and is likely true but it doesn't really create a precise picture. Yes, they have mental health issues. They tend to have depression and high anxiety (as a starting point). Is this what you are referring to when you mention these mental health problems or something more nefarious?


Many have suicidal ideation just due to the mental health issues they are experiencing that have nothing to with the parents.
No. It has to do with what their brain tells them is true vs. what their parents are telling them is true. When those two don't match up, it causes a great, great deal of constirnation.
THat's where the suicidal ideation comes from.

And that is why there are helpful and benefical methods to helping these kids and there are UNHELPFUL methods as well.


We all know some parents can be abusive and cause other issues. But just because a parent believes the child isn't trans doesn't make them abusive.
To be clear, I 100% agree with you. In fact, in my class RIGHT now, I have a female who says "she identifies as male". We have another one of those in our mainstream student body as well. But there is a CHASM of difference.

The mainstream student CLEARLY identifies as male because she makes every effort possible to conceal every shred of femininity in her while also desperately trying to project masculinity.

However the girl in MY class? She still wears dresses; does her hair up. She will wear feminine make up. There are exclusively outward physical signs that she female and (more importantly) there are ZERO indicators outside that she wants to be male. Now I know this girls history.
It truly is the kind of tragedy that would make your heart break (the worst kind of abuse that lasted for 7 years.....shes 13). I would fully expect her to question it. And knowing her parents, I know that they are not 100% on things (not NEARLY the worst I've seen though). It's taking them a long time to get the SIGNIFICANT mental health supports the child needs because they are (you guessed it!) poor.

It is 100% in how you message and how you interact with your children and constantly telling them the opposite of what their brain is ALWAYS telling them, WILL cause them significant anxiety.

I totally get it. I'd even be inclined to say that only a TINY portion of those kids who identify as another gender, actually hold onto that through aging. According to my friend who worked at the gender dysmorphia clinic hear in town, he said about 90% of kids revert back to their own birth gender with appropriate therapeutic support.

If you are TRULY concerned about this, I would posit that the BEST way to fight against this is actually to INSIST on single payer mental health support. Because strong mental health supports will help us "save" the kids who are just in a state of confusion.

I'd wager (though I would LOOOOOOOOVE to see data about this) that most of the current "rush" of transgender concerns skewed to the "lower classes".
 
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As a lesbian, I've of course become well aware of
negative issues and attitudes. It's unfair.
Makes life harder and kind of sad.

I'd not reccomend being lesbian to anyone, for me its
been a disaster.

So I am a bit touchy about discrimination.

Pint size female left handed Asian lesbian atheist is not
an ideal formulation for success in, say, America. Because of discrimination.

Maybe you could clarify what ypu mean by " keep to self", and, " shoving in face".


Would you be against me, as a person, for being
PSFLHAA? Approve discrumination?
I will take the liberty of answering for you- of course not.

Would reasonable measures I might take to protest
any unfair treatment based on being "PSFLH..." be distasteful to you and be resented as " shove "?

I'm curious just what you mean by what you said.
What is PSFLH?
 
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Behavior is a choice. Not attraction or dysphoria.
Exactly. Because of our disordered minds, we can get caught up in something mentally, but we don't have to act on it.
 
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Exactly. Because of our disordered minds, we can get caught up in something mentally, but we don't have to act on it.
Exactly! That’s been the problem since the fall!
 
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And a grown man going into a locker room with young female children is not disgusting? Because that's what the subject of this thread is. I don't see what's insulting to you, by the way. I just answered your question.

ETA: (From the article) “subjecting women to a loss of their constitutional right to bodily privacy.”
You've completely changed the subject.
You said it's all choice.

I said that just an opinion ( negative stereotype
Opinion) based on neither study nor experience.

You are what you do. I am a lesbian as identified
by my actions.

If you are dissatisfied with being identifed by what yiu do
perhaps you can decide to change.

Better still if it was a hasty statement that isn't really how you see things. People. Like me.

That's all about your thu ki g, not some " status quo" which is,
if anything, still very discriminatory.



The subject was, is it a choice.
For me personally, it is not. Same with others
I know.

I nor you can speak justly of those we don't know.

Now, to the topic you introduced here later-
Men in women's room?? Subjecting women to...??

As a woman I can only be far more opposed than you.

As a woman who has been raped, my privacy and safety is an intense issue.

But that wasn't it. Just your talk of " choice".

I hope you see my pov and will hpgive some revised thoughts to the idea that all of lgb... is " choice".
Ok? Friends?
 
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Exactly. Because of our disordered minds, we can get caught up in something mentally, but we don't have to act on it.
Are you quite certain of whose disordered mind is
caught up in what?
 
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