Female Athletes Sue NCAA for Allowing Transgender Competitors

[BCP1928]

Oh, come on, now! It's not as if there isn't disagreement among everyone, at all levels, even between some persons who are gay and those who are trans. It's not simply about White, Conservative, Religious people against Everyone else. That's not what's actually happening.

So, I think we can all spare ourselves the false pretenses of presenting a "clear and distinct" divide politically where there really isn't exactly that, or ONLY that.

Yes, how trans people are accommodated by sports leagues should not be a religious issue and all sides of the discussion will have various religious views with regard to it. Whether trans people should be accommodated at all is definitely a religious issue with clear drawn lines, based on the frequently quoted Gen 1:27. The standing Christian position on this board is that trans people are either lying, insane or predatory sex perverts.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Simple. The biological women, as in the OP's contexts, will enforce it.......especially if or when there may be an ethical infraction upon their own persons (i.e. unwanted sexual advances).

What gives them any authority to check someone using the restroom? Again I have to ask how this would even be enforceable. Genetic testing before every use? It’s not as simple as you’re painting this.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I'm not talking about "seg--------------------re----------------------GAY-----------------------------tion."

No one said this. So, I'd appreciate it if the implications I'm suggesting are given a fair shake as a solution.

Because, it is a solution! Everyone wins!

You’re not talking about it but the effect is just the same. Separating people based on genetic differences is illegal. We resolved this issue about 60 years ago.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yes, how trans people are accommodated by sports leagues should not be a religious issue and all sides of the discussion will have various religious views with regard to it. Whether trans people should be accommodated at all is definitely a religious issue with clear drawn lines, based on the frequently quoted Gen 1:27. The standing Christian position on this board is that trans people are either lying, insane or predatory sex perverts.

You've just skirted what I previously said. Please don't continue to do that. Please?

Furthermore, NO ONE, and I mean absolutely NO ONE, should misplace what I'm referring to as anything other than a biological issue. It is not dependent upon religion.

Additionally, I'm not against the idea of accommodating Trans People, but as with any categorization we all like to devise and use, there are limits to its application or the extent or contexts to which it will be appropriate. Biological women should not have to directly compete with non-biological trans-women, and I don't just mean on the fields of Sports.

Likewise, Christians don't get a free pass either to just willy-nilly "name it and claim it" politically simply because they think the Bible says such and such. No, they have to earn their place to speak and offer their categories for public consideration. The topic of Jesus, Himself, can be subject to the finest of hack criticism in the Lord, Liar, Lunatic [or Legend] quad-limma, so it's not surprising that Trans People will, too, be subject to finer scrutiny where their identity claims and authenticity are at issue.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You’re not talking about it but the effect is just the same. Separating people based on genetic differences is illegal. We resolved this issue about 60 years ago.

No, it is absolutely NOT the same. You're equivocating.

The term "anyone" has a completely different denotation and set of inherent connotations than the term "colored" does.

So no, it's not the same by a long shot ...............................

 

[BCP1928]

You've just skirted what I previously said. Please don't continue to do that. Please?

Furthermore, NO ONE, and I mean absolutely NO ONE, should misplace what I'm referring to as anything other than a biological issue. It is not dependent upon religion.

Additionally, I'm not against the idea of accommodating Trans People, but as with any categorization we all like to devise and use, there are limits to its application or the extent or contexts to which it will be appropriate. Biological women should not have to directly compete with non-biological trans-women, and I don't just mean on the fields of Sports.

Sports accomodation is an issue that should be solved by sports people and their leagues. In any area where biological women compete with biological men, (most modern workplaces, for example) trans is not an issue, or shouldn't be.

Likewise, Christians don't get a free pass either to just willy-nilly "name it and claim it" politically simply because they think the Bible says such and such. No, they have to earn their place to speak and offer their categories for public consideration. The topic of Jesus, Himself, can be subject to the finest of hack criticism in the Lord, Liar, Lunatic [or Legend] quad-limma,

No, that "quad lemma" is the coinage of Christians and generally refers to biblical interpretation rather than Christology.

so it's not surprising that Trans People will, too, be subject to finer scrutiny where their identity claims and authenticity are at issue.

Against what standard?

 

[Chrystal-J]

Another day, another thread about transsexuals.

Let's dedicate a whole month to it, oh wait, they already do. Maybe some people don't want their little daughters in a bathroom with a man.

 

[Zaha Torte]

What are you talking about?

Our society is infected with many sins and the delusion of this, and other gender ideologies are the worst symptoms of that infection.

 

[Chrystal-J]

What gives them any authority to check someone using the restroom? Again I have to ask how this would even be enforceable. Genetic testing before every use? It’s not as simple as you’re painting this.

Unlike the fantasy of some trans, it's not hard to tell when a man is dressed up like a woman.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Our society is infected with many sins and the delusion of this, and other gender ideologies are the worst symptoms of that infection.

Worse than murder?

 

[BCP1928]

Unlike the fantasy of some trans, it's not hard to tell when a man is dressed up like a woman.

Sometimes it is. Do you want us to post "guess the gender" pictures again?
Here's one.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Sports accomodation is an issue that should be solved by sports people and their leagues. In any area where biological women compete with biological men, (most modern workplaces, for example) trans is not an issue, or shouldn't be.

So, let me get this straight. ........... you're going to go on record as entrenchant in seeing absolutely no difference between the Central Nervous System and the Musculoskeletal Systems? And furthermore, you're going to be entranchant as well by obfuscating not only the differences between men and women genetically, but then go on to add to this an additional obfuscation about the actual biological differences between men and women so as to create a plurality where the range of genetic possibilities are pretty strongly favoring one or the other in nature, with deviations from these two usual categories being much less frequent?

I mean, if we could see that hermaphroditic individuals, and those with similar genetic compositions, made up about 33.3% of the population, then I'd say you have a case where sports are concerned. But then to reduce "sports" down to a mere business proposition for the sake of inserting equality into the ethical landscape of rules seems to be a conflation too many since "sports" involve additional capacities of the overall physical makeup in human beings than what the typical business office require.

No, that "quad lemma" is the coinage of Christians and generally refers to biblical interpretation rather than Christology.

Actually, that "coinage" was drawn from the usual arguments that both atheists and hard skeptics have traditionally put forth about not only Christology, but also Jesus' historicity. C.S. Lewis aside, I'm just adding to it the arbitration of the taxonomic list.

In a similar way, your "liar, lunatic or pervert" taxonomic complaint is likewise derived from compiling what you perceive your antagonists to be saying.

Against what standard?

The STANDARDS of scrutiny that apply to...........well, darn near everything................those of Logic, History, Science, and Reality.

No one gets a free pass. I don't. You don't. Christians don't. And neither does "anyone" else.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Sometimes it is. Do you want us to post "guess the gender" pictures again?
Here's one.


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Pictures don't show a man lumbering along in a dress, big hands, etc. There are some things men can't shake no matter how much they want to be a woman.

 

[BCP1928]

So, let me get this straight. ........... you're going to go on record as entrenchant in seeing absolutely no difference between the Central Nervous System and the Musculoskeletal Systems? And furthermore, you're going to be entranchant as well by obfuscating not only the differences between men and women genetically, but then go on to add to this an additional obfuscation about the actual biological differences between men and women so as to create a plurality where the range of genetic possibilities are pretty strongly favoring one or the other in nature, with deviations from these two usual categories being much less frequent?

I mean, if we could see that hermaphroditic individuals, and those with similar genetic compositions, made up about 33.3% of the population, then I'd say you have a case where sports are concerned. But then to reduce "sports" down to a mere business proposition for the sake of inserting equality into the ethical landscape of rules seems to be a conflation too many since "sports" involve additional capacities of the overall physical makeup in human beings than what the typical business office require.

Yes, that certainly convinced me that the question should be left up to experts in the field.

Actually, that "coinage" was drawn from the usual arguments that both atheists and hard skeptics have traditionally put forth about not only Christology, but also Jesus' historicity. C.S. Lewis aside, I'm just adding to it the arbitration of the taxonomic list.

But it is only the least bit relevant when applied to the literal and inerrant Bible Jesus.

In a similar way, your "liar, lunatic or pervert" taxonomic complaint is likewise derived from compiling what your perceive your antagonists to be saying.

No, it has been stated explicitly by a number of posters in this forum to the approval of many others.

The STANDARDS of scrutiny that apply to...........well, darn near everything................those of Logic, History, Science, and Reality.

No one gets a free pass. I don't. You don't. Christians don't. And neither does "anyone" else.

Yeah, that works, if you deny science and reality. Oh, and history, which tells us how trans has been handled in earlier times and different cultures.

 

[BCP1928]

Pictures don't show a man lumbering along in a dress, big hands, etc. There are some things men can't shake no matter how much they want to be a woman.

So if they can fool you, it's OK if they go into the Ladies' to wee?

 

[Zaha Torte]

Worse than murder?

Potentially.

 

[BCP1928]

Our society is infected with many sins and the delusion of this, and other gender ideologies are the worst symptoms of that infection.

I think war is worse. What people who are strangers to me do with their genitals doesn't seem nearly as grievous as war.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I think war is worse. What people who are strangers to me do with their genitals doesn't seem nearly as grievous as war.

Except they are targeting children - trying to spread their delusion - and it leads to nothing but their own suffering and destruction.

This is no different than war - except most people don't recognize it as such and often support it - so its worse.

 

[BCP1928]

Except they are targeting children - trying to spread their delusion - and it leads to nothing but their own suffering and destruction.

This is no different than war - except most people don't recognize it as such and often support it - so its worse.

Well, there is some difference. If I had a choice between seeing my child taught tolerance for LGBT people versus seeing her blown to bloody shreds by an enemy drone, I'm afraid I would have to make a different choice than you would.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Well, there is some difference. If I had a choice between seeing my child taught tolerance for LGBT people versus seeing her blown to bloody shreds by an enemy drone, I'm afraid I would have to make a different choice than you would.

No parent should want their child to suffer and die - either at the hands of an enemy combatant - or by a doctor and their child's own hand when they finally decide to end their suffering because they believe that the evil spirits won?

Why do you make it seem like I would be for either choice?