No one said that reading His record of the future or the past saves us.
YOur lot seem to set a lot more store by the part of the Bible that pertain to the world before the coming of our Lord than the the oned that pertains to our Lord Himself. Doesn't that seem odd to you?
It is the creator that died for us and saves us.
Yeah, I get that from the Gospel of John.
Knowing God means knowing He is the creator.
Oh, uyou mean that all things were made by Him, and that without Him was not anything made that was made? That's the Gospel of John again.
If some people preached evolution as the way man got here, but also claimed to be preaching 'salvation' they would be liars.
Really? Because you don't be;ieve that God could possibly have used evolution to create the human race? Really? Had to be a magic wave of the hand, right? Salvation comes from our Lord Christ, not in deciidng how God must have accomplished the Creation.
Jesus was not just a man or a wise man, He is God Almighty, maker of heaven and earth.
In rthe begining was he Words, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....all things were made by Him, and that without Him was not anything made that was made. The Gospel again.
We should know who we believe in and who we come to.
And the Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us. Gospel
We are not coming to some benign spirit that oversaw the evolution of man.
I.E. He had to create man by mEAns that your lot find acceptable.
stipulate - to say
exactly how something must be or must be done: "God created the universe. Stipulated."
Knowing that He is God and His Way (Jesus) He provided for salvation gives us hope. Looking to the future also gives us hope.
But make sure you don't spend a l;ot of time in the writings that pertain to our Lord Himself, right?
The good news that God was sending Jesus into the world one day is in the old testament.
The Good News (aka, the Gospel) is that our Lord
came, and lived amongst us, and provided for our salvation. That's in the New Testament.
They were saved by believing that He would come and we are saved by believing He did come. Same God.
Nah,let's sjust sit around and worry about how God created the universe. Spolier Alert - He created it. It's here. We're. Oh yeah, Jesus actually came. You might want to turn some modicum of your attention to what HJ had to say, but what the ancient verses said He might say and do.
The ones who did receive Him also knew the Scripture.
How much Scripture did Cornelius know? And his family? Bible scholars, were they, steeped in the Old Testament? Or a Roman soldier and his family? A disgusting
gentile!
So it was not knowing Scripture that resulted in many not receiving Him.
The Pharisees were the master of Scripture. The Romans for the most part couildn't even read it. Who were the ones hollering "Crucify Him!?
Mary and Joseph and Zechariah and John the Baptist etc also knew about Adam and Eve.
Is that what they were precahing about?
That did not make them yell crucify Him.
No, God Incarnate Himself did that, by not being what they believed Messiah would be, and not saying what they expected Him to say.
His word is living and full of lessons and promises and communication from God for us. Not just history.
And the New Testament is the genuine article.
The old testament also told how He would die and rise again.
Which because obvious after He died and rose aggain.
There were miracles there also. Hundreds of prophesies about Jesus.
Then there was Jesus Himself. Seems to me that the main thing would not be what somebody centuries before said He'd be like,
but as He actually was.
The same God wrote it all (using men) that is all we need to understand.
No, we need the Gospel. The Jews still have the OT, and they deny Christ,
What an absurd false accusation. The lessons and examples in the old testament are for our benefit. Not 'trivia'
TYhey point to Jesus. I prefer to read about Jesus.
He gave us the many stories in the bible old and net testaments. He did not consider them irrelevant doctrines.
Then what did Hesay that turned His own people murderous? It wasn't just being a another rabbi.
If we know God we know He created us.
Then we know one fact. Again, stipulated. "19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." James,New Testament
. Knowing that God means we cannot be deceived by doctrines of devils like evolution. "19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
Anyone that does not believe that God is the creator of heaven and earth and man.
Even allowing for that possibility shows direct rebellion against God.
Beating a strawman there. There's no one here do does
not believe that God created the universwe.
So you're doubling down on the"God
couldn't have..." position. I maintain,and have fore several decades. that any belief that any statement that attributes any inability to do anything is rubbish. God is God, and can, and will, do as He pleases, without regard to how anyone feels about it.
No he did not make us from worms, sorry.
Nobopdy said He did, but He certainly couild have if He'd thought that was the best way to go about it. He certainly wouldn't have solicited you opinion, or mine, on our opinion in the matter.
Yes the old testament gives the record of actual beginnings.
"God said it an there it was." OK. He sure did make it look old, though, didn't He? Why would that be, do you reckon?
Right, He cannot lie! He said how it was done.
He doesn't lie. But if I say "I wrote the first fully internet capable voice mail system on the market" It would be true, but it would lack a lot in detail, wouildn't it? Got a question along those lines at CT Expo one year. Dude came to the booth and played with the demo for a bit, and asked "What's to keep me from just writing one of these things myself?" My partnet and I say "Not a thing. We did, you could too. Knock yourself out." He seemed to be laboring under the delusion that we just sat down one afternoon, pecked on a keyboard for awhile, and "Voila!", a fully network integrated VM system. So why not write one your own self? After all, couple of rednecks (OK, orangeneck in my case) did it, why shouldn't he? He just missed the part where it took hundreds of manhours and a few tubs of money to do.
So y'all say "God just waved His hand and all that stuff that looks like it took a really, really long time only took six 24 HOUR days. Poof!" So, studiously ignoring the Scriptures that say that our notions of time don't apply to God, you declare your 8640 minute creation to be unchallengeable dogma. I say that's rubbish, however much you beat on the table. God took as long as seemed good to Him, and your opinion of how long that had to be is worth precisely the price charged.
Yeah. He created the universe. So say we all. You just claim details that in general you have to make up. For example, how'd those sunless evenings and mornings work without you inventing a pre-sun sun? (The mere existenceof light doesn't count, you can't tell time by a light that burns 24/7.)
There is no need to fantasize about how He could have done it another way.
But y'all have to fantasize God being restricted by time as we are, and your pre-sun sun,and hours/minutes/seconds measures that hadn't been invented then, and God's unwillingness/inability to use one lifeform of His own creation to use as a step toward another creature that is the to be the end result. You declare that God
cannot have built the house a step at a time, but had to do it all in one swell foop
None at all. Pretending He is weak because He did it the way He said He did it is insulting Him and His word.
Strawman again. Nobody said or implied any such ridiculous thing.
No more than your salvation rides on a worm.
Sorry, but that's idiotic.
Show us where there is no morning and evening mentioned?
Show us how you can have an evening and a morning without a sun. And no, if you have to invent a pre-sun of your own then you're no longer even pretending to follow Scripture.
He taught us that He fulfilled the Scripture. There is plenty more to come! There is more about the next coming than the first one! And both are well prophesied in the old testament as well.
Why are your lot so stuck in the OT? Good. Y'all apear more interested in stuff that alludes to our Lord's coming than you are in our Lord's actual coming. Whassup with that?
Not sure why you feel a need to post your supper menu on a discussion forum.
Old Testament, no oysters allowed. Unclean. New Testment, we get to eat oysters, and swimps, and pork chops. God gave us His permission. You probably never heard about that; there's no foreshadowing of it in the OT. Amazing innit?
