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Conviction Ensures Trump Victory

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The left doesn't care if it's a banana republic though. they want a banana republic.
We certainly do not. And on this, I feel confident I can speak for the American left.
 
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Seems it is what the trial was based off of. A non disclosure agreement .
He wasnt convicted of "hush money" or an NDA etc. The money aspect of it could have been for a rent payment or buying a plane and the crime would be exactly the same.
 
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Okay what is the crime that was being concealed that makes it a felony?
Its important to note that it only needs to reach the bar of ALLEGED crime.

And because it's only an alleged crime it need not be proven. And if it need not be proven then the delineated list of possibilities would be acceptable. And there would be no need for unanimity for that same reason; it's alleged.
 
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The left doesn't care if it's a banana republic though. they want a banana republic.
Sounds a bit odd, as it's Trump who has said that he'd like to be a dictator for a day. But of course, just for a day.
 
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The political ramifications are irrelevant to the impartial application of the law, which is what Trump has received.
Saying so doesn’t make it so. Did you even read the post about the exceptions of it being a fair trial?
 
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Its important to note that it only needs to reach the bar of ALLEGED crime.

And because it's only an alleged crime it need not be proven. And if it need not be proven then the delineated list of possibilities would be acceptable. And there would be no need for unanimity for that same reason; it's alleged.
I’m the one that used the word alleged. The 6th amendment protects defendants against such vague charges. A defendant has a right to know what he is accused of so that he can properly defend against it
 
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If I had and I were a professional attorney, I might be able to compile more arguments


^^^ a few words from a legal scholar and 2020 Biden voter
 
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I and many other Americans will not allow an authoritarian despot ruin our country's institutions.
But you all are appearing to allow the Democratic Party to ruin our country's institutions.
 
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Trump is toxic for America in so many ways.
GOP needs to move on.
Joe Biden and the progressive left is toxic for America in so many ways. Perhaps the Democratic Party ought to move on?
 
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I’m happy that you’re able to laugh at things you don’t fully understand. It’s very human of you.
Au contrare. I understand you perfectly. And I’m not laughing at things. :tutu:
 
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He Only Grows Stronger​

Flash Poll Indicates Trump's Standing Improved With Voters After Verdict​


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The world was rocked after former President Donald Trump was found guilty on 34 felony charges for falsifying business records.

The jury of seven men and five women at Manhattan Criminal Court deliberated for nearly 10 hours before convicting the former president.

It was the first time a former U.S. President has faced a criminal trial and the verdict could upend the 2024 White House race, proving a pivotal moment in the history of the United States.

Donald Trump praised DailyMail.com’s exclusive poll for a second time during remarks Thursday.

The poll found that the guilty verdict in Manhattan only improved the former president’s standing with likely voters ahead of the 2024 election.

He did raise $54 million in 24 hours
 
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CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig criticized the New York criminal case against Donald Trump as an "unjustified mess" in a scathing analysis piece, saying prosecutors "contorted the law" to ensnare the former president.

"Prosecutors got their man, for now at least — but they also contorted the law in an unprecedented manner in their quest to snare their prey," Honig wrote in New York magazine.

A New York jury on Thursday found Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business documents brought against him by Democratic Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg. Honig wrote the jury and their verdict "deserve respect" because the 12 New Yorkers are not responsible for the conduct of Bragg and his office, but criticized the "structural infirmity" of the case.

"Both of these things can be true at once: The jury did its job, and this case was an ill-conceived, unjustified mess. Sure, victory is the great deodorant, but a guilty verdict doesn’t make it all pure and right," Honig wrote.
Honig then laid out "undeniable facts" about NY v. Trump.

"The judge donated money — a tiny amount, $35, but in plain violation of a rule prohibiting New York judges from making political donations of any kind — to a pro-Biden, anti-Trump political operation, including funds that the judge earmarked for ‘resisting the Republican Party and Donald Trump’s radical right-wing legacy,’" Honig wrote. "Would folks have been just fine with the judge staying on the case if he had donated a couple bucks to ‘Re-elect Donald Trump, MAGA forever!’? Absolutely not."

The CNN legal guru then noted that Bragg ran for office by "touting his Trump-hunting prowess" in the deeply blue county. Honig, who noted Bragg and Trump attorney Todd Blanche are both his friends and former colleagues, also said Bragg regularly made false claims about Trump on the campaign trail.

"Most importantly, the DA’s charges against Trump push the outer boundaries of the law and due process. That’s not on the jury. That’s on the prosecutors who chose to bring the case and the judge who let it play out as it did," Honig wrote.
Honig declared the charges against Trump are "obscure, and nearly entirely unprecedented."

"In fact, no state prosecutor — in New York, or Wyoming, or anywhere — has ever charged federal election laws as a direct or predicate state crime, against anyone, for anything. None. Ever," Honig wrote.

The first issue for the DA, according to Honig, was that "nobody cares about a misdemeanor, and it would be laughable to bring the first-ever charge against a former president for a trifling offense that falls within the same technical criminal classification as shoplifting a Snapple and a bag of Cheetos from a bodega."

The second issue was the statute of limitations on a misdemeanor had long passed, so the DA needed to "inflate the charges" to a low-level felony. To do so, Honig pointed out that Bragg’s office alleged that the falsification of business records was committed "with intent to commit another crime."
 
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