Conviction Ensures Trump Victory

[Soldier of Christ1516]

It was not a sham.

Not an answer to my question. Everyone knows you’ve made up you mind. The question was about credibility of it being a sham trial.

 

[rambot]

This was a fair trial, except …

1. There Was No Crime.
   1. Paying someone not to talk is not a crime.

Mischaracterization of a crime is not a crime. But it's also not a reasonable argument.

• Statute Of Limitations Expired.
  1. Even if there was a crime.

What was the excuse the court gave for now following said S.O.L., I'm curious if you even know it.

• Prosecutorial Abuse of Power/Overcharging.
  1. The allegation of business misrepresentations is, at most, a mistake. It should be handled in a civil case, if not merely a misdemeanor.
  2. The rationalization of multiple counts (34) is based on campaign financing reporting, not repeated incidents of a crime.

This understanding is based off of what exactly? And how is it that these arguments were not convincing enough in an actual court of law, as appealing as they may sound in an internet chat forum?

• Prosecutorial Abuse of Power/Undercharging.
  1. Campaign finance reporting was made, in part, due to Prosecutors Witness, (Cohen) who testified he stole $50,000.00 from Defendant.
  2. Not only, was he not charged, this makes Defendant the victim in the proceeding.

Maybe Trump should press charges against Cohen for stealing that money now. I'm guess he'd be within his rights, non?

That said, it would have no bearing on Trump's guilt.

• Judge Refused Change Of Venue.
  1. Defendant is political opponent and the district the prosecutor filed charges had the highest % of votes against him in the 2020 election.
  2. It is not reasonable to expect a fair trial with a jury of his peers.

Defendant is not a "political opponent" to anyone in the court. He's a private citizen. Neither the judge nor the jury is running against Trump.

It's becoming VERY clear that right leaning folks would LOVE an autocrat that they agree with (moreso than a fairly elected leader).

But that does NOT mean that the left wants that OR behaves that way.

• Judge Refused To Recuse Himself.
  1. Judge and daughter of judge were donors to the Defendant’s political opponent.

pft. So?
Look what's happening on the Supreme Court. You think THAT is enough?

• Violation of 1st Amendment. Gag Order
  1. Defendant was repeatedly punished for publicly pointing out the political motivations of the officers of the court.
  2. His 1st Amendment rights were deprived when he needed them most – when he was at risk of losing life, liberty and property at the hands of a tyrannical State.

Yes. The judge gets to decide how people conduct themselves in his/her court. It's like being a guest in a house. NOBODY in courts has "free speech" rights. Stop being juvenile.
This idea that Trump "doesn't have to control himself based on circumstances"? Why? You don't allow a petulent child to behave that way, why allow an adult?

• Violation of 6th Amendment:
  1. Charge was not specified. It is impossible to defend against an unspecified charge.

If the charge was not specified, it would be hard to be proven too. Maybe the charge WAS specified and there is confusion.

• Violation of 8th Amendment:
  1. Excessive punishment. 4 years in jail per count is a life sentence for a non-crime, a misdemeanor, at most. Such punishment is not merely cruel and unusual, it’s unheard of and unprecedented.

• Defense Not Allowed To Bring Witnesses.
  1. FEC Commissioner would have explained what a campaign contribution is and what it is not. This expert witness would destroy one of the elements of the complaint.
  2. Another witness would have not corroborated lying witnesses’ testimony.

Could you please provide the direction instruction from the judge where he indicated that witnesses weren't permitted? Because that would be kind of aggregious if it were true.
But I can guarantee it isn't true, because Trump's a liar.

• Judge Failed To Dismiss Case With Grounds.
  1. Prosecutions witness lied, leaving Defendant with no credible witnesses against him.

Which one? How?

• Improper Jury Instructions
  1. Normally, jury instructions are about 5 pages and written copies given to the jury.
  2. In this case, the jury instructions were 54 pages and only provided to the jury verbally.

Great.

• 1. Judge specifically told jury that certain pieces of evidence could be considered sufficient to convict.

Which specific instruction and for which piece of Evidence and how were his instructions aggregious?

1. The instructions included not having to agree that a crime was committed, which is another 6th Amendment violation.

This has already been explained by a layperson on THIS website. And if a layperson on THIS website can explain it, then certainty it's dismissable in a court.

1. I really haven’t been paying attention. If I had and I were a professional attorney, I might be able to compile more arguments why this will be vacated upon appeal. Those involved should be disbarred and convicted themselves.

Oh? You're not a professional lawyer eh?

 

[wing2000]

Not an answer to my question. Everyone knows you’ve made up you mind. The question was about credibility of it being a sham trial.

RFK Jr did not provide any such reason.
Why do you think it was "a sham"?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I really haven’t been paying attention.

You have certainly drank a a lot of cool aid.

Trump is toxic for America in so many ways.
GOP needs to move on.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Donald Trump was found guilty by 12 of our fellow citizens

Off how religious people suppose a human institution take on sacrosanct proportions. Wher where you during all the BLM riots?

 

[wing2000]

Off how religious people suppose a human institution take on sacrosanct proportions. Wher where you during all the BLM riots?

Our justice system is not "sacroscant". However, turst in our justice system it is essential if our democratic republic is to survive. It seems you are doing your part to undermine it. Like I wrote earlier, go visit another country with no justice system and just maybe, you'll appreciate what a real banana republic is (leave the napalm behind).

 

[dzheremi]

I understand Trumps donations website shut down due to too many people giving donations. Great article for those biased away from power and toward Gof given Liberty.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Don't bring Gof into this. Geef Louife.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Mischaracterization of a crime is not a crime.

? Prosecutors have a legal burden to meet. What statute under NY law did President Trump violate according to trial documents?

 

[ozso]

...as if citing RFK Jr lends *any credibility*

edit - I listened to the first 2 minutes of the interview.....JFK is repeating is simply repeating the Trump talking points (weaponization of the justice dept, etc).

JFK Jr, the Op and I suspect many here have no idea what a real banana republic looks like. I will say there are some similarities when a former POTUS verbally attacks our justices system on daily basis. He undermined our election system in 2020. Now, he has his eyes on the justice system.

I and many other Americans will not allow an authoritarian despot ruin our country's institutions.

I think when it comes to the banana republic comparison, it has to do with certain aspects, rather than meaning every single aspect and completely identical in every single way. Just like when the left compares the right to Nazis, they don't mean identical to in every single way.

 

[ozso]

If you actually are asking that, it's clear you've never been to a third world country.

I doubt those saying that have been either. And really they just don't want to admit how bad things have gotten here for so many.

 

[wing2000]

I think when it comes to the banana republic comparison, it has to do with certain aspects, rather than meaning every single aspect and completely identical in every single way. Just like when the left compares the right to Nazis, they don't mean identical to in every single way.

Sure. In this case, the trial was cited as an example of a Banana Republic. No former POTUS will be tried by a jury of his peers in a Banana Republic. The former president of Honduras was recently prosecuted...not by his own government...but but be the US government (after extradiotion) -- convicted of drug charges.

 

[ozso]

Sure. In this case, the trial was cited as an example of a Banana Republic. No former POTUS will be tried by a jury of his peers in a Banana Republic. The former president of Honduras was recently prosecuted...not by his own government...but but be the US government (after extradiotion) -- convicted of drug charges.

It's more in regards to election interference and law enforcement being political.

 

[childeye 2]

There is no such word in the English language as "moneys". It's just "money". It's an abstract concept and not a calculable one. We cannot go: one money, two moneys, three moneys, etc.
There is no amount of money that causes it go from money to moneys. $5 is money, $10 is still money, not 2 moneys.
It's always just money...

I keep seeing monkeys.

 

[rambot]

I doubt those saying that have been either. And really they just don't want to admit how bad things are getting here.

My parents have been. They did relief work for 20 years through our church. They spent at least 1/3 of every year in a third world country.

It's absurd to compare the US to a third world country.

Just absurd..

Note....drugs really aren't actually too much of a problem in developing countries.... They are expensive.

There's no social assistance. There's no food banks. There is about 1/1000th the wealth. They don't have the luxuries you do, nor the infrastruture.


Seriously.

 

[Whyayeman]

Prosecutors have a legal burden to meet. What statute under NY law did President Trump violate according to trial documents?

That is easy. He was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

You have not been paying attention.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

That is easy. He was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

You have not been paying attention.

No. What statute? Where is this specified in the statute to be a felony? Guess what? It’s not.

 

[Whyayeman]

No. What statute? Where is this specified in the statute to be a felony? Guess what? It’s not.

So, only you spotted this. It would have helped the defence if only they had known.

 

[ozso]

My parents have been. They did relief work for 20 years through our church. They spent at least 1/3 of every year in a third world country.

It's absurd to compare the US to a third world country.

Just absurd..

Note....drugs really aren't actually too much of a problem in developing countries.... They are expensive.

There's no social assistance. There's no food banks. There is about 1/1000th the wealth. They don't have the luxuries you do, nor the infrastruture.


Seriously.

I'm sure you know they're talking about stuff like this which is growing exponentially:

 

[rambot]

It's more in regards to election interference and law enforcement being political.

So it's about feelings?

 

[ozso]

So it's about feelings?

Perception.