SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[Foamhead]

I was a double major in psych and religious studies with a Spanish minor. I won’t say which school I went to because it would be very easy to get my information because it was very small.

That's very impressive, and a very high workload.

The rest of what I said still applies.

 

[rjs330]

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Transgender people are mentally ill, but if they do not have dysphoria, over this condition, they just need…?

If you are genuinely trans you have the disorder. Otherwise you most likely have autogynaphelia. Or a simple transvestite, but you are not actually trans. If you are altering your body with drugs and surgeries you have the disorder because you actually believe you are the opposite sex so you are altering your entire life and body to be that.
There are those that after doing that who realize they actually are not trans but have other mental health issues and detransistion. It's a growing group. Those who were influenced along that line often through social media.

This is why we need to protect children from making a terrible mistake. Upward of 80% desist. That means if we were to give them the drugs or mastechtomies we would be at a 80% error rate. Including kids who are autistic or gay.or who have other mental health issues. How you justify a 80% error rate is is beyond me.

 

[rjs330]

Nobody is interested in yours or anyone else's appeals to nature or biology. As I said in this thread, unless one is against all forms of plastic surgery, eyeglasses, cochlear implants, corrective surgery i.e. cleft palate or clubbed feet, then you don't really believe your own argument.

I've already addressed that. Appeals to biology is a valid fact and scienced based argument. All those thing you keep mentioning are things that are observable and testable. They are observable and testable defects in the body. To repair those things is perfectly reasonable and acceptable.

You are comparing a physical defect to a mental health issue. Are you saying that being trans is a physical ir mental defect?

 

[DaisyDay]

Sorry I didn't mean for all eternity past. I mean right now.

Okay, then stating that something has always been a certain way isn't the best phrasing.

If a parent is doing harm to their child it's called child abuse and it's against the law.

Sometimes it is and sometimes it is not.

 

[Foamhead]

I've already addressed that. Appeals to biology is a valid fact and scienced based argument. All those thing you keep mentioning are things that are observable and testable. They are observable and testable defects in the body. To repair those things is perfectly reasonable and acceptable.

You are comparing a physical defect to a mental health issue. Are you saying that being trans is a physical ir mental defect?

You haven't addressed anything other then extensively repeating yourself. Just because you like using a fallacious argument doesn't make it a valid one. You hate trans and LGBT people. We get it. Nobody with functioning brain cells really believes you care because of some deep burning passion inside you for biological integrity. The fact that you keep using invented statistics that have already been corrected shows you don't actually care about anything other then your own uninformed and ignorant opinions.

 

[rjs330]

You would also know, if you really have such a degree, about the numerous studies done on people with gender dysphoria including the structural differences in their brains. You would yet also know that it is incurable and reparative therapy does not work.

Actually the studies do not prove anything. They are totally inconclusive. They have failed.on a number of accounts through small.size, failure to have control groupa.and they ignore the other brain studies which are far larger and have have been going on for longer. These studies are showing brain is actually a mosaic and that a strict male or female brain do not actually exist. So rents people CA not actually claim they have the brain of the opposite sex. Even transgender affirmers recognize this

That’s why Dan Karasic, a psychiatrist who serves trans patients and also serves on the workgroup committee for the WPATH standards of care, was quick to dismiss the impact the new studies could have on treatment.

“Studies like this expand our knowledge of the brain and gender identity, but do not have clinical utility,” he told ThinkProgress. “There is more overlap in male and female brains than there are differences. The best way to determine gender identity is to ask.”

Asking the individual is still rhe key. So as I've pointed out there is still no way to.prove that a male is really a female or vice versa. Unlike physical abnormalities like a cleft pallet. It still rest on "are you trans." "Yes I am" model.

Many others have highlighted Karasic’s point about the overlap. Brains are not easily distinguished as male brains and female brains. It’s just that some characteristics tend to be more common in male brains while others tend to be more common in female brains, but there are plenty of outliers across the spectrum.

Gender Dysphoria may not be completely curable, but therapy can help one work through it and live a relative healthy life without actually transitioning. More and more therapists are joining the therapy first coalition who have a system that works with people who think they are trans. They reject Affirmative Care because they know that people who ckaimbto be trans often have other things going on and when those things are worked through the person discovers they are not actually trans.

This is another reason why children should not be transitioned through Affirnstive Care and mmedicalization.wait until they are adults.

 

[RileyG]

Nobody is interested in yours or anyone else's appeals to nature or biology. As I said in this thread, unless one is against all forms of plastic surgery, eyeglasses, cochlear implants, corrective surgery i.e. cleft palate or clubbed feet, then you don't really believe your own argument.

If you really have a BA in psyche from an accredited school, then you'd know full well much of gender behaviour is learned and an artifact of culture and society. Almost everyone who is "opposed", i.e. hostile to LGBT people are evangelical Christians. The same people fighting tooth and nail against gay marriage, abortion, whatever. I'm starting to wonder if you guys are ever passionate about any social issue that isn't related to sex. You would also know, if you really have such a degree, about the numerous studies done on people with gender dysphoria including the structural differences in their brains. You would yet also know that it is incurable and reparative therapy does not work.

The word "ideology" essentially means a set of beliefs or opinions. Saying "I'm against trans ideology" is simply saying "we are against your opinions"... we know that, we just don't care. You can be against whatever you want, at the end of the day this is a secular society and your religion stops at the the church's door. If you don't like LGBT people then don't interact with them and leave them alone. I don't like Catholicism... you don't see me trying to nail the church doors shut. You guys do you, as they say.

Out of curiosity I did a search to see if you have ever mentioned this degree before.

You left college in 2018: Do most millennials spend their time alone?


Here you claimed here to have a degree in religious studies:

Can a Christians give blessings for a Jewish wedding?

Those are the three major Jewish sects. I wonder what are three major Christian sects

www.christianforums.com

Here you're a Spanish minor: learning a new language


That's a lot of degrees for one so young. Not impossible, but that's a pretty tight schedule. It's takes 4 years average for a single BA and you were only in school for 4 years. What school did you get these degrees at?



You are asking a question about an intangible that is nearly impossible to describe, and what does it matter if you understand or not? If you don't have OCD, ADHD, Bipolar, whatever... you're never going to understand what it's like. Nor do you need to.

Ah, yes. Religion does not stop at the Church’s door. It’s about a relationship with a living God that affects one’s entire life.

That being said, I can also state LGBT belongs in the bedroom only and should never be made public. Is that fair?

 

[BCP1928]

Ah, yes. Religion does not stop at the Church’s door. It’s about a relationship with a living God that affects one’s entire life.

That being said, I can also state LGBT belongs in the bedroom only and should never be made public. Is that fair?

Only if it applies to straight heterosexuals as well.

 

[RileyG]

Only if it applies to straight heterosexuals as well.

It was a rhetorical question, I actually didn’t mean it, but you’re right

 

[Foamhead]

Ah, yes. Religion does not stop at the Church’s door. It’s about a relationship with a living God that affects one’s entire life.

That being said, I can also state LGBT belongs in the bedroom only and should never be made public. Is that fair?

If you mean people shouldn't have sex in public, I agree. Otherwise unless there are laws or people attempting to pass laws forcing you to be LGBT or live as an LGBT person, I fail to see the analogy.

 

[RileyG]

If you mean people shouldn't have sex in public, I agree. Otherwise unless there are laws or people attempting to pass laws forcing you to be LGBT or live as an LGBT person, I fail to see the analogy.

I am simply stating why should religion be a completely private matter while it’s ok for people to be LGBT publicly? You can’t have it both ways,

 

[Foamhead]

I am simply stating why should religion be a completely private matter while it’s ok for people to be LGBT publicly? You can’t have it both ways,

You can be as public as you like about it as long as it has no legal effect on anyone else.

 

[Pommer]

I am simply stating why should religion be a completely private matter while it’s ok for people to be LGBT publicly? You can’t have it both ways,

LGBT folks don’t ”choose” their sexuality and shouldn’t be punished (by society) for living their own life in the manner that they want, (assuming it’s consenting adults).

But to be a Christian, one has to choose to become something that they are not (when they were born), why does “choice” trump “the way they are”?

 

[rjs330]

don't find you to be able better judge of what is correct for children then parents and health care professionals.

I'm not. It's the professionals that have done this is other countries. And professionals in this one that think the same thing. Health care professionals here are now backward compared to the rest of the world.

 

[rjs330]

You hate trans and LGBT people. We get it. Nobody with functioning brain cells really believes you care because of some deep burning passion inside you for biological integrity.

I absolutely do care about it. I care about biology and I care about what transgenderism has done to children and how it's affected society as a whole. It matters to me.

And I want you and the kids to get the help you need and not some solution that doesn't really help and creates more problems for everyone.

The fact that you keep using invented statistics that have already been corrected shows you don't actually care about anything other then your own uninformed and ignorant opinions

Everything I say can be backed up by facts. Just like you thought I was wrong about kids have surgeries. I was right. Like I said before, I've done hours and hours of research on this subject. Listening to therapists on all sides. Endocrinologist, reading research papers etc etc. For more than I probably should. But it has made me extremely well informed.

I don't hate anyone. Disagreement with a groups agenda is not hate. Do you hate me? You disagree with me and my desires to stop the transing of children and the ideology that seeks to completely alter our society. Do you hate me for that? Can't we debate and disagree vehemently without hate? I think we can.

I noticed you dodged the question again. You brought up physical defects as a defense for gender surgeries. I asked this before. Why are you complaining this?

You are comparing a physical defect to a mental health issue. Are you saying that being trans is a physical ir mental defect?

 

[rjs330]

You can be as public as you like about it as long as it has no legal effect on anyone else.

I agree. I would also assume you wouldn't support it being pushed in the workplace either.

 

[BCP1928]

I don't hate anyone. Disagreement with a groups agenda is not hate. Do you hate me? You disagree with me and my desires to stop the transing of children and the ideology that seeks to completely alter our society. Do you hate me for that? Can't we debate and disagree vehemently without hate? I think we can.

I don't hate you, but I distrust you for lumping two issues together like that, one real and deserving of criticism, the other imaginary.

 

[RileyG]

LGBT folks don’t ”choose” their sexuality and shouldn’t be punished (by society) for living their own life in the manner that they want, (assuming it’s consenting adults).

But to be a Christian, one has to choose to become something that they are not (when they were born), why does “choice” trump “the way they are”?

Behavior is a choice. Just like choosing to be religious. Neither should be "punished" by society.

I disagree, it's not "the way they are."

 

[RileyG]

You can be as public as you like about it as long as it has no legal effect on anyone else.

The same can be said about the LGBT movement and those who do. not want to participate in it etc.

 

[Foamhead]

I noticed you dodged the question again. You brought up physical defects as a defense for gender surgeries. I asked this before. Why are you complaining this?

You're not entitled to an answer just because you ask a question, especially a question that's already been answered. You not liking the answer doesn't mean the question was ignored. Repeating your uninformed opinions over and over and over and over does not somehow brute force said opinions into being a fact. Furthermore being correct about one thing does not mean you are correct about everything else.

You are not a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, and do not have any expertise whatsoever on gender identity disorder. You certainly don't know more about it then a trans person. Therefore your "disagreement", your opinions, mean absolutely nothing. There are virtually no experts in the field who agree with you. If there were you'd be citing them. As hard as this is to believe for some of you, what you personally feel in your tummy must be right isn't the same as a proven fact.

You do hate LGBT people and you are indeed an authoritarian trying to impose a religious ideology on the rest of us. Masking it as concern for biology or "for the children" doesn't move anyone. You're free to tell yourself whatever you have to, I see through you and people like you. There are interviews with people who participated in lynchings back in the 1800 and early 1900's where the interview subjects stated they weren't racist and didn't hate black people, including the thugs that murdered Emmett Till. Some were saying this as they stood in front of the victims still hanging from the tree. Someone saying they don't hate a demographic or that they aren't a bigot doesn't mean they aren't, it just means they totally lack self awareness because their vile worldview is the soup they swim in.

There's nothing I can say that will move you or those like you one iota and we both know this. Any facts, studies, whatever, if they don't tell you what you want to hear then you will disregard them and claim they are part of some nefarious "agenda". I don't have the temperament let alone inclination to go back and forth with you or those like you.

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