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SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors
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I humbly disagree and don’t think it defines them as a person. That’s only my opinion.
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Well, I'm somebody and I'm interested.
Nor am I against all forms of plastic surgery. Those which restore normalcy in one's appearance, eg breast implants after double mastectomy, some of the examples in your post, and the like are good. Those which mutilate a normal body, not so much.
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It's always comical when people use the word "progressive" as a snarl, as if progress is a bad thing. Is says a lot about the speaker. Regardless I'm not a liberal and am actually pretty libertarian in most of my social views. Eugenics have been around since ancient times and are hardly an invention of the left or the right. The ancient Spartans, hardly the liberal wimps of the ancient world, did eugenics on steroids.Pretend you're in a discussion forum having a discussion.
Again, pretend you're having a discussion on a discussion forum. If you prefer....I can show you what WPATH actually knows and what they say behind closed doors. You know, the "experts".
Argument from authority - Wikipedia
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That's debatable.
Yeesh.
Ad hominem - Wikipedia
The thing that makes an ad hominem attack wrong is that even if these horrible things were true, about the person whom you presume to judge...it doesn't make their arguments wrong.
That's telling. I think the people being experimented on should be the priority here....not whatever your reasons for arguing are.
There's people like you called progressives who sterilized people for perceived and imaginary flaws for multiple decades in multiple nations under the guidance of "experts" later found to be wrong.
It's called eugenics, look it up.
Also, "gender identity disorder" was removed from the DSM-5. It's not a "thing" anymore according to the experts.
Also, if you're going to accuse someone of logical fallacies I'd suggest learning how to apply them. An ad hominem is when you argue against the person instead of what they said, I didn't do that. I never said he was wrong because he hates LGBT, in fact I gladly admitted when he was correct about something and I was wrong. I said that his worldview was informed by his religious ideology and discussion was pointless.
An argument from authority is when you appeal to someone influential who doesn't have expertise. An example would be if someone said vaccines cause autism because the pope said so. The pope, although and expert in his field, is not an immunologist nor a medical doctor so his views on the subject are worthless. I didn't do this either. (I don't know what the pope's actual views are on the subject, I just made this up for the sake of an example.)
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We can all make claims about ourselves. Whatever claim we make is meaningless when faced with reality.
And you certainly wouldn't believe every claim someone makes. I don't believe that for a second.
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Why not? Its the claim they make so you are saying g whatever claim they make isn't relevant?
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Let's please stop the conversation about gays. This isn't a gay thread. It's a thread about the law and treatment of transgender children.
Let me ask one sime question. How many kids that enter a transgender clinic are turned away because they do t have dysphoria? How many are diagnosed and the treatment is covered?Maybe they don't often, most insurance companies will not pay for it unless it is a part of the treatment of things like,
Many health plans are still using exclusions such as “services related to sex change” or “sex reassignment surgery” to deny coverage to transgender people for certain health care services. Coverage varies by state.
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It really depends on your individual coverage what is or is not payed for. There is no "every person who believes they are transgender get services paid for." It seems that insurance companies either treat or exclude treatment for these diagnoses “gender change,” “transsexualism,” “gender identity disorder,” and “gender identity dysphoria.”
Whether or not it is covered, the medical treatment one is seeking for their, I guess YOU would call "gender preference." is based on the treatment of the disorders quoted above.
Otherwise, if it's not a medical disorder, why would they even seek medical attention? Elective plastic surgery requires no diagnosis but then insurance usually doesn't pay for that. In terms of the payment for medical bills, both doctors and insurance companies need to make clear exactly what is being treated. In order to determine what they are treating, they need to make a diagnosis. "I want to be a girl" is not listed as a malady unless it is decided that they are afflicted with one of the accepted diagnoses of the illness. I mean just for a doctor to make a treatment plan (whatever that includes) they must diagnose what they are treating. Why does that not compute?
Right, so if not a gender disorder (which has more names than gender dysphoria, it's just the go to for this malady for many doctors) what would the doctor be treating? All my life, I have been under the impression that the life's work of a medical doctor was to treat medical disorders. Did that change with Obamacare, or in your worldview gender disorders are a myth?
Instead, why don't I tell you where YOU drop the ball.......Indicating that all transgender treatment (which is a loaded phrase because it doesn't differentiate whether someone is being treated FOR "transgender" or if they are a transgender seeking medical treatment for something else. So your vocabulary does not match up with medical terminology. The notion that "transgender" is a personal preference and not a medical disorder. The fact that you think "everybody's" insurance treats "transgender". Especially when there are insurance plans that only cover the E/R. not to mention the vast differences in everyone's individual heath insurance coverage government or private.
I think where you get confused about the "Obamacare" thing is because of this:
"If you believe a plan unlawfully discriminates, you can file complaints of discrimination with your state’s Department of Insurance, or report the issue to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services by email.
So they can't refuse transgender people's treatment but it doesn't require that doctor's treat a medical condition that they don't have.
The last thing you are confused about is the term "transgender." in general. That term doesn't describe how a person feels, it describes someone who was born one gender and lives as another (with or without surgery). So one doesn't HAVE transgender, that ARE a transgender person.
Does that clear it up for you? Hope you are having a relaxing Sunday!
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So I should decide if you feel faith or not? Or is that something only you can make educated statements about?
You are correct. I would not believe outlandish statements. I see nothing outlandish about Trans claims.
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Because unless you are a clinician or a close personal confidant of the individual it is none of your business. In neutral workplace or social situations, gender the person the way they wish to be gendered. You're not breaching any fundamental metaphysical categories of "man" or "woman." just being polite.
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The specific number of people turned away and treated I do not know. Statistics like that are difficult to nail down due to patient/doctor confidentiality. There may be a way to search for relevant information via the individual insurance that do or do not provide coverage for these conditions. Doctors are not compelled to share this data with the government (again, confidentiality) so the statistical information concerning who is and isn't treated, what for, and how is purely voluntary and there is no way to accurately scrutinize the data.
If there is a medical database that includes all patients' treatment and coverage (or lack thereof), I am not aware of it and making that information available to the public without consent would be unconstitutional (privacy). If there IS a way to ACCURATELY discern that information, I am not aware of it. It is individual to each diagnosis, treatment plan, and insurance coverage so I doubt a database with that information is available to the public.
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