SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[rjs330]

How do you know? How do you even know that men and women have different feelings?

Do you know? I noticed you didn't answer my queation about that. You just keep.on ducking and dodging. Why is that? Do you know if they have different feelings?

You that's the claim right. They feel.like the opposite sex. Why are you asking the question? Are you not taking g rhe transgendered persons word for it?

 

[rjs330]

You mean they differ in other ways besides having different reproductive organs? And you can tell? Wow.

You didn't know.men and women are different besides their gonads? Let me help you.

How men's and women's brains are different

The cognitive differences between men and women

stanmed.stanford.edu

The Genetics of Sex Differences in Brain and Behavior

Men vs. Women: Our Key Physical Differences Explained

That should be a start.

 

[rjs330]

What about other cultures where different traits and preferences are associated with biological sex? Is the entire culture wrong?

Are you talking about gender roles and behaviors here?

What is being claimed is that a man can become a person with traits and behaviors we usually associate with women but still have the reproductive biology of a man. That person may wish to function socially as a woman rather than a man. He is not claiming to be a woman according to your definition. That is just a rhetorical trick you employ because you are not arguing honestly.

4hats completely false. They are claiming to be the opposite sex. That's why they seek to alter their bodies. That's why they want to have acceess to opposite sex spaces, sports etc. That's why they want you to use the opposite sex pronouns, that's why they say men can breast feed and have babies or menstruate. Those things are solely relegated.to.biological women. Yet they want to say men can do those things.

It seems to.me you have a deep misunderstanding of the claims.

Secondly behaviors are individual. There is no ideal man or woman. That you are only a man if you do certain things or a woman if you do certain things or like certain things. Sex is not performative. I think we've talked about this before. I'm going to start calling you out on this stuff. You act like you've never heard this before. I know good and well that you have.

 

[rjs330]

Irrelevant. Men and women are not social constructs.

Absolutely. Each culture is fully entitled to set their own gender roles. If a society co structure that all women should ne the ones to clean their homes. Then that's just fine. If a society decides it's the man's role to clean the house that's fine to. A role is a construct. What you are is not.

 

[rjs330]

What are you trying to accomplish by your exchanges in this thread? I'm just curious.

Good question. You see we as a society can construct things around gender. But they are not hard and fast rules. Dad's can teach their little girls.to hunt and fish. That's okay. That doesn't mean she's a boy and needs have puberty blockers and hormones. Mother's can teach their boys how to.clean the house and that doesn't mean he's a girl and needs puberty blockers or hormones. Young boys can play with dolls. I think I had one when I was a boy. Girls can play with trucks. My little sister used to.love to.play football. But neither of those things is meant we should be getting opposite sex hormones as a.kid.

He is propagating a serious misconception and he knows it because we've had rhe discussions before.

 

[rjs330]

They have a medical condition called androgen insensitivity syndrome which, in a nutshell, means that they are incapable of responding to male hormones. No amount of testosterone injections will have any effect whatsoever. Many grow into adulthood unaware they are biological males. They have female anatomy and often the only treatment is hormone therapy to preserve good bone density and removal of the non-functioning gonads to prevent cancer.

Thanks for sharing that. You see we all believe that there are abnormal medical conditions. Some humans are born without arms or legs. Others are born with heart conditions. There are those born as hermaphrodite. There are kids born with mental health disorders like anxiety, depression, schizophrenia etc. But we all recognize those as physical or mental health disorders that need help. Recognizing that doesn't make anyone a bigot. I'm not sure how you can claim that people are bigots because they recognize someone's disorder and they recognize the person needs help.

Your example is one of a physical condition, a physical disorder. Are you using that example to say that being transgendered is a physical disorder, a mental disorder or both or neither?

Just trying to understand the particularities on this.

 

[rjs330]

Studies have repeatedly born out that those who have bigoted views are markedly less intelligent and do not have the cognitive ability to process ambiguity or grey areas. This is true of any bigot regardless of if they are religious or not, or if they are rightwing/leftwing. Because of this they tend to latch onto "systems", religion, politics, whatever... because it gives them a very easy binary guide to make decisions by. They are also useful tools for thugs, bullies and psychopaths to use as a bludgeon against others. They're also huge fans of in-groups/out-groups because it gives them clear, easy targets.

It's a good thing then that no one here is bigoted.

 

[Foamhead]

I don't even know what your point is anymore. And I responded with the evidence you demanded. So why don't you respond to my questions?

Because I work for a living, and in addition I actually take the time to look things up before answering. Just because someone doesn't address something you said right away doesn't mean they are ignoring you.

So the reason I was dismissive of the claim is because when I was younger it would not have even entered someone's head to perform a mastectomy on a young teenager. I'm obviously getting too old because my jaw almost hit the floor when I read in medical journals that such procedures had been done.

I'm not a doctor or gender therapist so I am uncomfortable inserting myself in someone else's medical care, but personally I think it's medical malpractice and shouldn't be legal.

Otherwise, unless they were buried in all the anti-trans rhetoric, I didn't see you ask me any questions.

It's a good thing then that no one here is bigoted.

I'm not going to be baited into violating ToS by you. Suffice it to say very few people, even the worst neo-nazi's and klansmen, think of themselves as bigots. It doesn't mean they aren't it just means they lack self awareness.

 

[BCP1928]

Do you know? I noticed you didn't answer my queation about that. You just keep.on ducking and dodging. Why is that? Do you know if they have different feelings?

You that's the claim right. They feel.like the opposite sex. Why are you asking the question? Are you not taking g rhe transgendered persons word for it?

I will repeat my answer here so you can respond to it directly instead of pretending to ignore it:

Since feelings play a role in shaping our overt behaviors and personal expressions, it is possible to see why some people who spontaneously exhibit the overt behaviors and personal expressions commonly associated with the opposite sex might suppose that they possessed the feelings of the opposite sex as well.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Absolutely. Each culture is fully entitled to set their own gender roles. If a society co structure that all women should ne the ones to clean their homes. Then that's just fine. If a society decides it's the man's role to clean the house that's fine to. A role is a construct. What you are is not.

They want to blur the lines between sex and gender roles to push an evil ideology.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Good question. You see we as a society can construct things around gender. But they are not hard and fast rules. Dad's can teach their little girls.to hunt and fish. That's okay. That doesn't mean she's a boy and needs have puberty blockers and hormones. Mother's can teach their boys how to.clean the house and that doesn't mean he's a girl and needs puberty blockers or hormones. Young boys can play with dolls. I think I had one when I was a boy. Girls can play with trucks. My little sister used to.love to.play football. But neither of those things is meant we should be getting opposite sex hormones as a.kid.

He is propagating a serious misconception and he knows it because we've had rhe discussions before.

I watched My Little Pony growing up and even had the little pony dolls.

It didn't make me a girl.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Because I work for a living, and in addition I actually take the time to look things up before answering. Just because someone doesn't address something you said right away doesn't mean they are ignoring you.

So the reason I was dismissive of the claim is because when I was younger it would not have even entered someone's head to perform a mastectomy on a young teenager. I'm obviously getting too old because my jaw almost hit the floor when I read in medical journals that such procedures had been done.

I'm not a doctor or gender therapist so I am uncomfortable inserting myself in someone else's medical care, but personally I think it's medical malpractice and shouldn't be legal.

Otherwise, unless they were buried in all the anti-trans rhetoric, I didn't see you ask me any questions.


I'm not going to be baited into violating ToS by you. Suffice it to say very few people, even the worst neo-nazi's and klansmen, think of themselves as bigots. It doesn't mean they aren't it just means they lack self awareness.

I'm glad that you are now aware of the situation.

Do you think that people who speak the truth about sex and want to defend children from this ideological nonsense are akin to neo-Nazis and Klansmen?

 

[Zaha Torte]

I will repeat my answer here so you can respond to it directly instead of pretending to ignore it:

Since feelings play a role in shaping our overt behaviors and personal expressions, it is possible to see why some people who spontaneously exhibit the overt behaviors and personal expressions commonly associated with the opposite sex might suppose that they possessed the feelings of the opposite sex as well.

You keep using that term "spontaneously" - and it just doesn't apply.

All of our behaviors - besides the crying, eating, [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing and pooping - are learned.

We don't spawn from pits in the Earth. We observe others while we grow.

 

[BCP1928]

I watched My Little Pony growing up and even had the little pony dolls.

It didn't make me a girl.

And nobody expected that it would--except perhaps for a conservative who might be suspicious that a minor gender nonconformity like that was a symptom of something more sinister.

 

[Zaha Torte]

And nobody expected that it would--except perhaps for a conservative who might be suspicious that a minor gender nonconformity like that was a symptom of something more sinister.

You mean besides my deeply conservative and religious parents who bought me the show on VHS and the toys?

How was that "gender nonconformity"?

You realize that it was the progressives who came up with terms like that and then started labelling people with them?

In my day it was just called being a kid.

 

[BCP1928]

You keep using that term "spontaneously" - and it just doesn't apply.

By "spontaneously" I mean without lying, being crazy or being a pervert. In other words, without a separate agenda.

 

[Zaha Torte]

By "spontaneously" I mean without lying, being crazy or being a pervert. In other words, without a separate agenda.

Those are the only three options though.

You realize that people can be doing those things without even realizing that they are doing it?

This is why we have to point out when behavior is inappropriate - so they can realize for themselves.

 

[BCP1928]

You mean besides my deeply conservative and religious parents who bought me the show on VHS and the toys?

How was that "gender nonconformity"?

You realize that it was the progressives who came up with terms like that and then started labelling people with them?

In my day it was just called being a kid.

In my day it was called being a "sissy" by adults and if the least you got from your contemporaries was a wedgie or two you could consider yourself lucky.

 

[Zaha Torte]

In my day it was called being a "sissy" by adults and if the least you got from your contemporaries was a wedgie or two you could consider yourself lucky.

Everyone got picked on for something. That's just being a kid.

 

[BCP1928]

Those are the only three options though.

You realize that people can be doing those things without even realizing that they are doing it?

This is why we have to point out when behavior is inappropriate - so they can realize for themselves.

Who is to say what is appropriate? There are many who would think that a boy being a My Little Pony Fan was highly inappropriate.