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What do you think to the story of Jonah or the talking donkey ?
The same. The point of these stories is what matters, not if it literally happened or not.

Do you think the whole book of Jonah was dictated supernaturally word for word? Or how do you think such text came to be?
 
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What do you think to the story of Jonah or the talking donkey ?
Some main points of the book I find interesting:

...There is a noticeable universalist tendency against Jewish intolerance, which misinterprets the teaching about the election of God's people.

...The purpose of the book is apparently religious and educational [3,10; 4.1 Him]. In the first part, God's omnipotence is shown, which can force a person to do His will. You will not escape God's sight either by suicide or in the underworld under the seabed! In the second part, God's is depicted the benevolence which forgives the repentant sinner, even if he were a heathen. It is therefore not surprising that the book was read on the great day of atonement every year.

The Jews saw it not only as a message about God's willingness to forgive, but also a symbol of their nation: Jonah is a representative of a nation that was sent by God into the world to prophesy to the Gentiles. When Israel did not fulfill his task, he was swallowed up by Babylon, not to be destroyed, but to give him an opportunity to repent [see Jer 51,34,44!]

In late Judaism, legends accumulated around J. For example, J. was considered the resurrected son of the widow of Sarepta, and J.'s reluctance to go to the Gentiles is interpreted in such a way that he wanted to prevent God from punishing the unrepentant Israel after He would see the repentance of even Gentiles.

The book of J. is the only writing of the OT, which explicitly encourages a mission among the Gentiles. But this is based on the assumption that Nineveh really refers to a pagan region. According to some interpreters, it is rather a cover name for Jerusalem.
(Biblický slovník, Adolf Novotný)
 
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Some main points of the book I find interesting:

...There is a noticeable universalist tendency against Jewish intolerance, which misinterprets the teaching about the election of God's people.

...The purpose of the book is apparently religious and educational [3,10; 4.1 Him]. In the first part, God's omnipotence is shown, which can force a person to do His will. You will not escape God's sight either by suicide or in the underworld under the seabed! In the second part, God's is depicted the benevolence which forgives the repentant sinner, even if he were a heathen. It is therefore not surprising that the book was read on the great day of atonement every year.

The Jews saw it not only as a message about God's willingness to forgive, but also a symbol of their nation: Jonah is a representative of a nation that was sent by God into the world to prophesy to the Gentiles. When Israel did not fulfill his task, he was swallowed up by Babylon, not to be destroyed, but to give him an opportunity to repent [see Jer 51,34,44!]

In late Judaism, legends accumulated around J. For example, J. was considered the resurrected son of the widow of Sarepta, and J.'s reluctance to go to the Gentiles is interpreted in such a way that he wanted to prevent God from punishing the unrepentant Israel after He would see the repentance of even Gentiles.

The book of J. is the only writing of the OT, which explicitly encourages a mission among the Gentiles. But this is based on the assumption that Nineveh really refers to a pagan region. According to some interpreters, it is rather a cover name for Jerusalem.
(Biblický slovník, Adolf Novotný)

Thank you trophy, this was so interesting to read. So Nineveh is really Jerusalem ??
 
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The Bible was not written to explain creation, it was written to proclaim the God who created.
Hasn't anyone told you it's not a science textbook?
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The Bible gives a description of what God created and what God wants us to know about His creation.
 
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A fine example of doubt being fostered in the human mind about God's word, now satan is using other serpents to bring doubt. Notice satan was more cunning, kind of reminds me of science, as they are know as the smart ones.

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”
Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
 
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The Bible gives a description of what God created and what God wants us to know about His creation.
The Bible tells us that God created. It doesn't say what shape the earth is.
You said the Bible tells us you what God wants us to know about creation - he doesn't tell us that the earth is flat. It's not a Biblical teaching; end of.
 
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The Bible gives a description of what God created and what God wants us to know about His creation.
Which chapter and verse says that?
 
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The Bible tells us that God created. It doesn't say what shape the earth is.
You said the Bible tells us you what God wants us to know about creation - he doesn't tell us that the earth is flat. It's not a Biblical teaching; end of.

But God does tell us that he set two great lights & all the stars in the firmament.
 
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Biblical christian science believers, should at least be like Mr Seely. Who admits, even thought he does not actually believe this himself. That the earth described in The Bible as being God's creation is a flat and stationary earth.

At least he is honest and does admit that a flat and stationary is what The Bible describes as God's creation, but he just does not believe this.

As he opens his article with this paragraph.
When a biblical text is interpreted outside of its historical context, it is often unconsciously interpreted in terms of the reader's own culture, time and beliefs. This has happened more than once to Genesis 1: To avoid distorting Genesis 1 in this way, the serious exegete will insist upon placing this chapter within its own historical context. When we do this, the meaning of "earth" and "seas" in Gen 1:10 is found to be quite different from the modern western notions.

https://www.terre-plate.org/library/Book Collection/Seely_EarthSeas_WTJ.pdf
 
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Biblical christian science believers, should at least be like Mr Seely. Who admits, even thought he does not actually believe this himself. That the earth described in The Bible as being God's creation is a flat and stationary earth.

At least he is honest and does admit that a flat and stationary is what The Bible describes as God's creation, but he just does not believe this.

As he opens his article with this paragraph.
When a biblical text is interpreted outside of its historical context, it is often unconsciously interpreted in terms of the reader's own culture, time and beliefs. This has happened more than once to Genesis 1: To avoid distorting Genesis 1 in this way, the serious exegete will insist upon placing this chapter within its own historical context. When we do this, the meaning of "earth" and "seas" in Gen 1:10 is found to be quite different from the modern western notions.

https://www.terre-plate.org/library/Book Collection/Seely_EarthSeas_WTJ.pdf
We agree that Genesis 1 describes creation in terms of ancient Middle Eastern cosmology. That has been our argument all along.
 
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Biblical christian science believers, should at least be like Mr Seely. Who admits, even thought he does not actually believe this himself. That the earth described in The Bible as being God's creation is a flat and stationary earth.

At least he is honest...

Read Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat, the "P.S.".

Most Bible Dictionaries will tell you that Bible works with the Mesopotamian (mostly Babylonian) concept of the universe, so its no rare view or even a secret. Its a mainstream view.

The Old Testament uses many ancient Mesopotamian concepts, because, well, its from ancient Mesopotamia.

As the Old Testament refers to chaotic preexisting waters, to thinking in kidneys, to sea monster Leviathan, to giants, to Flood, so it also refers to a stationary "flat" Earth with a solid dome. Do you wish me to post the Bible dictionary section about this ancient concept, again? I may even find a picture.
 
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But God does tell us that he set two great lights & all the stars in the firmament.
God does not tell us that. The author of Genesis tells us that. Genesis was not dictated by God.

You may notice Genesis 1 is written in the third person "God did xyz", not in the first person, so its not a dictation. Its a story written by a human narrator in the bronze age.
 
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Does anyone understand the black sun theory & the underworld?​



I know there is an underworld as Jesus went there.

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For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 
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But God does tell us that he set two great lights & all the stars in the firmament.
Which has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.
Flat earth belief - not Biblical.
 
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They say that the moon reflects a map of the earth +.

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And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 
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Does anyone understand the black sun theory & the underworld​

Only that someone pulled the theory out from where the sun don't shine.
 
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No - But it has every thing to do with the earth supposedly orbiting the sun.
Not at all.
The sun was created to give light, which it does. The sun also gives warmth and sustains life.
The sun is at the centre of the physical universe-the SON should be at the centre of our lives. The SON is the light of the world and gives life to all.
As Christians, our lives revolve around the SON not the other way around. We were created by God and in his image; we were never meant to do it our way and be at the centre of our own lives.
 
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