How Old Is The Earth

[Platte]

1,000 years is not only Bible, it is Moses himself. Also God told Adam on the DAY you eat of the forbidden fruit

Where does the Bible say “on” the day you eat of the forbidden fruit?

you will day. WE know Adam lived to be 930 years old. This makes a "day" 1,000 year.

930 years is not 1000 years

Psalm 90:4 "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by"

2 Peter 3:8
Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

Saying something is “like” something is not the same as saying something “is” something. To show the patience of God by stating 1000 years is like a day is not saying 1000 years is a day

The Bible is very clear about a day being 1,000 years. A day can be 24 hours or it can be an age or era.

Notice Genesis 2:4 and 2:17 day is the exact same spelling.

Genesis 2:4
HEB: וְהָאָ֖רֶץ בְּהִבָּֽרְאָ֑ם בְּי֗וֹם עֲשׂ֛וֹת יְהוָ֥ה
NAS: when they were created, in the day that the LORD
KJV: when they were created, in the day that the LORD
INT: and the earth were created the day made the LORD

Genesis 2:17
HEB: מִמֶּ֑נּוּ כִּ֗י בְּי֛וֹם אֲכָלְךָ֥ מִמֶּ֖נּוּ
NAS: you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat
KJV: thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest
INT: at in the day you eat at

Smh

 

[Diamond72]

tell me how the universe could have been created 6000 years ago despite what science it telling you? Why was the universe created?

Adam and Eve and Civilization were created 6,000 years ago. All of the Bible except for Genesis chapter one is a history of the last 6,000 years. The new testament starts off with a genealogy from Adam to Christ. (6,000 years ago)

"Universe" is not in the Bible. So I assume you are referring to The first five words in the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". In the beginning, on day one God created the Heavens and the earth. Science tells us that we are star dust. Our elements were created in the furnace of a star.

Our bodies are made up of various elements. Here are the key ones:

1. Oxygen (O): Makes up most of our body.
2. Carbon ©: Forms the basis of organic molecules.
3. Hydrogen (H): Essential for water and other compounds.
4. Nitrogen (N): Crucial for proteins and DNA.
5. Calcium (Ca): Important for bones and muscles.
6. Phosphorus (P): Also found in bones.
7. Potassium (K), Sodium (Na), and Chlorine (Cl): Help with nerve function and fluid balance.
8. Magnesium (Mg) and Sulfur (S): Play roles in metabolism and protein structure.

These elements combine to create the amazing complexity of our bodies!

1. Stars and Nuclear Reactions:
   • Stars create heavier elements through nuclear reactions.
   • Elements like carbon, oxygen, and iron are made inside stars.
2. Supernovae:
   • When massive stars explode (called supernovae), they release elements into space.
   • These elements eventually form planets, including Earth.

 

[Diamond72]

It’s too bad that we didn’t go to Bible college and as a result are stuck with our “5th grader” understanding of science.

Jesus said you have to be as a child. But He was talking about a mature child. We are building a new school system here where they will start High School in the 7th grade. This means they can start to take college classes in the 7th grade and they can graduate from high school with a college degree. My son took classes from four different colleges in high school. He had friends that were getting $90,000 scholarships to the best colleges in the state. In High School he was allowed $30,000 for college classes per year. He got a free ride and graduated with a degree in computer engineering and he was debt free. At the college here they only graduated half the class in engineering. The other half they flunk out on a grade curve. My other son has a degree in electronic engineering.

This is not a game. Jesus was making a serious statement: "3“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." My brother wrote a preschool readiness test for his PhD in child psychology. My dad used that test for his patients to determine if they were ready for school or not. So maybe the way I discuss the issue may seem a little unusual for people that do not have the back ground I have.

 

[Diamond72]

Where does the Bible say “on” the day you eat of the forbidden fruit?

ok, first lets look at the exact word in Genesis 2:4 "This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"
בְּי֗וֹם
bə-yō-wm,

Now lets look at verse 2:17. Not only the same word in the same book, but also the same chapter.
בְּי֗וֹם
bə-yō-wm,

16And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.garden, 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

Genesis 5:5 So Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

It was AFTER Noah's flood that life was made shorter. Genesis 6:3 "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."

This is a different word for days, but the point is that their life was limited from 1000 years to 120 years.

יָמָ֔יו yā-māw,

A normal life is 70 or 80 years. Then there are 5 or 6 scriptures where we add years. Both my grandmother and my pastor lived to be 100. We had two women in the church that lived to be 100. I am 72 and I have seen a lot of my friends die in the last few years. My dad lived to be around 86. He could have lived longer if my brother did not force him to retire.

If we find the remains of a person before Adam they are always said to be 30 years of age in the "prime" of life. We do not know how old they were because they do not age. Turtles can live to be 300 years. They are actually from the era of dinosaurs when the animals got very big because they continue to grow and do not stop growing.

João Pedro de Magalhães, a professor of molecular biogerontology at the Institute of Inflammation and Ageing at the University of Birmingham in England, thinks humans could live for 1,000 years. He has scrutinized the genomes of very long-lived animals such as the bowhead whale (which can reach 200 years) and the naked mole rat1.

 

[Diamond72]

stating 1000 years is like a day is not saying 1000 years is a day

In dispensational theology, the idea that “a day is like a thousand years” comes from 2 Peter 3:8. This verse suggests that God is outside of time, so for Him, there’s no difference between a day and a thousand years. It’s not meant to be taken literally; rather, it emphasizes God’s eternal perspective. In dispensationalism, this verse is sometimes used to discuss the timing of end-times events, but it’s not about literal days.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Bible does not say that. In genesis chapter one we have a dispute with the meaning or definition of the word day. One group saying a day is a literal 24 hours. Then we have others that say a day is an age or era. This is based on the fact that there are very few Hebrew words and they often have multiple meaning. But all of the dispute has to do with ONE WORD.

Wrong because there are several variations of the word Yovm. Anyone who actually went to Bible college knows this. This is another one of those speeches where you just make a claim about the definition of a word and don’t provide any evidence to support it just like you did with the Hebrew word translated to man in Genesis 1:26. You made up the definition that it only refers to man without a soul and when I proved you wrong there by showing you that the same exact Hebrew word with the same exact spelling is used in 1 Chronicles 1:1 you still refused to admit you were wrong. Look it’s really simple just prove me wrong just like I proved you wrong by showing us an example of Yovm being used in reference to an age or an era. But it must be Yovm in the verse not Beyovm, Yamim, Yamei, or any of the other variants, it needs to be the same version on the word used in Genesis 1 which is Yovm. Do that and you’ll have proved your point.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is the same with Noah, all of the dispute has to do with the word earth. We know that Noah and his family need food to eat. We need plants and animals and that is what Noah saved. All of the Bible talks about the animals and the plants that Noah saved on the ark. If it is in the Bible then it was on Noah's ark. What is not in the Bible was not on the ark.

The Bible is extremely clear that the water covered all the mountains on the entire face of the earth and that ONLY 8 people were saved on the ark. It’s indisputable

 

[BNR32FAN]

Adam and Eve and Civilization were created 6,000 years ago. All of the Bible except for Genesis chapter one is a history of the last 6,000 years. The new testament starts off with a genealogy from Adam to Christ. (6,000 years ago)

No it does not. The New Testament gives the genealogies from Abraham to Jesus.

Edit: ok I completely forgot about the genealogies in Luke and I didn’t want to delete this post because it might be taken as if I were trying to hide my mistake so I want to clarify that I was wrong and Diamond7 was correct and I apologize for this mistake.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Adam and Eve and Civilization were created 6,000 years ago. All of the Bible except for Genesis chapter one is a history of the last 6,000 years. The new testament starts off with a genealogy from Adam to Christ. (6,000 years ago)

"Universe" is not in the Bible. So I assume you are referring to The first five words in the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". In the beginning, on day one God created the Heavens and the earth. Science tells us that we are star dust. Our elements were created in the furnace of a star.

Our bodies are made up of various elements. Here are the key ones:

1. Oxygen (O): Makes up most of our body.
2. Carbon ©: Forms the basis of organic molecules.
3. Hydrogen (H): Essential for water and other compounds.
4. Nitrogen (N): Crucial for proteins and DNA.
5. Calcium (Ca): Important for bones and muscles.
6. Phosphorus (P): Also found in bones.
7. Potassium (K), Sodium (Na), and Chlorine (Cl): Help with nerve function and fluid balance.
8. Magnesium (Mg) and Sulfur (S): Play roles in metabolism and protein structure.

These elements combine to create the amazing complexity of our bodies!

1. Stars and Nuclear Reactions:
   • Stars create heavier elements through nuclear reactions.
   • Elements like carbon, oxygen, and iron are made inside stars.
2. Supernovae:
   • When massive stars explode (called supernovae), they release elements into space.
   • These elements eventually form planets, including Earth.

There’s a problem with this because you already said that both the man in Genesis 1:26 was born and Adam was born. Have you changed your mind about this?

 

[Diamond72]

There’s a problem with this because you already said that both the man in Genesis 1:26 was born and Adam was born. Have you changed your mind about this?

In the Bible, the story of Adam in the Garden of Eden portrays a unique creation. According to Genesis 2:7, God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed life into him, making him a living soul. The name “Adam” itself reflects this origin, as it is derived from the Hebrew word “adama,” which means "earth"1. Therefore, Adam was created from the soil, emphasizing his connection to the earth.

However, in the context of scientific understanding, all humans share a common ancestry. Genetic research indicates that we are all related through a distant male ancestor known as the Y-chromosomal most recent common ancestor (Y-MRCA) or Y-chromosomal Adam. Y-MRCA represents the male from whom all living humans trace their ancestry through an unbroken line of male descendants. While this scientific concept doesn’t directly align with the biblical account of Adam’s creation, it highlights our shared genetic heritage as a species2.

In summary, the biblical Adam and the scientific concept of Y-chromosomal Adam represent different perspectives—one rooted in religious tradition and the other in genetic research. Both underscore the interconnectedness of humanity.

 

[KevinT]

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t saying the entire Bible is what God said. I was saying we do have words that are direct from God. Such as
”And God spake all these words, saying,“
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬
….
”For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.“
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Creation occuring in 6 days are words directly from God is what i was saying

Thank you for clarifying this. I am glad to hear that we agree that not everything in the Bible is a "Thus sayeth the Lord".

There is still room for interpretation. When I read Deuteronomy, it seems like all the commands are coming from God. But when Jesus debated about divorce with the Pharisee's and they asked why regulations were given for divorces, Jesus specifies that this command (Deut 24) came from Moses--as opposed to coming from God. I interpret this to mean that God filled Moses with wisdom and the Holy Spirit and then delegated authority to him to guide and rule His people. God gave the principles, and Moses worked out the individual details. Moses was working with imperfect people and had to come up with an imperfect solution. But at the end of the day, the regulations for divorce were of human origin. Likewise, it is possible that other regulations, for example pertaining to slaves, also were of human origin. So if I use the old testament to justify enslaving a fellow human, it would be wrong. And thus even things that seem to be a "Thus sayeth the Lord" have to be interpreted in this light.

This conversation has been going on a long time, and many people have said many things. I am not one who is denying that God made (I believe terraformed would be a better term) the earth in 6 literal days. I don't believe the Bible mandates that the entire universe was made during the creation week. But I see no reason to think that an advanced alien technology (thinking in Sci-Fi terms) could terraform a planet very rapidly. And likewise God could also.

My original contribution to this discussion was the idea of [old universe], [old earth creation], [recent sin/rebellion] as a to align the Bible with the physical evidence around us of an earth that is older than 6,000 yrs.

Best wishes.

 

[KevinT]

Jesus said you have to be as a child. But He was talking about a mature child. We are building a new school system here where they will start High School in the 7th grade. This means they can start to take college classes in the 7th grade and they can graduate from high school with a college degree. My son took classes from four different colleges in high school. He had friends that were getting $90,000 scholarships to the best colleges in the state. In High School he was allowed $30,000 for college classes per year. He got a free ride and graduated with a degree in computer engineering and he was debt free. At the college here they only graduated half the class in engineering. The other half they flunk out on a grade curve. My other son has a degree in electronic engineering.

This is not a game. Jesus was making a serious statement: "3“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." My brother wrote a preschool readiness test for his PhD in child psychology. My dad used that test for his patients to determine if they were ready for school or not. So maybe the way I discuss the issue may seem a little unusual for people that do not have the back ground I have.

Congrats on your children. Sounds like they have done well. I'm happy for you.

KT

 

[KevinT]

The Bible is extremely clear that the water covered all the mountains on the entire face of the earth and that ONLY 8 people were saved on the ark. It’s indisputable

Just a point of caution here. If you calculate the height of the highest mountain, and determine how much water would be needed to fill up the surface of the earth to that level, there is not enough water on earth to meet that requirement. But there are still ways for water to cover the tops of the mountains. We now know about plate tectonics and how mountains can be raised up as one plate dives under another. So it is very possible that mountains that we have now were not present at the time of the flood, or that they were created during the process of the flood.

Another consideration would be waves. It is believed that an asteroid struck the earth creating the Chicxulub crater in Mexico. This would have made a very large wave that spread out over the surface of the earth. I don't know if that is what created the flood described in the Bible or not, but it is a way that we could have water at the mountain tops, even if only as the wave was passing by.

Best wishes,
Kevin

 

[KevinT]

No it does not. The New Testament gives the genealogies from Abraham to Jesus.

I'm confused. Luke gives the genealogy from Jesus all the way to Adam (Luke 3:23), not stopping at Abraham. Am I missing your point?

Best wishes,
KT

 

[KevinT]

In dispensational theology, the idea that “a day is like a thousand years” comes from 2 Peter 3:8. This verse suggests that God is outside of time, so for Him, there’s no difference between a day and a thousand years. It’s not meant to be taken literally; rather, it emphasizes God’s eternal perspective. In dispensationalism, this verse is sometimes used to discuss the timing of end-times events, but it’s not about literal days.

I am not very familiar with dispensationalism, so I just went and read about it on Wikipedia (Dispensationalism - Wikipedia I had to skim parts). It seems that quite a few people have put a lot of thought into this theory, and I can respect it for what it brings to the table. There are parts that I agree with and parts that I disagree with. That is to be expected.

But it seems to me that a key part of this belief for you is the day-age aspect (1 day = 1,000 yrs). I didn't really see anything about this aspect in the Wikipedia article. Am I missing something?

It seems to me that just because we can say that with the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, doesn't mean that EVERY day mentioned in the Bible refers to a 1,000 yrs. And I don't think you would say that either. So then it becomes a matter of interpretation to determine WHICH DAYS should be considered so.

Best wishes,

Kevin

 

[Diamond72]

The Bible is extremely clear that the water covered all the mountains on the entire face of the earth and that ONLY 8 people were saved on the ark. It’s indisputable

King James says hills not mountains.

Genesis 7 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

The biblical account states that eight people—Noah, his wife, their three sons (Shem, Ham, and Japheth), and their wives—were saved on the ark during the Great Flood.

There is overwelming evidence to show that Noah's flood was local from our perspective. Chedder man for example goes back 10,000 years. He still has living descendants today.

1. Cheddar Man and His Descendants:
   • Cheddar Man is the name given to the remains of a prehistoric man found in Gough’s Cave in Cheddar Gorge, Somerset, England. He lived approximately 9,000 years ago during the Mesolithic period.
   • Interestingly, DNA analysis revealed that Cheddar Man has a living descendant who still resides in the same area where Cheddar Man was unearthed 2.
   • This finding highlights the continuity of human lineage over thousands of years and provides insight into localized populations.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

Answering the OP question: From Genesis we see that life on the earth had been flooded out, no one knows how long that lasted, but the Bible calls it "the world that then was". Chapters 1-2(ish) is the description of a second renewal.

We are living on the renewed earth, at the last of the last days of the church age. From Peter's time to ours it's been two thousand years. So what he said that a day (1) is as a thousand years (1k) and a thousand years (2k) is as a day (2) is literally true. Peter was speaking according to God's slowness in waiting for the precious fruit of the earth.

We are the generation to see the budding of the fig tree (the Jews returned to Israel- 1948), so we shall also see many prophecies of the OT be fulfilled. The end of the church age goes into the 7 years of the Tribulation then 1000 years of the Messiah, then a third renewal of the earth.

 

[Diamond72]

Congrats on your children. Sounds like they have done well. I'm happy for you.

I have a niece that works for NASA in Texas and she has a PhD in chemistry. Actually my mom got an A in chemistry. So my brother seems to be the winner at this point.

 

[Diamond72]

The end of the church age goes into the 7 years of the Tribulation then 1000 years of the Messiah, then a third renewal of the earth.

For me Pentecost was in the year 29. So I believe that 2029 will be the 2,000 year anniversary of the church. We should buy a cake.

Neil DeGrasse has something to say about this day in 2029 and 2036

 

[SMTA]

Why is it, it can't be millions of years old surley ???

Yes it surely can.