A Republican ideal, work until you die

[BCP1928]

If it’s so great why didn’t you move? It’s your choice

If it's so great here why did you have to take two jobs? Who told you it was better to have to take two jobs than to have one that could support you? Is having only one job a privilege you have to earn? Who do you have to earn it from?

 

[BPPLEE]

That's already happened. A lot of stuff sold in poorer areas is still fairly cheap relative to more affluent areas - or more precisely, the products themselves are priced similarly between the two areas, but the poor area only has access to cheap products, while the affluent area has access to expensive luxury goods on top of that.

But prices won't drop below a certain level, because it still costs money to produce goods (typically outside the region) and if consumers can't support the business, the business will just close rather than dropping prices further.

Until Walmart put everyone out of business the poor paid more because they bought things in close by stores that charged more than chains. They gave them charge accounts and it was convenient and they didn’t know any better. I used to stock those stores and order for them. My job was to fill it up for the 1st of the month when checks came out and the next week then coast for the next two weeks. Then Walmart started selling Health and Beauty Aids and general merchandise cheaper than we could sell it wholesale. They sold it below cost to get people in and made it up elsewhere until they put everyone out of business and now they charge what they want to

 

[BCP1928]

Until Walmart put everyone out of business the poor paid more because they bought things in close by stores that charged more than chains. They gave them charge accounts and it was convenient and they didn’t know any better. I used to stock those stores and order for them. My job was to fill it up for the 1st of the month when checks came out and the next week then coast for the next two weeks. Then Walmart started selling Health and Beauty Aids and general merchandise cheaper than we could sell it wholesale. They sold it below cost to get people in and made it up elsewhere until they put everyone out of business and now they charge what they want to

And you call that a free market?

 

[BPPLEE]

If it's so great here why did you have to take two jobs? Who told you it was better to have to take two jobs than to have one that could support you? Is having only one job a privilege you have to earn? Who do you have to earn it from?

You seem to think people are entitled to a certain things and to work at their convenience and have a job that accomadates them. You are not entitled to anything but life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The pursuit, it’s not guaranteed you have to earn it

 

[BPPLEE]

And you call that a free market?

I call it the way things are. You can’t do that with cars or steel it’s called dumping but nobody stopped Walmart and everyone loved the prices

 

[BCP1928]

You seem to think people are entitled to a certain things and to work at their convenience and have a job that accomadates them.

No, I do not think that. Real pay deserves real work. But real work deserves real pay. It is, or should be, a two way deal.

You are not entitled to anything but life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The pursuit, it’s not guaranteed you have to earn it.

Basically, you have bought into a system where all you get from being exploited is a sense of moral virtue.

 

[JustOneWay]

You are not entitled to anything but life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

This is not true. This is a lie, and has been since it was first written. Sure, those words sound good but the truth is many Americans are not entitled to pursue their happiness.

 

[BPPLEE]

No, I do not think that. Real pay deserves real work. But real work deserves real pay. It is, or should be, a two way deal.

Basically, you have bought into a system where all you get from being exploited is a sense of moral virtue.

I have plenty. You haven’t seen my house or my cars or my bank accounts and I have a job that pays well I work 3 and 1/2 days a week and have everything I want. You have bought into the idea that someone owes you something and people are entitled.
I could have went on full disability in 2008 but I’m not disabled and the last thing I want is to sit at home and wait on a check and settle for less
Did it ever occur to you that maybe I enjoy working?

 

[BPPLEE]

This is not true. This is a lie, and has been since it was first written. Sure, those words sound good but the truth is many Americans are not entitled to pursue their happiness.

Oh yeah I forgot. That’s what the Democrats are for, to make everyone happy

 

[rjs330]

Yeah, we're loyal, upstanding patriotic Americans. We don't want universal health care, paid time off, child care, family leave, good public transport, decent public schools, cheap higher Ed, nor none of that commie stuff, 'cause we got boot straps to lift ourself up. Anyway, what happens when you get suckered in by those give-aways is that the working class generally gets a bigger piece of the pie, and we certainly don't want that here.

Many don't. If you want that you might as well move to Norway.

By the way I love pie. One of my favorite deserts.

1. Universal healthcare- many Americans don't want it

2. Paid time off- great benefits. Plenty of jobs have that. It's an incentive to work there.

3. Child care- all for it for the poor if we can requiring them to work or go to school

4. Family leave- like the idea within reason.

5. Public transport- already have it

6. Good public schools- already have it it's the lousy educational culture that needs work

7. Cheaper higher ed.-all for it. How are you you going to convince your liberal friends who run it to lower their costs?

 

[rjs330]

But why should they make that money at all? If a job is important enough to get a person to do it that person should be paid enough to live on. If the business cannot afford that it should go out of business.

Why? Not every job is meant to live on. Most of those jobs are part time jobs meant for young workers as entry level or as supplement income for those who don't want to work full time. No one works full time for $7 an hour. A teenager doesn't need to be paid enough to live on. That's not why they are working. But even teens rarely earn that little these days.

 

[BCP1928]

I was going to answer that in detail but because most of it is fantasy, I'll ask you this instead:

Do you think an employer who gives you a job is doing you a favor?

 

[rjs330]

For peanuts.

Ive raised four kids and have 12 grandkids. Some of whom are teens. So I've been around a lot of teens. Some are lazy. Some are not. A great many are, don't know what hard work is. Others are willing to work. But they aren't working earn money to live on. They are working to earn extra cash to do things they want to do. And there are plenty u of jobs out there that pay far more than $7 an hour. I mean even working at Subway pays more than that.

 

[BPPLEE]

I was going to answer that in detail but because most of it is fantasy, I'll ask you this instead:

Do you think an employer who gives you a job is doing you a favor?

Who are you asking? I never asked for any favors I had to earn everything I got

 

[rjs330]

Step one in thr prosperity gospel thinking. If you're poor it's because you sin and it's punishment.

Nope, diametrically opposed to the property gospel. Jesus didn't come to make you rich. He came to save your soul.

With lack of wisdom comes consequences. With making poor decisions comes consequences. How is it you do not know this? It's a natural part of life.

Imagine if suddenly all those lazy poor people suddenly all went to school and got better training, and experience.

That's a good start. But they still need to lay aside the foolish decisions. Otherwise they will just fritter away the new found dough.

pray, how would that solve ANYTHING? what jobs are they going to take? Its not as though there are actually a lot of good paying jobs and just getting the training is gonna solve your problems. All the good jobs are take already. There's no option for them. American society needs people to take those crap jobs because they need to get done. But they are unwilling to pay a decent wage

Sorry that makes no sense. America needs poor people so they can work crap jobs? You obviously have no idea how the economy works. All the good jobs are already taken? Are you not aware as the economy expands more jobs are created?

Just how many highly educated and trained people are working those crap jobs? You are crying about people needing to go to school and get better educated. That it ought to be free etc. well what are all those educated people who got that free education going to do if there aren't any jobs? Why do want a free education for all then?

Why shouldn't they be? It seems hilarious that America even HAS a problem with poverty given the wealth held within. Like talk about poorly managed.

Exactly, that's why they need to make better decisions. They shouldn't have a problem unless there are other circumstances such as disabilities and such. There's plenty to be had here if you are willing to work for it.

Bachelors of science and bachelor's of commerce.
Mid late 20s. Few years. Nothing wrong with an apartment.

Wait few years, keep at it and they will be doing well. If apartments are fine why bring it up?

 

[Larniavc]

That's how the law of supply and demand works.

That's how ghettoes work. People can't escape and the area ends up like Oakland.

 

[Larniavc]

Not every job is meant to live on.

They should be. The world would be a better place.

 

[Larniavc]

Ive raised four kids and have 12 grandkids. Some of whom are teens. So I've been around a lot of teens. Some are lazy. Some are not. A great many are, don't know what hard work is. Others are willing to work. But they aren't working earn money to live on. They are working to earn extra cash to do things they want to do. And there are plenty u of jobs out there that pay far more than $7 an hour. I mean even working at Subway pays more than that.

If a business cannot afford to pay an adult enough to live on by working 37.5 hours a week they should go out of business.

 

[BCP1928]

Oh yeah I forgot. That’s what the Democrats are for, to make everyone happy

Not a bad goal, really.

 

[BCP1928]

That's how ghettoes work. People can't escape and the area ends up like Oakland.

That's their own fault. If they had made wise lifestyle choices they could escape.