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A Republican ideal, work until you die

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OK. That's a narrative I'm not telling so I'm not having it both ways.

Or are you worried that hard working motivated illegal immigrants are going to take good paying jobs away from lazy entitled Americans who don't want to work?
It doesn’t affect my job so I have nothing to worry about.
I’ve seen illegal immigrants who are very hard working but I understand the concern that they will cause lower wages so I see some of both sides of the argument.
 
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That's the kind of thing that those of us on "The Left" don't know either.
@iluvatar5150 after I saw your post I did some research and I don’t understand the decision not to participate
 
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@iluvatar5150 after I saw your post I did some research and I don’t understand the decision not to participate
It’s all politics. Some of it was balking at provisions of Obamacare specifically, some of it was balking at any sort of federal mandate, some of it was not wanting to extend benefits to the wrong people. It seems that some on the right are finally coming around to the fact that some poor folks are their people, too.
 
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It’s all politics. Some of it was balking at provisions of Obamacare specifically, some of it was balking at any sort of federal mandate, some of it was not wanting to extend benefits to the wrong people. It seems that some on the right are finally coming around to the fact that some poor folks are their people, too.
We just appropriated over a billion on prisons. While it is needed it seems like they could afford 10% of the Medicaid expansion
 
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If 65% of working adult Americans cannot afford 500$ of unexpected expenditures, the picture of a wealthy nation is a bit shattered.

Not to mention that if the next US recession will correlate to the yield curve inversion chart, it will be more serious than the most of the previous US recessions.

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Chart explanation: the grey columns are recessions, red is the yield curve inversion before each recession.
 
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Honestly that is what this opinion piece advocates. No retirement. Not no mandatory retirement, which I'm OK with. No retirement at all.
They are working towards that goal.

Republicans Call for Retirement Age Hike in Clash With Biden​


The Republican Study Committee, which comprises about 80% of House Republicans, called for the Social Security eligibility age to be tied to life expectancy in its fiscal 2025 budget proposal. It also suggests reducing benefits for top earners who aren’t near retirement, including a phase-out of auxiliary benefits for the highest earners.

CURRENT LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR MEN IN AMERICA IS 77 YEARS. This is working until you are expected to die.

This is what republicans want for the elderly....work until you are expected to die.
 
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They are working towards that goal.

Republicans Call for Retirement Age Hike in Clash With Biden​


The Republican Study Committee, which comprises about 80% of House Republicans, called for the Social Security eligibility age to be tied to life expectancy in its fiscal 2025 budget proposal. It also suggests reducing benefits for top earners who aren’t near retirement, including a phase-out of auxiliary benefits for the highest earners.

CURRENT LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR MEN IN AMERICA IS 77 YEARS. This is working until you are expected to die.

This is what republicans want for the elderly....work until you are expected to die.
Not many people can work until they’re 77. I’m shooting for 70.
Republicans could lose a lot of votes if they pursue this
 
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Not many people can work until they’re 77. I’m shooting for 70.
Republicans could lose a lot of votes if they pursue this
They are pursuing it. It is in their budget.

However, I do not believe that they are calling for making the retirement age to be the same as life expectancy - but that was funny IMO. I believe the measure wants to raise the current retirement age of 67 in relation to their perceived thought that the life expediency rate has been rising.
Regardless, they want to raise the retirement age, and this will backfire, just as you said.
 
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But why should they make that money at all? If a job is important enough to get a person to do it that person should be paid enough to live on. If the business cannot afford that it should go out of business.
Or if the person doesn't believe they're making enough to live on when they're making that amount per hour, they should find a different job. If enough people can find better paying jobs and decide not to work for the business that only pays $7.15 an hour, then it will indeed go out of business. But there are obviously enough people with low enough skills that are willing to take it.

I've been working for the election office during election years. I've worked 8 different elections so far, and each time it paid $8.50 per hour. It will be the same for the 3 elections scheduled for this year. I'm willing to do it. So are the 400 other poll workers here.
 
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If enough people can find better paying jobs and decide not to work for the business that only pays $7.15 an hour,
Not if you live in one of the many, many regions of America where the entire regions has criminally low wages and you can't afford to move away?
 
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Not if you live in one of the many, many regions of America where the entire regions has criminally low wages and you can't afford to move away?
If those entire regions had those low wages, then prices for things in those regions would have to drop since nobody could afford to buy things otherwise. That's how the law of supply and demand works.
 
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Not if you live in one of the many, many regions of America where the entire regions has criminally low wages and you can't afford to move away?
Then you do what I did, work two jobs.
 
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If those entire regions had those low wages, then prices for things in those regions would have to drop since nobody could afford to buy things otherwise. That's how the law of supply and demand works.
Yes, but only if it is in force. Free markets are great, if you can find them.
 
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Yes, but only if it is in force. Free markets are great, if you can find them.
What I mean is that if a region has mostly low paying jobs, then the places that sell things, or rent out apartments, or sell homes won't be charging as much. They couldn't. If they did anyway, they'd have to go out of business.
That's why you can go to somewhere like San Francisco and get great paying jobs, but then have to pay thousands each month for a one bedroom apartment. Where I live, wages are lower, and therefore so are rent prices.
 
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Yes, but only if it is in force. Free markets are great, if you can find them.
Before Walmart drove everyone out of business the stores that made the most money were in the poorest communities. If you were going to open a small store or grocery store you wanted it there. They bought everything from right there and didn’t notice that they could travel a few miles and save a massive amount of money.
Things have changed. They go to Walmart and Dollar General now
 
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Okay then, move there.
Why should I have to? Mind you, there would be benefits: universal health care, better education, more PTO, decent public transport, and on and on, all things we could have here. Why don't we?
 
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Why should I have to? Mind you, there would be benefits: universal health care, better education, more PTO, decent public transport, and on and on, all things we could have here. Why don't we?
If it’s so great why didn’t you move? It’s your choice
 
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If those entire regions had those low wages, then prices for things in those regions would have to drop since nobody could afford to buy things otherwise. That's how the law of supply and demand works.
That's already happened. A lot of stuff sold in poorer areas is still fairly cheap relative to more affluent areas - or more precisely, the products themselves are priced similarly between the two areas, but the poor area only has access to cheap products, while the affluent area has access to expensive luxury goods on top of that.

But prices won't drop below a certain level, because it still costs money to produce goods (typically outside the region) and if consumers can't support the business, the business will just close rather than dropping prices further.
 
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