Just to bring the Israel/Palestinian war into perspective.

[Vambram]

Netanyahu believes extinction of 3.2 million is the only way yo stop 30,000 Hamas.

Netanyahu is not attempting to have Israel bring the Gazans to extinction.

 

[Always in His Presence]

How does Israel negotiate peace when the Palestinian leadership states:

Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel“The state will come from resistance, not negotiation. Liberation first, then statehood. Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” he said in a speech. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land. We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation, and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel… We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone. Israel has no right to be in Jerusalem.”

The Palestinians do NOT want negotiations they want the Jews to die.

Note this:

A new study of Palestinian textbooks finds that Palestinian children are being taught to glorify and value terrorism and violence. The study, called "Palestinian Elementary School Curriculum 2016–17: Radicalization and Revival of the PLO Program," was conducted by the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (in Jerusalem) and can be found here.​

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Or here:

A video posted by a Jordanian-Palestinian teacher on Facebook shows his young daughter holding a large knife and declaring, “I want to stab a Jew,” the watchdog group MEMRI reported, amid an ongoing surge of stabbings and other terror attacks by Palestinians on Israelis.​

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Abdulhaleem Abuesha, a teacher in the Madaba refugee camp in Jordan, posted the clip on Friday. MEMRI translated and highlighted it on Tuesday.​

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After his daughter Rahf, standing in front of the refrigerator in the kitchen, declares her desire to stab a Jew, Abuesha asks, “Why do you want to stab the Jew?”​

 

[perplexed]

Should the Allies not have carpet bombed Nazi cities?

??? Are you aware it did not really reduce production because they enslaved so many people ?

 

[Always in His Presence]

??? Are you aware it did not really reduce production because they enslaved so many people ?

??? Are you aware that I am not talking about production, but the tactic of razing a city to the ground as part of warfare?

 

[perplexed]

??? Are you aware that I am not talking about production, but the tactic of razing a city to the ground as part of warfare?

??? The intent behind this was to reduce the production of tanks and warplanes and to demoralize the population.

There was little reduction in production because of slave labor

Actions that demoralize a sane population are not relevant to a death cult like Hamas.

 

[DaisyDay]

Netanyahu is not attempting to have Israel bring the Gazans to extinction.

Rumor has it that Netanyahu wants the Arab Gazans to work in the diamond mines in the Congo. Also that he with India plans to build the Ben Gurion Canal project through Gaza to connect the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea and bypass the Egyptian Suez Canal.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Rumor has it that Netanyahu wants the Arab Gazans to work in the diamond mines in the Congo. Also that he with India plans to build the Ben Gurion Canal project through Gaza to connect the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea and bypass the Egyptian Suez Canal.

I heard that he actually wants them to be hosts and hostesses on Disney cruises.

Rumors are such fun!

 

[rjs330]

I heard that he actually wants them to be hosts and hostesses on Disney cruises.

Rumors are such fun!

I heard he was going to ship them all to Norway.

 

[rambot]

Should the Allies not have carpet bombed Nazi cities?

Without a trace of irony.

 

[rambot]

1) How many Israeli Children are CURRENTLY at a dangerous level of malnutrition? (between 15-30% in northern gaza)
2) How many Israeli children have been killed through this? (7700 Gazan children)
3) What percentage of Israel has been destroyed by Hamas? (50-61% of Gazan buildings)


It's weird that you think think "perspective" requires us to travel back 80years and not just take half a second and see what's happenning to Gazan children.

List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel in 2023 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

• November 13–22, 2023: Additional 1000 rockets and mortar shells launched at Israel, amounting to more than 10,500 since the beginning of October, with the rate of failed launches that fell in the Gaza Strip and the sea back to 10%.

10,500 rocket attacks on Israel in less than 60 days. Rocket launch sites based in schools, Hospitals and neighborhoods -

Read here additionally -

Rocket & Mortar Attacks Against Israel by Date

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Every one of those attacks were on civilian population centers - hospitals, homes, schools, market places -

The Palestinians have been offered and rejected a two state solution

How many times did Palestinians reject two-state solutions?

Answer (1 of 26): Since 1922 Levantine Arabs have rejected all “Two State Solutions” offered. The TransJordan Memorandum being the first, in which the League of Nations offered them the eastern 3/4s of the Mandate for Palestine Mandatory, is they chose to become the LON mandated People there, the...

www.quora.com

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They do not want peace - they want the destruction and elimination of the Jews -

Doctrine of Hamas

www.wilsoncenter.org

Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel​

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“The state will come from resistance, not negotiation. Liberation first, then statehood. Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north,” he said in a speech. “There will be no concession on any inch of the land. We will never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation, and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel… We will free Jerusalem inch by inch, stone by stone. Israel has no right to be in Jerusalem.”​

“Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. (that is the whole of Israel)​

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They have been offered a two state solution numerous times - always rejected - they don't want compromise - they don't want peace - they want the destruction of Israel.

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Dare I ask: Did you bother to read and understand the arguments why Palestinians have rejected those other offers throughout history?

 

[Hazelelponi]

In everything hamas does, Israel should return it 30× worse. At least.

That's nonsensical.

The objective is to do what is actually just. And that is to completely remove Hamas from power, by either jailing or killing them if they won't willingly surrender.

There are approximately 1,500 people this includes.

The problem is Hamas builds weapons bunkers and hiding places under schools, hospitals, apartments etc.

Hamas does this so they have human shields or just dead bodies to parade in front of the media. The last people on earth Hamas cares about are Palestinians.

So there's many civilian casualties - which IS sad. That's also by the design of Hamas, not the IDF.

All we can do that is right to do is to support Israel in this war, until Hamas is dealt with.

So long as Hamas is left there will never be peace. They have said so themselves.

 

[Landon Caeli]

That's nonsensical.

The objective is to do what is actually just. And that is to completely remove Hamas from power, by either jailing or killing them if they won't willingly surrender.

There are approximately 1,500 people this includes.

The problem is Hamas builds weapons bunkers and hiding places under schools, hospitals, apartments etc.

Hamas does this so they have human shields or just dead bodies to parade in front of the media. The last people on earth Hamas cares about are Palestinians.

So there's many civilian casualties - which IS sad. That's also by the design of Hamas, not the IDF.

All we can do that is right to do is to support Israel in this war, until Hamas is dealt with.

So long as Hamas is left there will never be peace. They have said so themselves.

You're interested in what is just, I'm interested in teaching hard lessons, using hard methods. There's a slight difference, I'll admit.

 

[rambot]

In everything hamas does, Israel should return it 30× worse. At least.

Why? Do you think that's going to stop Hamas or embolden a new generation of hatred?

 

[rambot]

How does Israel negotiate peace when the Palestinian leadership states:



The Palestinians do NOT want negotiations they want the Jews to die.

Note this:

A new study of Palestinian textbooks finds that Palestinian children are being taught to glorify and value terrorism and violence. The study, called "Palestinian Elementary School Curriculum 2016–17: Radicalization and Revival of the PLO Program," was conducted by the Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (in Jerusalem) and can be found here.​

​

Or here:

A video posted by a Jordanian-Palestinian teacher on Facebook shows his young daughter holding a large knife and declaring, “I want to stab a Jew,” the watchdog group MEMRI reported, amid an ongoing surge of stabbings and other terror attacks by Palestinians on Israelis.​

​

Abdulhaleem Abuesha, a teacher in the Madaba refugee camp in Jordan, posted the clip on Friday. MEMRI translated and highlighted it on Tuesday.​

​

After his daughter Rahf, standing in front of the refrigerator in the kitchen, declares her desire to stab a Jew, Abuesha asks, “Why do you want to stab the Jew?”​

Seen plenty of examples where Israelis to Palestinians with great contempt and a racist regard.

Isn't that also objectionable?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Seen plenty of examples where Israelis to Palestinians with great contempt and a racist regard.

Isn't that also objectionable?

Show me where in the Israeli Constitution or Leadership positions it calls for murdering the Palestinians - equivalent to what I linked to from the Palestinian leadership that I have already shown and we can talk...

 

[rambot]

Show me where in the Israeli Constitution or Leadership positions it calls for murdering the Palestinians - equivalent to what I linked to from the Palestinian leadership that I have already shown and we can talk...

Why? Because their common citizens don't count when they're racist?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why? Because their common citizens don't count when they're racist?

Sorry - the Palestinians are at the height of racism - they are openly calling for the murder of an entire race of people. Not enslavement, not subjection, not taking land - but killing every man, woman and child.

How do you negotiate with a person whose sole purpose and goal is to see you dead?

Why have there been 30,000 deaths? Because the murderers and hostage holders are in the middle of civilian neighborhoods - they use their own people as Human shields. They fire rockets from schools and hospitals - they bunker under neighborhoods.

There are supposedly over 3,000,000 Palestinians and less than 30,000 Hamas - that is a ratio of 100 to 1 - it the 3million did not support the 30k - the answer is simple - remove them from power, not allow them to keep going.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Why? Do you think that's going to stop Hamas or embolden a new generation of hatred?

It's ignorant and disrespectful that they don't already fear Israel, as they should. So as far as lessons go, that fear needs to be instilled into their hearts, so that their children's children hold that fear that they ought to have.

...And if they can't fear Israel, then let the lessons continue on until the end, or forever.

...30x worse. Everytime. All the time.

 

[rambot]

It's ignorant and disrespectful that they don't already fear Israel, as they should.

Wow. There's seems a tinge of racism there.

Also, I thought Israel is supposed to be terrified of Hamas because of all the violence they perpetrate?

So as far as lessons go, that fear needs to be instilled into their hearts, so that their children's children hold that fear that they ought to have.
...And if they can't fear Israel, then let the lessons continue on until the end, or forever.
...30x worse. Everytime. All the time.

Wow.

That is a truly awful and mysanthropic position.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Wow. There's seems a tinge of racism there.

Also, I thought Israel is supposed to be terrified of Hamas because of all the violence they perpetrate?



Wow.

That is a truly awful and mysanthropic position.

That's the unfortunate reality of life sometimes. Sad as it is that there are no other options available.