Of course you know about the religious right...

[The Barbarian]

I can't agree that ministers are equivalent to the mentally ill. I'm just asking if you would use the same standards for ministers as for transvestites. If not, it's probably not protecting the children that matters to you.

I would not keep children from someone teaching them Christian values. If that person wanted to be alone with some of them that would be a red flag.

So would you apply the same criteria for transvestites, which seem to be less likely to molest kids?

Saying I don’t want to protect children is disruptive behavior and against forum rules.

No one said that here. Why would you suppose they did?

Ministers and Catholic priests aren't more likely to be pedophiles. Pedophiles are likely to become priests, ministers, teachers, tutors, coaches, therapists, counselors and several other professions that puts them around children in a position of trust and even authority.

True. Which is maybe why transvestites are less of a danger to kids.

Hmm... "don't bother people, unless they impose on you." Sounds good to me. But then I'm a Christian and a libertarian, so it's kind of an axiom

They are imposing on society at large though, that's the whole problem.

Gee, they haven't imposed on me for... well, they've never imposed on me. How did they impose on you?

What about the rest of society?

I haven't seen any reports of transvestites forcing other people to do anything but leave them alone. What do you have?

 

[ralliann]

Well, it certainly started out that way. God did make man and woman for each other.

However, marriage is legally, in most modern societies, a contract, unrelated to religious considerations.

As I mentioned earlier, government has no business in the issue of religious marriage. It does have an interest in property, legal next of kin, children, and so on. It has no business imposing or prohibiting religious standards for marriage.

I don't know where you are drawing lines here, but all the above are true for scriptural Marriage.
It set the children apart as to their father. Today, with DNA testing it may seem odd, but the marriage contract set the husband legally as the father for all the things you said here. As did ither nations and people.

 

[The Barbarian]

The very small percentage of priests who have abused others aren't actually guilty of pedophilia, it's homosexual predation.

First, priests molest kids about as much as the male population generally. So it's not something special about priests. It just means they are human. Second, the difference is that pedophiles tend to be indifferent to the sex of their victims, while homosexual predators are not. I don't know what the relative numbers are for priests. But I wouldn't be surprised if you were right or if you were wrong. I just don't know.

No, but transvestism is a sexual fetish that doesn't need to be taught to children.

Right. But it probably doesn't hurt them to know about it, given that it's pretty common in film and television. Mrs. Doubtfire, Bosom Buddies, etc.

 

[The Barbarian]

I don't know where you are drawing lines here, but all the above are true for scriptural Marriage.

Yep.

It set the children apart as to their father. Today, with DNA testing it may seem odd, but the marriage contract set the husband legally as the father for all the things you said here. As did ither nations and people.

This is true for "marriages" done at the courthouse with no religious content whatever. I put in the quotation marks, because I agree that marriage is (or at least should be) a religious matter, aside from property, next of kin, and child issues. In some circumstances, it is, in such things as religious courts, where the participants have legally agreed to be bound by such decisions.

 

[The Barbarian]

You're absolutely right. Let's keep it that way. Let's also respect people who do not want to partake in other people's relationships if they find it immoral.

Absolutely.

 

[The Barbarian]

Essentially, the Churches, both Catholics and Orthodox, have dogmas that the faithful must believe. They are non-negotiable.

But not everything is dogma. For example, Catholics can think the Earth is flat, deny evolution, regard the days of creation as literal days and so on. Or they can regard the Earth as round, acknowledge evolution, and accept that the days of creation are not literal days. I believe it is also that way in the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

 

[BPPLEE]

I can't agree that ministers are equivalent to the mentally ill. I'm just asking if you would use the same standards for ministers as for transvestites. If not, it's probably not protecting the children that matters to you.


So would you apply the same criteria for transvestites, which seem to be less likely to molest kids?


No one said that here. Why would you suppose they did?


True. Which is maybe why transvestites are less of a danger to kids.

Hmm... "don't bother people, unless they impose on you." Sounds good to me. But then I'm a Christian and a libertarian, so it's kind of an axiom


Gee, they haven't imposed on me for... well, they've never imposed on me. How did they impose on you?

I haven't seen any reports of transvestites forcing other people to do anything but leave them alone. What do you have?

It’s OK not to want a drag queen principal - Washington Examiner

Parents naturally object to sexuality in their children's classroom, but the media portray them as the bad guys instead of the offenders.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

There seems to be a pattern of transgender people being in possession of child (banned word)
Just Google “Transgender Child (banned word) and look at the results. (PM if you need help with the banned word)

 

[RileyG]

But not everything is dogma. For example, Catholics can think the Earth is flat, deny evolution, regard the days of creation as literal days and so on. Or they can regard the Earth as round, acknowledge evolution, and accept that the days of creation are not literal days. I believe it is also that way in the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

Actually, the RCC accepts evolution, the earth being round, etc. Although, you're right, they are not dogmas.

 

[RileyG]

First, priests molest kids about as much as the male population generally. So it's not something special about priests. It just means they are human. Second, the difference is that pedophiles tend to be indifferent to the sex of their victims, while homosexual predators are not. I don't know what the relative numbers are for priests. But I wouldn't be surprised if you were right or if you were wrong. I just don't know.


Right. But it probably doesn't hurt them to know about it, given that it's pretty common in film and television. Mrs. Doubtfire, Bosom Buddies, etc.

#1. Not true. Very small percentage have actually committed pedophilia. Most of the priest sex crimes was homosexual predation. Although you are right, most pedophiles are males, but most of their victims are females. Most priests are not guilty, to say otherwise is untrue.

#2. That's drag. Fun. Not transvestism which is a sexual fetish.

 

[ozso]

True. Which is maybe why transvestites are less of a danger to kids.

They a different kind of danger.

Gee, they haven't imposed on me for... well, they've never imposed on me. How did they impose on you?

You're continually arguing that if one isn't personally affected by a situation they should igor it.

I haven't seen any reports of transvestites forcing other people to do anything but leave them alone. What do you have?

A bunch of news stories about companies putting trans ideology in place, and people losing their jobs for not adhering to perfectly.

The latest was a 90 year old who had been volunteering for the multiple sclerosis society for 60 years, getting sacked for asking questions about trans pronouns.

 

[RileyG]

They a different kind of danger.

You're continually arguing that if one isn't personally affected by a situation they should igor it.

A bunch of news stories about companies putting trans ideology in place, and people losing their jobs for not adhering to perfectly.

The latest was a 90 year old who had being volunteering for the multiple sclerosis society for 60 years, getting sacked for asking questions about trans pronouns.

How do they expect a 90 year old to understand trans ideology or the pro-noun game? SMH

 

[ozso]

And they don't want to be left alone, they want to be idolized.

 

[The Barbarian]

They a different kind of danger.

Which is...?
Gee, they haven't imposed on me for... well, they've never imposed on me. How did they impose on you?

You're continually arguing that if one isn't personally affected by a situation they should igor it.

If they've never imposed on you, what makes you think they do it?

A bunch of news stories about companies putting trans ideology in place, and people losing their jobs for not adhering to perfectly.

But you can't show us a checkable source? I think I know why.

The latest was a 90 year old who had been volunteering for the multiple sclerosis society for 60 years, getting sacked for asking questions about trans pronouns.

It's not clear what she said or did. Trans people used to just get fired without any explanation, so this probably feels to some folks the way segregationists felt when affirmative action was implemented in the Nixon years.

Anyway, unless the lady was insulting or aggressive, it seems wrong for her to be treated like that. Do you have any of people actually losing a job?

 

[The Barbarian]

And they don't want to be left alone, they want to be idolized.

The few I've encountered seemed happy to just be treated like everyone else. But they were on college campuses, which might have skewed the sample. Do you have any evidence for your claim?

 

[Bradskii]

Essentially, the Churches, both Catholics and Orthodox, have dogmas that the faithful must believe. They are non-negotiable.

According to the church. Not according to the laity. And if the laity asks God for guidance, who's advice takes preference? God or the church?

 

[The Barbarian]

#1. Not true. Very small percentage have actually committed pedophilia. Most of the priest sex crimes was homosexual predation. Although you are right, most pedophiles are males, but most of their victims are females. Most priests are not guilty, to say otherwise is untrue.

In fact, the numbers show that priests are no more likely than other males to be pedophiles. The vast majority of priests have no such inclinations. Attraction to pubescent kids has a different name, but I'm not convinced it's essentially different.

 

[Bradskii]

Pedophiles are likely to become priests...

So you are literally saying that priests are more likely to be paedophiles?

 

[The Barbarian]

Actually, the RCC accepts evolution, the earth being round, etc. Although, you're right, they are not dogmas.

Yes. There is no requirement to have any particular opinions on those things, in the Catholic Church. I would say that the majority of Catholics accept a round Earth, Heliocentrism, evolution, and so on, but I know Catholics who don't accept all of those things.

 

[Bradskii]

The very small percentage of priests who have abused others aren't actually guilty of pedophilia, it's homosexual predation.

I'm surprised you didn't say '...just homosexual predation.'

Rape a child and you're a child rapist. Whatever the sex of the victim is. Whatever personal predilections the rapist has. Nothing changes that fact.

 

[The Barbarian]

So you are literally saying that priests are more likely to be paedophiles?

That's false. In fact, priests are less likely to be pedophiles than some other ministers.

In reality, the likelihood is that more children are sexually abused in Protestant churches than in Catholic churches. Regardless, the abuse of one child is one child too many. Instead of pointing fingers, we should be learning from each other and working together to bring an end to this epidemic that permeates all of Christendom. In order to do this, Protestants are going to have to accept the fact that we have many more similarities than differences with our Catholic brothers and sisters when it comes to how we have failed to protect and serve God’s children.

'Spotlight': It’s not just a Catholic problem

Protestants can learn much from a film about sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.

religionnews.com

This, from Australia:
Abstract
Contrary to findings of previous research regarding the influence of religion on nonsexual criminality, for this sample of sex offenders, religiosity was linked to a higher number of sex offense victims and more convictions for sex offenses. Those sex offenders who reported regular church attendance, a belief in supernatural punishment, and religion as important in their daily lives had more known victims, younger victims, and more convictions for sex offenses than the sex offenders who reported irregular or no church attendance and no or less intense allegiance to religious beliefs and practices.

Religious Affiliations Among Adult Sexual Offenders | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov