Of course you know about the religious right...

[The Barbarian]

What is your evidence that they don’t want to influence children?

Since you've given us no reason to believe that they do, it's kinda pointless for you to want me to prove a negative. But even if no one can show your belief to be false, you still fail if you can't show it's true.

Again, given the evidence that suggests that ministers are much more likely than transvestites to be pedophiles, why would you not take at least the same levels of protection with transvestites and ministers?

 

[The Barbarian]

Not all people who molest children are pedophiles. Pedophiles are only interested in those who haven’t reached puberty.
So your statistics don’t really mean much

Let's leave Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan out of this for now.

Is it your claim that ministers are more likely to be pedophiles, but transvestites are more likely to prey on teens? If so, can you show some evidence for that? If not, why did you bring it up?

 

[Bradskii]

I’m not Catholic so I don’t know

I don't know what your denomination is but it applies to all Christians. You either follow the teachings of your denomination to the letter or you have the ocassional internal discussion about any dichotomy between your personal beliefs and the dogma. I'd really be astonished if you didn't know people who went through that.

How does one decide? Well, in my experience, from those I have discussed this with, they pray. And the answer they get isn't always the same as the answer someone else might get.

 

[BPPLEE]

Let's leave Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan out of this for now.

Is it your claim that ministers are more likely to be pedophiles, but transvestites are more likely to prey on teens? If so, can you show some evidence for that? If not, why did you bring it up?

I’m not going to play pick your perversion. You do what you want with your children, I’ll take precautions with any I’m responsible for

 

[BPPLEE]

Since you've given us no reason to believe that they do, it's kinda pointless for you to want me to prove a negative. But even if no one can show your belief to be false, you still fail if you can't show it's true.

Again, given the evidence that suggests that ministers are much more likely than transvestites to be pedophiles, why would you not take at least the same levels of protection with transvestites and ministers?

I didn’t fall I’m not trying to prove anything. I told you what I would look for in ministers and if we’re talking about children that I am responsible for I would keep mentally ill people away from them too

 

[ozso]

Is pedophilia more common in transvestites than in the general population?

Since you've given us no reason to believe that they do, it's kinda pointless for you to want me to prove a negative. But even if no one can show your belief to be false, you still fail if you can't show it's true.

Again, given the evidence that suggests that ministers are much more likely than transvestites to be pedophiles, why would you not take at least the same levels of protection with transvestites and ministers?

The pedophile aspect is a red herring put out by the left. As if the only possible negative impact is sexual molestation. And if the children aren't being molested then no potential harm exists. The transexual community simply wants to mainstream their ideology. And indoctrinating children into it is a potentially effective long term achievement in reaching that goal. Considering how much the current and older generation is cheering on transexual ideology, how much more so will future generations who are being indoctrinated into it at a young age? This is the legacy the left wants to leave for future generations.

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't know what your denomination is but it applies to all Christians. You either follow the teachings of your denomination to the letter or you have the ocassional internal discussion about any dichotomy between your personal beliefs and the dogma. I'd really be astonished if you didn't know people who went through that.

How does one decide? Well, in my experience, from those I have discussed this with, they pray. And the answer they get isn't always the same as the answer someone else might get.

I’m not beholden to a denomination I have attended different ones, and non denominational churches.
I attend one now that I’m not a member of when I am able to go.
But there are some issues in scripture that are not up for debate.

 

[The Barbarian]

The pedophile aspect is a red herring put out by the left. As if the only possible negative impact is sexual molestation. And if the children aren't being molested then no potential harm exists.

It seems to me that sexually molesting a child is a much worse thing than letting them see a man in a dress. I suppose there are some people who think otherwise, and perhaps this is why they think transvestites pose a greater threat to children than ministers, even thought the evidence suggests that ministers are far more likely to be pedophiles than transvestites.

The transexual community simply wants to mainstream their ideology.

Which, I think, is the real fear. "Won't somebody please think of the children!' is just a red herring, it seems.

Considering how much the current and older generation is cheering on transexual ideology

I haven't cheered on transexual ideology since... well, really, I've never cheered it on. I don't care, actually, unless they bother me.

This is the legacy the left wants to leave for future generations.

Hmm... "don't bother people, unless they impose on you." Sounds good to me. But then I'm a Christian and a libertarian, so it's kind of an axiom for me.

 

[The Barbarian]

I didn’t fall I’m not trying to prove anything. I told you what I would look for in ministers and if we’re talking about children that I am responsible for I would keep mentally ill people away from them too

I can't agree that ministers are equivalent to the mentally ill. I'm just asking if you would use the same standards for ministers as for transvestites. If not, it's probably not protecting the children that matters to you.

 

[BPPLEE]

It seems to me that sexually molesting a child is a much worse thing than letting them see a man in a dress. I suppose there are some people who think otherwise, and perhaps this is why they think transvestites pose a greater threat to children than ministers, even thought the evidence suggests that ministers are far more likely to be pedophiles than transvestites.


Which, I think, is the real fear. "Won't somebody please think of the children!' is just a red herring, it seems.


I haven't cheered on transexual ideology since... well, really, I've never cheered it on. I don't care, actually, unless they bother me.

Hmm... "don't bother people, unless they impose on you." Sounds good to me. But then I'm a Christian and a libertarian, so it's kind of an axiom for me.

When they bother children it bothers me.
Other than that I don’t care what you wear or choose to do.

 

[BPPLEE]

I can't agree that ministers are equivalent to the mentally ill. I'm just asking if you would use the same standards for ministers as for transvestites. If not, it's probably not protecting the children that matters to you.

I would not keep children from someone teaching them Christian values. If that person wanted to be alone with some of them that would be a red flag.
Saying I don’t want to protect children is disruptive behavior and against forum rules. I would edit that post before someone reports it

 

[Bradskii]

But there are some issues in scripture that are not up for debate.

Which is just another way of saying that some are. Does that debate then make one less faithful a Christian?

 

[BPPLEE]

Which is just another way of saying that some are. Does that debate then make one less faithful a Christian?

It’s not my place to judge

Which is just another way of saying that some are. Does that debate then make one less faithful a Christian?

I’m not in the business of judging others, I have enough work to do on myself

 

[Bradskii]

It’s not my place to judge

Others in this thread seem not to have concerns about doing just that. You questioned my opinion as to why people don't always follow the teachings of their church, leading to them being judged. Good that the matter has been explained.

 

[RileyG]

Well, it certainly started out that way. God did make man and woman for each other.

However, marriage is legally, in most modern societies, a contract, unrelated to religious considerations.

As I mentioned earlier, government has no business in the issue of religious marriage. It does have an interest in property, legal next of kin, children, and so on. It has no business imposing or prohibiting religious standards for marriage.

You're absolutely right. Let's keep it that way. Let's also respect people who do not want to partake in other people's relationships if they find it immoral.

 

[RileyG]

It's somewhat naive to think that every Catholic is in lock step with every position that the church holds. People aren't sheep. If they have a moral problem then they don't check up and then say to themselves 'Ah, so that's what I should think.' If you're an adherent to dogma then so be it. But most people accept that their church is a guide and not a rule book. And even though they do their very best to conform to the teachings, in real life some faithful often reach a conclusion that in practical matters what they are taught and what their experience is in lived situations doesn't match.

They see couples who have been in loving relationships for many years. And they see that the sky hasn't fallen because of it. That there are no practical reasons for denying it. Except that God apparently doesn't want it. So what do the faithful do? They ask God for guidance.

How they then reach the conclusions they do is something you'll have to ask each of them. You can discuss what you think as regards their lack of faith while you're at it.

Essentially, the Churches, both Catholics and Orthodox, have dogmas that the faithful must believe. They are non-negotiable.

I don't think many gay "couples" are interested in monogamy or marriage based on my own observations, but that is a different can of worms.

 

[RileyG]

Is pedophilia more common in transvestites than in the general population?

No, but transvestism is a sexual fetish that doesn't need to be taught to children.

 

[ozso]

It seems to me that sexually molesting a child is a much worse thing than letting them see a man in a dress.

It goes further than just seeing a man in a dress.

I suppose there are some people who think otherwise, and perhaps this is why they think transvestites pose a greater threat to children than ministers, even thought the evidence suggests that ministers are far more likely to be pedophiles than transvestites.

Ministers and Catholic priests aren't more likely to be pedophiles. Pedophiles are likely to become priests, ministers, teachers, tutors, coaches, therapists, counselors and several other professions that puts them around children in a position of trust and even authority.

Which, I think, is the real fear. "Won't somebody please think of the children!' is just a red herring, it seems.

The transexual and the rest of the LGBQQIP2SAA+ community has made it abundantly clear they're out to reshape the way children think about them, and to mainstream their ideology. That goes without question. So really it's primarily a matter of whether or not the rest of society wants to support and promote it.

I haven't cheered on transexual ideology since... well, really, I've never cheered it on. I don't care, actually, unless they bother me.

Good old complacency.

Hmm... "don't bother people, unless they impose on you." Sounds good to me. But then I'm a Christian and a libertarian, so it's kind of an axiom

They are imposing on society at large though, that's the whole problem. It wasn't really much of a societal issue until they started imposing.

for me.

What about the rest of society?

 

[RileyG]

It goes further than just seeing a man in a dress.

Ministers and Catholic priests aren't more likely to be pedophiles. Pedophiles are likely to become priests, ministers, teachers, tutors, coaches, therapists, counselors and several other professions that puts them around children in a position of trust and even authority.

The transexual and the rest of the LGBQQIP2SAA+ community has made it abundantly clear they're out to reshape the way children think about them, and to mainstream their ideology. That goes without question. So really it's primarily a matter of whether or not you want to support it.

Good old complacency.

They are imposing on society at large though, that's the whole problem. It wasn't really much of a societal issue until they started imposing.

What about the rest of society?

The very small percentage of priests who have abused others aren't actually guilty of pedophilia, it's homosexual predation.

 

[BPPLEE]

Others in this thread seem not to have concerns about doing just that. You questioned my opinion as to why people don't always follow the teachings of their church, leading to them being judged. Good that the matter has been explained.

There was an atheist that posted that Trump is not a Christian but Biden is.
Trump has embarrassed himself when he has tried to speak about the Bible and his past lifestyle is not Christ like but if he claims to be a Christian, who is this person to judge that he is not?